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21 Jan 2008 07:05:38 AM |
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Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
On Jan 21, 2:59=A0am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
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If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
Choose wisely.
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29 Jan 2008 07:00:54 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:27:14 -0500, in alt.atheism
Gabriel <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:39:20 -0600, Free Lunch
<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:54:10 -0500, in alt.atheism
Gabriel <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in
<b6usp3tjmd6um10aphn6kb0t5628rn5304@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:49:59 +1100, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
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Since Einstein didn't believe in a personal God of retribution and that kind
of religion, that quote is not at all relevant for Christianity.
Science certainly doesn't need any religion in it.
Some here actually think that science in some cases is a religion and that
that's a bad thing. In fact I think you're one of them.
Actually science that analyzes God's creation around us to tell
us how it's working today can be a good thing. Macro evolution,
which is a religious belief disguised as science is really a
heretical attempt to reject God - it's not scientific as it
proposes beliefs that are not observable, testable or verifiable
- the tenets of true science.
I see that you have chosen to continue to bear false witness about
science.
Not about science:
Absolutely about science. You lie about science. You have proven that
time and again.
about macro evolution, which is not science:
That, of course, is a lie, too.
as they refer to things not once observed, verified or testable,
That, as you know, is another in a long string of lies that you have
told.
and dishonestly pass it off as fact.
Another lie that you have tried to inflict on us.
Actual scientists that don't fear getting blacklisted,
More lies and a general defamation of science. Your god must be
pitifully weak that you need to tell all of these lies.
or already have and so have nothing
more to fear from them, continue to point this very thing out.
Again you lie. Yes, you don't have any confidence in your god at all.
I must conclude that you are also lying to us about your
religious faith.
You would conclude that no matter what anyone told you, replacing
one rationalization with another.
You have demonstrated that you bear false witness, I conclude that you
do so because you don't really believe in your god, you only worship the
doctrines of your religion, but you know your religion is based on weak,
pitiable lies.
Abandon your heresies --- start to learn. Remember, Jesus condemned your
intentional ignorance.
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21 Jan 2008 01:41:42 PM |
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On Jan 21, 10:52=A0am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no other gods
before me!"
But free to do so anyway. =A0And when you do, and you die, he continues =
to
give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God.
You're deluding yourself, as usual.
You'll =A0have the same contact with gawd in death that you have in life:
none.
We call that =A0hell.
We call that reality.
Your funeral. Go for it. Don't blame me.
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21 Jan 2008 03:51:07 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 10:52 am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're deluding yourself, as usual.
You'll have the same contact with gawd in death that you have in life:
none.
We call that hell.
We call that reality.
Your funeral. Go for it. Don't blame me.
Enjoy your fantasy, dook.
Just try and be honest enough- in lieu of your not being smart enough- to
keep it to yourself.
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| User: "vernon O vernono@hereandthere" |
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21 Jan 2008 06:39:01 PM |
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"LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 10:52 am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're deluding yourself, as usual.
You'll have the same contact with gawd in death that you have in life:
none.
We call that hell.
We call that reality.
Your funeral. Go for it. Don't blame me.
Enjoy your fantasy, dook.
Just try and be honest enough- in lieu of your not being smart enough- to
keep it to yourself.
Atheist = uneducated, ALWAYS.
Ask Einstein.
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21 Jan 2008 06:49:47 PM |
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"vernon O" <vernono@hereandthere> wrote in message
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"LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 10:52 am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're deluding yourself, as usual.
You'll have the same contact with gawd in death that you have in life:
none.
We call that hell.
We call that reality.
Your funeral. Go for it. Don't blame me.
Enjoy your fantasy, dook.
Just try and be honest enough- in lieu of your not being smart enough- to
keep it to yourself.
Atheist = uneducated, ALWAYS.
*smirk*
Aggressive. Stupid. Condescending. That's the dumb ***** tri-fecta!
Next time show up with an argument.
Ask Einstein.
I did, and he says that you brainwashed fundamentalists are full of *****:
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that
exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of
human beings."~ Albert Einstein
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21 Jan 2008 11:22:02 PM |
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vernon O wrote:
"LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 10:52 am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're deluding yourself, as usual.
