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"duke" |
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21 Jan 2008 07:05:38 AM |
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Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
On Jan 21, 2:59=A0am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
Choose wisely.
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| User: "duke" |
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30 Jan 2008 07:32:20 AM |
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On Jan 29, 9:43=A0pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
<alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Jan 22, 8:56 pm, "Jeckyl" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com..=
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On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wro=
te:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:=
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegr=
oups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did=
his
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God=
.. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose sa=
tan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choo=
se
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and you=
r
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your=
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quote=
d
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
What evidence? =A0There is nothing at all that demands the existence of =
a god.
Everything, of course, is compatible with there being a god (one that do=
es
nothing) .. but nothing demands it.
Of course the difference between this possible do-nothing-god and no
god is exactly zero.
So get your head out of your butt.
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| User: "Richard Anacker" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
30 Jan 2008 09:26:05 AM |
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duke , 01.30.2008:
Of course the difference between this possible do-nothing-god and no
god is exactly zero.
So get your head out of your butt.
empty argument. try again.
greets
richie
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
30 Jan 2008 06:02:33 PM |
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On Jan 30, 9:26=A0am, Richard Anacker <1...@taunus-biker.de> wrote:
duke , 01.30.2008:
Of course the difference between this possible do-nothing-god and no go=
d is exactly zero.
So get your head out of your butt.
empty argument. try again.
That's my exact suggestion to your comment above. Your problem is
that you know nothing about God and religious faith, and it is
reflected in your words and thoughts.
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| User: "Richard Anacker" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
31 Jan 2008 01:34:51 AM |
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duke , 01.31.2008:
On Jan 30, 9:26 am, Richard Anacker <1...@taunus-biker.de> wrote:
duke , 01.30.2008:
Of course the difference between this possible do-nothing-god and no god is exactly zero.
So get your head out of your butt.
empty argument. try again.
That's my exact suggestion to your comment above. Your problem is
that you know nothing about God and religious faith, and it is
reflected in your words and thoughts.
Duke, a) it was not my comment. Learn to read quotes.b) it is no
problem for me, no need to know about your god, it is nothing special
on yours, they all are similar, fears, lies and the hope that the fear
ends with your death. Thats all. Poor, isn't it?
greets
richie
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| User: "duke" |
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31 Jan 2008 07:04:54 AM |
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On Jan 31, 1:34=A0am, Richard Anacker <1...@taunus-biker.de> wrote:
duke , 01.31.2008:
On Jan 30, 9:26=A0am, Richard Anacker <1...@taunus-biker.de> wrote:
duke , 01.30.2008:
Of course the difference between this possible do-nothing-god and no =
god is exactly zero.
So get your head out of your butt.
empty argument. try again.
That's my exact suggestion to your comment above. =A0Your problem is
that you know nothing about God and religious faith, and it is
reflected in your words and thoughts.
Duke, a) it was not my comment. Learn to read quotes.b) it is no
problem for me, no need to know about your god, it is nothing special
on yours, they all are similar, fears, lies and the hope that the fear
ends with your death. Thats all. Poor, isn't it?
Only if you misunderstand.
Cheers.
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| User: "NOSPAM nospam@nospam" |
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22 Jan 2008 08:26:50 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:56:06 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
What evidence? There is nothing at all that demands the existence of a god.
Everything, of course, is compatible with there being a god (one that does
nothing) .. but nothing demands it.
Jekyll -- if you don't believe He exists, then why are you posting to
the Christian newsgroups? Just curious... are you totally atheist, or
agnostic?
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 06:01:54 PM |
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"NOSPAM" <nospam@nospam> wrote in message
news:c7vbp39d9qbjr4ruh1j65n6s6d5ibq613r@4ax.com...
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:56:06 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did
his
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God.
We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose
satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
What evidence? There is nothing at all that demands the existence of a
god.
Everything, of course, is compatible with there being a god (one that does
nothing) .. but nothing demands it.
Jekyll -- if you don't believe He exists, then why are you posting to
the Christian newsgroups?
I'm simply replying to threads that were cross-posted. Complain to the OP
about posting off-topic. Of course, if you christians are afraid to hear
criticism, that's not my fault.
