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"duke" |
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21 Jan 2008 07:05:38 AM |
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Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
On Jan 21, 2:59=A0am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
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If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
Choose wisely.
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 11:50:12 AM |
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On Jan 22, 11:29 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 22, 1:52 am, Olrik <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 6:35 pm,snex<s...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 5:33 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:38 pm,snex<s...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 7:05 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
Choose wisely.
is there free will once youre in heaven?- Hide quoted text -
Your desire for the things of the flesh are removed in purgatory, if
you're lucky enough to go that direction. Only Jesus decides.
you didnt answer my question, nor did you even attempt to. is there
free will in heaven?
I've asked that question many times, and never got an answer. This
"duke" thing typed some non sequitur words, and that's all you're
going to get.
A non sequitur is all you desire to see. The truth forcefully speeds
over your head as you look around dumbfounded for an answer that you
don't recognize.
You lose, not me.
i dont desire a non-sequitur. i desire a real answer. is there free
will in heaven? a simple "yes" or "no" will do.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 11:33:01 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:38 pm, snex <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 7:05 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
Choose wisely.
is there free will once youre in heaven?- Hide quoted text -
Your desire for the things of the flesh are removed in purgatory, if
you're lucky enough to go that direction. Only Jesus decides.
Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just passed
away.
ÒOh I'm so looking forward to seeing him againÓ the man said. ÒSorryÓ said God,
ÒBut he will not be coming here because he has been a little bit more sinful
than you, so your friend, will be going to the other place we call HellÓ.
So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving God,
whilst his friend, who had been just a little more sinful than he, is about to
roast for eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly
stupid?
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 07:11:14 AM |
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On Jan 21, 8:05=A0am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:59=A0am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". =A0We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. =A0There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
So the *intelligent* designer designed us unintelligently? It is a
shame that you can't step out of your box and see just how
blitheringly STUPID your beliefs seem to those who are not brainwashed
to believe. God created us sick, and then orders us to be well.
LOL!!!
Choose wisely.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 03:29:59 PM |
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On Jan 21, 7:11=A0am, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:05=A0am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:59=A0am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest=
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". =A0We are faced=
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. =A0There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
So the *intelligent* designer designed us unintelligently? =A0It is a
shame that you can't step out of your box and see just how
blitheringly STUPID your beliefs seem to those who are not brainwashed
to believe. =A0God created us sick, and then orders us to be well.
LOL!!!
When it comes to God, you're out of your league.
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| User: "00000000000" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 12:16:32 PM |
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On Jan 21, 8:11 am, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:05 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
So the *intelligent* designer designed us unintelligently? It is a
shame that you can't step out of your box and see just how
blitheringly STUPID your beliefs seem to those who are not brainwashed
to believe. God created us sick, and then orders us to be well.
LOL!!!
Choose wisely.
God gave them free will, and just like your atheism they committed a
big mistake.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 10:53:44 PM |
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00000000000 said the following on 1/23/2008 10:16 AM:
On Jan 21, 8:11 am, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:05 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
So the *intelligent* designer designed us unintelligently? It is a
shame that you can't step out of your box and see just how
blitheringly STUPID your beliefs seem to those who are not brainwashed
to believe. God created us sick, and then orders us to be well.
LOL!!!
Choose wisely.
God gave them free will, and just like your atheism they committed a
big mistake.
Tell that to Thomas (John 20:24-29).
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
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| User: "SkyEyes" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 02:32:41 PM |
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On Jan 23, 11:16=A0am, 00000000000 <delaneysr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:11 am, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:05 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greate=
st
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". =A0We are fac=
ed
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. =A0There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
So the *intelligent* designer designed us unintelligently? =A0It is a
shame that you can't step out of your box and see just how
blitheringly STUPID your beliefs seem to those who are not brainwashed
to believe. =A0God created us sick, and then orders us to be well.
LOL!!!
Choose wisely.
God gave them free will, and just like your atheism they committed a
big mistake.
If you're talking about A&E, no, they didn't have free will. Now I
don't believe for a second that the whole story is anything but a
Bronze Age myth, but for the sake of argument I'll play.
According to the bible, A&E were placed into the GofE *innocent*,
lacking the knowledge of the difference between good and evil (right
and wrong). That's the knowledge that the Tree of Knowledge imparted,
remember. But unless you know right from wrong, the concept of
"obedience" has no meaning; therefore, they didn't know that
disobeying god's commandment not to eat of that tree was "wrong," and
could hardly be blamed for their mistake - and certainly not blamed to
the extent that every one of their descendants would inherit a
negative trait called "original sin" that they would be punished for.
Thanks for playing. Please pick up your consolation prize on your way
out.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
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| User: "Opus-" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
25 Jan 2008 12:40:49 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:16:32 -0800 (PST), 00000000000
<delaneysryan@gmail.com> spake thusly:
On Jan 21, 8:11 am, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:05 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
So the *intelligent* designer designed us unintelligently? It is a
shame that you can't step out of your box and see just how
blitheringly STUPID your beliefs seem to those who are not brainwashed
to believe. God created us sick, and then orders us to be well.
LOL!!!
Choose wisely.
God gave them free will, and just like your atheism they committed a
big mistake.
And how do you know that Allah won't burn YOU for eternity, for NOT
worshipping the one true god?
--
jbuchy@hotmail.com
(Jim, daddy to Lesleigh [Autistic] 04/20/94)
"With God, all atrocities are acceptable and embraced"
Please note: All unsolicited e-mail sent to me may, at
my discretion, be posted in this newsgroup verbatim.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 04:35:09 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
===>But that "God" obviously did not know this would happen.
Otherwise he would not have made them in the first place, or would
have given a different warning:
"I kow you guys are going to eat of that tree and I will chase you
out of my garden so you could not eat of that other tree and live
for ever".
But he did not say this, so he did not know.
YHWH ELOHIM had no ability of foreknowledge.
"I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land,
from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky;
for I am sorry that I have made them." (Gen. 6:7).
The author depicted a bungling fool of an alien extraterrestrial
"creator" who did not know what he was doing. -- L.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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24 Jan 2008 11:35:26 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his
greatest creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are
faced with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
===>But that "God" obviously did not know this would happen.
Otherwise he would not have made them in the first place, or would
have given a different warning:
"I kow you guys are going to eat of that tree and I will chase you
out of my garden so you could not eat of that other tree and live
for ever".
But he did not say this, so he did not know.
YHWH ELOHIM had no ability of foreknowledge.
"I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land,
from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky;
for I am sorry that I have made them." (Gen. 6:7).
The author depicted a bungling fool of an alien extraterrestrial
"creator" who did not know what he was doing. -- L.
Actually the writers depicted the gods they were familar with at the time.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,
when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare
children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of
renown.
Anyone who has actually studied the subject knows this. The fundies just try
to wrap their ideas around what it actually says.
They always come up short, and usually start a new sect based on the Really,
Really, REALLY True Meaning.
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