You'll have the same contact with gawd in death that you have in life:
none.
We call that hell.
We call that reality.
Your funeral. Go for it. Don't blame me.
Enjoy your fantasy, dook.
Just try and be honest enough- in lieu of your not being smart enough- to
keep it to yourself.
Atheist = uneducated, ALWAYS.
Ask Einstein.
Ask Bertrand Russell. Renowned philosopher who was invited to lecture in just
about every university in the USA. And a declared Atheist.
Grow up
Bob
Since evolution became fashionable, the glorification of Man has taken a new
form. We are told that evolution has been guided by one great Purpose: through
the millions of years when there were only slime, or trilobites, throughout
the ages of dinosaurs and giant ferns, of bees and wild flowers, God was
preparing the Great Climax. At last, in the fullness of time, He produced Man,
including such specimens as Nero and Caligula, Hitler and Mussolini, whose
transcendent glory justified the long painful process. For my part, I find
even eternal damnation less incredible, certainly less ridiculous, than this
lame and impotent conclusion which we are asked to admire as the supreme
effort of Omnipotence.
[Bertrand Russell]
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22 Jan 2008 11:10:49 AM |
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On Jan 21, 11:22=A0pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
vernon O wrote:
"LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fn344p02h75@enews5.newsguy.com...
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:303ad3db-7b4e-4f89-82ed-461cd4457c98@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com.=
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On Jan 21, 10:52 am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're deluding yourself, as usual.
You'll have the same contact with gawd in death that you have in li=
fe:
none.
We call that hell.
We call that reality.
Your funeral. =A0Go for it. =A0Don't blame me.
Enjoy your fantasy, dook.
Just try and be honest enough- in lieu of your not being smart enough-=
to
keep it to yourself.
Atheist =3D uneducated, ALWAYS.
Ask Einstein.
Ask Bertrand Russell. =A0Renowned philosopher who was invited to lecture i=
n just
about every university in the USA. =A0And a declared Atheist.
Bertrand Russell??? That guy!! Hey, to teach atheism is not to
demonstrate the lack of God almighty. Just to declare so without
support.
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21 Jan 2008 05:17:13 PM |
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On Jan 21, 3:51=A0pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 10:52 am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're deluding yourself, as usual.
You'll have the same contact with gawd in death that you have in life:=
none.
We call that hell.
We call that reality.
Your funeral. =A0Go for it. =A0Don't blame me.
Enjoy your fantasy, dook.
Just try and be honest enough- in lieu of your not being smart enough- to
keep it to yourself.
Your fantasy is that you won't have to stand before God in judgment at
the moment of your death. You're a foolish guy. Only you can help
yourself. I can't do it for you.
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| User: "LC" |
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21 Jan 2008 05:35:32 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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Your fantasy is that you won't have to stand before God in judgment at the
moment of your death.
Which God?
Oh...and please provide proof that She exists.
LC~ There's SO many to choose from!
"To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition."~ Woody Allen
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21 Jan 2008 05:45:05 PM |
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On Jan 21, 5:35=A0pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Your fantasy is that you won't have to stand before God in judgment at t=
he
moment of your death.
Which God?
Oh...and please provide proof that She exists.
That one that created the heavens and the earth. It's called the big
bang, and it will do you fools in.
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| User: "LC" |
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21 Jan 2008 06:41:38 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 5:35 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Your fantasy is that you won't have to stand before God in judgment at
the moment of your death.
Which God?
Oh...and please provide proof that She exists.
That one that created the heavens and the earth.
Ariel? Odin? Vishnu? Di Jun? I get so confused!
It's called the big bang,
Don't confuse your dogma with science.
and it will do you fools in.
I'd say the fool is the one that's wasting his time worshiping shadows and
paying off child molestor's fines.
LC~ Doesn't waste his time and money supporting terrorists and molestors
that hide behind mythical concepts and human fears.
"Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers."
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22 Jan 2008 11:05:17 AM |
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On Jan 21, 6:41=A0pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 5:35 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Your fantasy is that you won't have to stand before God in judgment at=
the moment of your death.