Just curious... are you totally atheist, or agnostic?
Agnostic .. why?
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| User: "NOSPAM nospam@nospam" |
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23 Jan 2008 10:10:48 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:01:54 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com>
wrote:
I'm simply replying to threads that were cross-posted. Complain to the OP
about posting off-topic. Of course, if you christians are afraid to hear
criticism, that's not my fault.
Just curious... are you totally atheist, or agnostic?
Agnostic .. why?
Just curious.
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| User: "•R. L. Measures" |
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22 Jan 2008 09:36:25 AM |
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In article <4795c84d$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
A jealous and vengeful God? No evidence of that anywhere. ...
• Our Creator positions the prostate gland ideally to be happily
stimulated by another man's schlong, butt when lots of of guys in two
cities couple thusly, our Creator incinerates them all because He decides
they are doing a terrible wrong.
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Jan 2008 11:14:14 AM |
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On Jan 22, 4:41=A0am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1fea8204-9f4a-4ccf-8761-7410226d7963@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:=
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroup=
s.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did hi=
s
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. W=
e
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose satan=
..
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
A jealous and vengeful God? =A0No evidence of that anywhere.
The clergy like to spread fear.
Yet there is evidence galore in scripture that those that turn from
God spend all eternitiy with "no God" (satan is his name).
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| User: "NOSPAM nospam@nospam" |
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22 Jan 2008 08:25:13 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:41:14 +1100, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
A jealous and vengeful God? No evidence of that anywhere.
The clergy like to spread fear.
--
Andrew W.
Actually, the Bible says this, Andrew:
Exodus 20:5
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the
LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that
hate me; (also Deuteronomy 5:9 says literally the same thing.)
Exodus 34:14
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is
Jealous, is a jealous God:
Deuteronomy 4:24
For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 6:15
(For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of
the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off
the face of the earth.
Deuteronomy 29:20
The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his
jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are
written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out
his name from under heaven.
Deuteronomy 32:16
They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations
provoked they him to anger.
Deuteronomy 32:21
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have
provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to
jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to
anger with a foolish nation.
Joshua 24:19
And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is
an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your
transgressions nor your sins.
Joshua 24:18-20 (in Context)
There are numerous others, but while I'm not trying to claim He is
'bad', I do know He speaks of His own jealousy (in the sense of
righteousness against those who disregard Him) in the pages of the
Bible. HTH.
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21 Jan 2008 11:52:10 PM |
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On 22 Jan., 00:17, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:27=A0pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23=A0am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote=
:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups=
..com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.co=
m.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his=
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
=A0 =A0 What free will?
=A0 =A0 In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. =A0And when you do, and you die, he cont=
inues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. =
=A0We
call that hell.
=A0 =A0 He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or a=
ny
of those other gods."
=A0 =A0 Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. =A0I choose God and you choose sat=
an.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. =A0By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". =A0And that means "satan". =A0Satan is the evil in yo=
ur
heart. =A0God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted te=
xt -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.-
And yet, there's still no proof of that.
Please, provide your proof and then we'll discuss.
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Jan 2008 11:12:39 AM |
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On Jan 21, 11:52=A0pm, wrote:
On 22 Jan., 00:17, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:27=A0pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23=A0am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wro=
te:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegrou=
ps.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.=
com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did h=
is greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
=A0 =A0 What free will?
=A0 =A0 In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have n=
o
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. =A0And when you do, and you die, he co=
ntinues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. =
=A0We
call that hell.
=A0 =A0 He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or=
any
of those other gods."
=A0 =A0 Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. =A0I choose God and you choose s=
atan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose=
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. =A0By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to=
choose "no God". =A0And that means "satan". =A0Satan is the evil in =
your
heart. =A0God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted =
text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.-
And yet, there's still no proof of that.
Please, provide your proof and then we'll discuss.- Hide quoted text -
I can't provide proof that's not there. But all evidence demands the
existence of God. You can't even provide evidence that God doesn't
exist.
I win, you lose.
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22 Jan 2008 05:12:53 PM |
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On 22 Jan., 18:12, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:52=A0pm, wrote:
On 22 Jan., 00:17, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:27=A0pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23=A0am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> w=
rote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:=
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegr=
oups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushom=
e.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did=
his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
=A0 =A0 What free will?