Which God?
Oh...and please provide proof that She exists.
That one that created the heavens and the earth.
Ariel? Odin? Vishnu? Di Jun? I get so confused!
You shouldn't. A person of average intelligence knows there is only
one almighty God. Said person would also know that none other so much
as made it out of the index of the mythology text book.
It's called the big bang,
Don't confuse your dogma with science.
Science is a creation of an almighty God.
and it will do you fools in.
I'd say the fool is the one that's wasting his time worshiping shadows and=
paying off child molestor's fines.
Well, you and I will both find out for sure who is wasting their time
when we die and stand before almighty God to answer for the things we
did in the flesh. I know what mine is.
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| User: "LC" |
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22 Jan 2008 11:30:52 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 6:41 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 5:35 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Your fantasy is that you won't have to stand before God in judgment
at the moment of your death.
Which God?
Oh...and please provide proof that She exists.
That one that created the heavens and the earth.
Ariel? Odin? Vishnu? Di Jun? I get so confused!
You shouldn't. A person of average intelligence knows there is only
one almighty God.
And yet, you appear unwilling or unable to provide proof of your particular
god.
Face it, dook, you're nothing but a mindless follower.
Had you been born in Afghanistan, you'd be an Islamacist.
Had you been born in ancient America, you'd be proclaiming your allegiance
to animist gods.
You get the picture.
Or not.
Said person would also know that none other so much as made it out of the
index of the mythology text book.
Repeat that in English, please.
It's called the big bang,
Don't confuse your dogma with science.
Science is a creation of an almighty God.
Really?
Cite?
Further, your particular cult has a pretty poor track record when it comes
to science. Why, look what the cross-dressing head of your cult wrote,
barely 15 years ago:
"At the time of Galileo the Church remained much more faithful to reason
than Galileo himself. The process against Galileo was reasonable and just".
~ Joseph Ratzinger, Corriere della Sera, March 30, 1990; 30 Dias, January
1993
You also might want to review this, you Luddite:
"Lecturers and students at a prestigious university in Rome want a planned
visit by the Pope to be cancelled as they object to his position on Galileo.
Pope Benedict XVI is to make a speech on Thursday at La Sapienza university.
Sixty-seven academics have signed a letter saying the Pope's views on
Galileo "offend and humiliate us".
They say he condoned the 1633 trial and conviction of Galileo for heresy.
The astronomer had argued that the Earth revolved around the Sun.
The academics said it would be inappropriate for the Pope to open their
academic year on Thursday.
"In the name of the secular nature of science we hope this incongruous event
can be cancelled," said the letter addressed to the university's rector,
Renato Guarini.
In a separate initiative students at La Sapienza have organised four days of
protest this week. The first revolved around an anti-clerical meal of bread,
pork and wine, the BBC's Christian Fraser reports from Rome.
The banner at their lunch read: "Knowledge needs neither fathers nor
priests".
The official programme has been changed so that Pope Benedict will give a
normal speech - as opposed to a keynote speech, which is usually the
centrepiece of the ceremony.
Vatican Radio said the protest at La Sapienza had "a censorious tone".
Pope Benedict was in charge of Roman Catholic doctrine in 1990 when, as
Cardinal Ratzinger, he commented on the 17th-Century Galileo trial. He has
been quoted as saying the trial was "reasonable and just".
Galileo's inquisitors maintained the scriptures indicated the Earth was
stationary.
Galileo, a devout Catholic, was forced to renounce his findings publicly.
Fifteen years ago Pope John Paul II officially conceded that in fact the
Earth was not stationary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7188860.stm
and it will do you fools in.
I'd say the fool is the one that's wasting his time worshiping shadows
and paying off child molestor's fines.
Well, you and I will both find out for sure who is wasting their time when
we die and stand before almighty God to answer for the things we
did in the flesh. I know what mine is.
Yep. It's called Pascal's Wager.
Lame. Very lame.
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22 Jan 2008 11:21:42 AM |
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duke wrote:
Ariel? Odin? Vishnu? Di Jun? I get so confused!
You shouldn't. A person of average intelligence knows there is only
one almighty God.
Ohho!! A person of average intelligence as opposed to mentally
substandard people like Homer, Socrates, Aristotle, Plato,
Theucydides, etc? And I guess the ancient Norse were a bunch of
dummies too? In case you don't know, Zeus and co and Odin and co were
once gods in perfectly good standing, whose existence was believed in
as ferverently as any idiot xian believes in Jahweh. It requires
extreme ignorance of history to say that it is *obvious* to any
intelligent person that there is only one God. So enlighten me, why
is it obvious that there is only one god? Personally I think the
correct number is zero, but if I am wrong why should it be one instead
of dozens or hundreds or thousands? Hindus have a different slant on
this. Technically they are polytheist, but they conceive of the
different Gods as manifestations of the same ultimate Reality or
Bhraman and thus there is a bit of a monotheistic flavor to Hinduism.
Anyways, if you find it so obvious that there is one god, why not
convert to Islam? If you don't mind a barbaric and medieval moral
code and treating women like animals, Islam seems simpler in concept
than the ridiculous split personality xian God: Father, Son, and Holy
Hobgobblin.
I'd say the fool is the one that's wasting his time worshiping shadows and paying off child molestor's fines.
Well, you and I will both find out for sure who is wasting their time
when we die and stand before almighty God to answer for the things we
did in the flesh. I know what mine is.
No you won't find out for sure. Unfortunately your consiousness will
simply cease to exist when you die and you will never know that you
devoted your life to worshipping a chimera of your imagination.
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21 Jan 2008 11:15:02 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 5:35 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Your fantasy is that you won't have to stand before God in judgment at the
moment of your death.
Which God?
Oh...and please provide proof that She exists.
That one that created the heavens and the earth. It's called the big
bang, and it will do you fools in.
What ............no proof?
Only a real fool follows something the existence of which has never been shown
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22 Jan 2008 11:08:33 AM |
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On Jan 21, 11:15=A0pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 5:35=A0pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:610013ff-4d1b-4c3b-adb2-d238bbcf906b@21g2000hsj.googlegroups.com..=
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Your fantasy is that you won't have to stand before God in judgment =
at the
moment of your death.
Which God?
Oh...and please provide proof that She exists.
That one that created the heavens and the earth. =A0It's called the big
bang, and it will do you fools in.
What ............no proof?
Only a real fool follows something the existence of which has never been s=
hown
Once upon a times some 14.5 billion years ago, an infinitely small
point of mass of infinite density appeared from whence there was
nothing, and exploded outward to form all mass, energy, time, and
outer space. Now remember, outer space is part of the point, so the
point didn't appear "in" outer space.
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21 Jan 2008 11:13:01 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 3:51 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 10:52 am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're deluding yourself, as usual.
You'll have the same contact with gawd in death that you have in life:
none.
We call that hell.
We call that reality.
Your funeral. Go for it. Don't blame me.
Enjoy your fantasy, dook.
Just try and be honest enough- in lieu of your not being smart enough- to
keep it to yourself.
Your fantasy is that you won't have to stand before God in judgment at
the moment of your death. You're a foolish guy. Only you can help
yourself. I can't do it for you.
Which one are you talking about?
Aeron War [goddess] Wales War
Aeval [goddess] Love, Magic. Ireland
Ahura Mazda
Agrona [goddesss] Destroyer of life
Achall [goddess]Earth and Nature; unhappiness. Ireland
Achtan [goddess] Hunting and wild animals. Ireland
Allah
Adsullata [goddess]
Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Abalim[Judaic] Abba Amona[Judaic]
Abraxis[Judaic]
Adam Beliyya'al'[Judaic] Adam Kadmon[Judaic]
Adonai[Judaic] Adonaiel[Judaic]
Aibell [goddess] Beauty; Arts; Magic
Aille [goddess]Justice. Ireland
Aige [goddess] Demi-animals
Aimend [goddess] Sun and Day. Ireland
Aine [goddess] Love and Sexuality
Ailinn [goddess] Love. Ireland
Aidin [goddess] [Aideen] Love and sexuality. Ireland
Aibheaog [goddess] Fire.