=A0 =A0 In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have=
no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. =A0And when you do, and you die, he =
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God=
.. =A0We
call that hell.
=A0 =A0 He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me =
or any
of those other gods."
=A0 =A0 Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. =A0I choose God and you choose=
satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choo=
se
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and you=
r
satan are both myths.
But you DO. =A0By choosing away from God, the only alternative is =
to
choose "no God". =A0And that means "satan". =A0Satan is the evil i=
n your
heart. =A0God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quote=
d text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.-
And yet, there's still no proof of that.
Please, provide your proof and then we'll discuss.- Hide quoted text -
I can't provide proof that's not there. =A0But all evidence demands the
existence of God. =A0You can't even provide evidence that God doesn't
exist.
The way the planet goes nowadays, I'd say that all evidence demands
the non-existence of God. Besides, you can't even provide evience that
God exists.
I win, you lose.-
Intelligence always wins, therefore, you lose.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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23 Jan 2008 05:13:26 PM |
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On Jan 22, 12:12 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:52 pm, wrote:
On 22 Jan., 00:17, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wro=
te:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:=
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegr=
oups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushom=
e.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did=
his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he co=
ntinues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God=
.. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or a=
ny
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose s=
atan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choo=
se
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and you=
r
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to=
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in yo=
ur
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quote=
d text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.-
And yet, there's still no proof of that.
Please, provide your proof and then we'll discuss.- Hide quoted text -
I can't provide proof that's not there. But all evidence demands the
existence of God. You can't even provide evidence that God doesn't
exist.
I win, you lose.
You win by claiming that there is evidence of god be never actually
providing it?
How does that work?
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 11:57:03 AM |
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Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
On Jan 22, 12:12 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:52 pm, wrote:
On 22 Jan., 00:17, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> w=
rote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=EF=BF=BDtsel" <z...@roer.com=
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.google=
groups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optush=
ome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why d=
id his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.=
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have n=
o
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he =
continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with G=
od. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or=
any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose=
satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't ch=
oose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and y=
our
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is =
to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in =
your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quo=
ted text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.-
And yet, there's still no proof of that.
Please, provide your proof and then we'll discuss.- Hide quoted text -=
I can't provide proof that's not there. But all evidence demands the
existence of God. You can't even provide evidence that God doesn't exis=
t.
I win, you lose.
You win by claiming that there is evidence of god be never actually provid=
ing it?
How does that work?
Cognitive dissonance.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 06:26:03 AM |
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On Jan 23, 5:13=A0pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I can't provide proof that's not there. =A0But all evidence demands the
existence of God. =A0You can't even provide evidence that God doesn't
exist.
I win, you lose.
You win by claiming that there is evidence of god be never actually
providing it?
Ask a scientist.
Some 14.5 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass of
infinite density appeared from whence there was nothing, and proceeded
to explode outward to form our universe and all in it to include all
mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Now note, the point didn't appear in outer space, rather outer space
was part of the point.
Royal flush - gotcha.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 07:42:43 AM |
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On Jan 24, 7:26 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 23, 5:13 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I can't provide proof that's not there. But all evidence demands the
existence of God. You can't even provide evidence that God doesn't
exist.
I win, you lose.
You win by claiming that there is evidence of god be never actually
providing it?
Ask a scientist.
Some 14.5 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass of
infinite density appeared from whence there was nothing, and proceeded
to explode outward to form our universe and all in it to include all
mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Now note, the point didn't appear in outer space, rather outer space
was part of the point.
Congratulations. You have utterly failed to understand the Big Bang
theory. That's what happens when you never actually try to educate
yourself on a subject.
Royal flush - gotcha.
What royal flush? All I see is a joker.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 10:16:28 AM |
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On Jan 24, 7:42=A0am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 7:26 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 23, 5:13 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I can't provide proof that's not there. =A0But all evidence demands =
the
existence of God. =A0You can't even provide evidence that God doesn'=
t
exist.
I win, you lose.
You win by claiming that there is evidence of god be never actually
providing it?