Airmed [goddess] Health and healing; Immortality Ireland
Aide [goddess] Water. Ireland - Wife of the Irish god Enna
Artio [goddess] Hunting and Wild Animals Switzerland
Akatriel-Yah[Judaic] Alitha[Judaic]
Alukah(Arpad Yiddish: Estrie)[Judaic] Anafiel[Judaic]
Angels[Judaic] Archons[Judaic] Asherah(Asherah)[Judaic]
Asmodeus(Asmodaios)[Judaic [goddess] Goodness. Ireland
Abaangui Guarani
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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen Roberts]
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21 Jan 2008 11:10:02 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:52 am, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1a76fd1f-359c-40e3-bac6-dd9177a81e88@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no other gods
before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he continues to
give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God.
You're deluding yourself, as usual.
You'll have the same contact with gawd in death that you have in life:
none.
We call that hell.
We call that reality.
Your funeral. Go for it. Don't blame me.
Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just passed
away.
ÒOh I'm so looking forward to seeing him againÓ the man said. ÒSorryÓ said God,
ÒBut he will not be coming here because he has been a little bit more sinful
than you, so your friend, will be going to the other place we call HellÓ.
So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving God,
whilst his friend, who had been just a little bit more sinful than he, is about
to roast for eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly
stupid?
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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21 Jan 2008 11:23:39 AM |
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On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greates=
t
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
No doubt you are thinking that not choosing god is the same thing as
choosing satan. But answer this-- who decided that it is? God? In that
case, god is choosing for us. So where is the free will?
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| User: "duke" |
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21 Jan 2008 01:44:29 PM |
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On Jan 21, 11:23=A0am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com..=
..
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his great=
est
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
=A0 =A0 What free will?
=A0 =A0 In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. =A0And when you do, and you die, he continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. =A0We
call that hell.
=A0 =A0 He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
=A0 =A0 Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. =A0I choose God and you choose satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.
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21 Jan 2008 02:27:08 PM |
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On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23=A0am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com=
....
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au=
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his gre=
atest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
=A0 =A0 What free will?
=A0 =A0 In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. =A0And when you do, and you die, he continue=
s
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. =A0We
call that hell.
=A0 =A0 He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
=A0 =A0 Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. =A0I choose God and you choose satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. =A0By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". =A0And that means "satan". =A0Satan is the evil in your
heart. =A0God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...
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| User: "duke" |
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21 Jan 2008 05:17:55 PM |
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On Jan 21, 2:27=A0pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23=A0am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.c=
om...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.=
au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his g=
reatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
=A0 =A0 What free will?
=A0 =A0 In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. =A0And when you do, and you die, he contin=
ues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. =A0W=
e
call that hell.
=A0 =A0 He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any=
of those other gods."
=A0 =A0 Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. =A0I choose God and you choose satan=
..
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. =A0By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". =A0And that means "satan". =A0Satan is the evil in your=
heart. =A0God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted text=
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ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 04:41:14 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
A jealous and vengeful God? No evidence of that anywhere.
The clergy like to spread fear.
--
Andrew W.
Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth
naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief
and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the
messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.
You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda
Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit
guides, earth changes.
http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 04:56:06 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
What evidence? There is nothing at all that demands the existence of a god.
Everything, of course, is compatible with there being a god (one that does
nothing) .. but nothing demands it.
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Jan 2008 11:15:16 AM |
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On Jan 22, 4:56=A0am, "Jeckyl" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote=
:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegrou=
ps.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did h=
is
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. =
We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose sata=
n.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose=
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
What evidence? =A0There is nothing at all that demands the existence of a =
god.
Everything, of course, is compatible with there being a god (one that does=
nothing) .. but nothing demands it.- Hide quoted text -
ALL evidence demands the existence of God. You can't provide any
evidence that God does not exist. You believe a dream that will bite
you on the butt when you die.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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23 Jan 2008 05:15:13 PM |
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On Jan 22, 12:15 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 22, 4:56 am, "Jeckyl" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com..=
..
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wro=
te:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:=
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegr=
oups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did=
his
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God=
.. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose sa=
tan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choo=
se
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and you=
r
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your=
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quote=
d
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
What evidence? There is nothing at all that demands the existence of a =
god.
Everything, of course, is compatible with there being a god (one that do=
es
nothing) .. but nothing demands it.- Hide quoted text -
ALL evidence demands the existence of God. You can't provide any
evidence that God does not exist. You believe a dream that will bite
you on the butt when you die.
Show us even one shred of this evidence of yours.
Your problem (ok, ONE of your problems) is that you have no idea what
the word 'evidence' even means.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 06:13:13 AM |
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On Jan 23, 5:15=A0pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 22, 12:15 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 22, 4:56 am, "Jeckyl" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com=
....
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> w=
rote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrot=
e:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.google=
groups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why d=
id his
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.=
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with G=
od. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any=
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose =
satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't ch=
oose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and y=
our
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is t=
o
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in yo=
ur
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quo=
ted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
What evidence? =A0There is nothing at all that demands the existence o=
f a god.
Everything, of course, is compatible with there being a god (one that =
does
nothing) .. but nothing demands it.- Hide quoted text -
ALL evidence demands the existence of God. =A0You can't provide any
evidence that God does not exist. =A0You believe a dream that will bite
you on the butt when you die.
Show us even one shred of this evidence of yours.
Your problem (ok, ONE of your problems) is that you have no idea what
the word 'evidence' even means.
Actually, **I** am the one that does know the definition. Try a
dictionary. It will do wonders for your inability to understand.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 07:39:23 AM |
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On Jan 24, 7:13 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 23, 5:15 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 22, 12:15 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 22, 4:56 am, "Jeckyl" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.c=
om...
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com>=
wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wr=
ote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.goog=
legroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why=
did his
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free wil=
l.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he=
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with=
God. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or a=
ny
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choos=
e satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't =
choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and=
your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is=
to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in =
your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide q=
uoted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
What evidence? There is nothing at all that demands the existence o=
f a god.
Everything, of course, is compatible with there being a god (one tha=
t does
nothing) .. but nothing demands it.- Hide quoted text -
ALL evidence demands the existence of God. You can't provide any
evidence that God does not exist. You believe a dream that will bite
you on the butt when you die.
Show us even one shred of this evidence of yours.
Your problem (ok, ONE of your problems) is that you have no idea what
the word 'evidence' even means.
Actually, **I** am the one that does know the definition. Try a
dictionary. It will do wonders for your inability to understand.
Only imbeciles such as yourself believe that simplistic 1-or-2
sentence answers can truly cover a subject.
Try an encyclopedia, moron.
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24 Jan 2008 02:58:09 PM |
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On Jan 24, 7:13 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 23, 5:15 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 22, 12:15 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 22, 4:56 am, "Jeckyl" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.c=
om...
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com>=
wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wr=
ote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.goog=
legroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why=
did his
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free wil=
l.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he=
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with=
God. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or a=
ny
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choos=
e satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't =
choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and=
your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is=
to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in =
your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide q=
uoted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
What evidence? There is nothing at all that demands the existence o=
f a god.
Everything, of course, is compatible with there being a god (one tha=
t does
nothing) .. but nothing demands it.- Hide quoted text -
ALL evidence demands the existence of God. You can't provide any
evidence that God does not exist. You believe a dream that will bite
you on the butt when you die.
Show us even one shred of this evidence of yours.
Your problem (ok, ONE of your problems) is that you have no idea what
the word 'evidence' even means.
Actually, **I** am the one that does know the definition. Try a
dictionary. It will do wonders for your inability to understand.
You know nothing, Dork.
PDW
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| User: "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist AKA Al" |
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29 Jan 2008 09:43:57 PM |
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On Jan 22, 8:56 pm, "Jeckyl" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote=
:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegrou=
ps.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did h=
is
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. =
We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose sata=
n.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose=
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
What evidence? There is nothing at all that demands the existence of a go=
d.
Everything, of course, is compatible with there being a god (one that does=
nothing) .. but nothing demands it.
Of course the difference between this possible do-nothing-god and no
god is exactly zero.
Al
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