Ask a scientist.
Some 14.5 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass of
infinite density appeared from whence there was nothing, and proceeded
to explode outward to form our universe and all in it to include all
mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Now note, the point didn't appear in outer space, rather outer space
was part of the point.
Congratulations. You have utterly failed to understand the Big Bang
theory. That's what happens when you never actually try to educate
yourself on a subject.
Royal flush - gotcha.
What royal flush? All I see is a joker.- Hide quoted text -
You're no more intelligent than doug selmer/dave snowden/danielsan.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 07:46:31 AM |
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On Jan 24, 8:42 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 7:26 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 23, 5:13 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I can't provide proof that's not there. But all evidence demands the
existence of God. You can't even provide evidence that God doesn't
exist.
I win, you lose.
You win by claiming that there is evidence of god be never actually
providing it?
Ask a scientist.
Some 14.5 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass of
infinite density appeared from whence there was nothing, and proceeded
to explode outward to form our universe and all in it to include all
mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Now note, the point didn't appear in outer space, rather outer space
was part of the point.
Congratulations. You have utterly failed to understand the Big Bang
theory. That's what happens when you never actually try to educate
yourself on a subject.
Royal flush - gotcha.
What royal flush? All I see is a joker.
Damn! I can't believe I actually let you get away with changing the
subject. We were talking about why you refuse to show evidence for
god.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 07:26:24 AM |
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duke said the following on 1/24/2008 4:26 AM:
On Jan 23, 5:13 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I can't provide proof that's not there. But all evidence demands the
existence of God. You can't even provide evidence that God doesn't
exist.
I win, you lose.
You win by claiming that there is evidence of god be never actually
providing it?
Ask a scientist.
Some 14.5 billion years ago, an infinitely small point of mass of
infinite density appeared from whence there was nothing,
Where does any scientist say that it "appeared from....nothing"?
and proceeded
to explode outward to form our universe and all in it to include all
mass, energy, time, and outer space.
Now note, the point didn't appear in outer space, rather outer space
was part of the point.
Royal flush - gotcha.
Only if you're too unintelligent to understand the Big Bang.
--
****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
****************************************************
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 05:21:03 PM |
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On Jan 21, 5:17 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups=
..com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.co=
m.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his=
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he contin=
ues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. W=
e
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose satan=
..
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted te=
xt -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
even this potato chip i have that looks like the buddha?
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 11:26:14 PM |
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On Jan 21, 6:17 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups=
..com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.co=
m.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his=
greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he contin=
ues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. W=
e
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose satan=
..
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted te=
xt -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
Now, that's funny!!
PDW
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 11:29:01 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 21 Jan., 20:44, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges Rätsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.-
No god means no god, idiot. That doesn't "mean Satan"...- Hide quoted text -
ALL EVIDENCE demands the existence of God.
Yet again - provide some. No I'll make it easier for you - provide just a little
piece of evidence
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 05:20:36 PM |
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On Jan 21, 2:44 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:23 am, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:01 am, "Witziges R=E4tsel" <z...@roer.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com=
....
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au=
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his gre=
atest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
But free to do so anyway. And when you do, and you die, he continues
to give you your choice for all eternity - no contact with God. We
call that hell.
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
Yes, and you and I exercise it. I choose God and you choose satan.
Enjoy your choice.
And you STILL don't get it. We don't choose satan. We don't choose
either of them. We recognize the fact that both your god and your
satan are both myths.
But you DO. By choosing away from God, the only alternative is to
choose "no God". And that means "satan". Satan is the evil in your
heart. God is the love in your heart.
You want free will? Here's your free will.
*ahem*
I do not choose the christian god and I also do not choose the
christian satan.
I choose NEITHER. They are both myths.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 06:18:35 AM |
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On Jan 23, 5:20=A0pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You want free will? Here's your free will.
*ahem*
I do not choose the christian god and I also do not choose the
christian satan.
A&E told God "no" also, and look what it got them for not choosing
God. BTW, satan is hence the default.
I choose NEITHER. They are both myths
Well, "ONE" will get their hands on you eventually.
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| User: "Syd" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 02:58:35 PM |
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On Jan 24, 7:18 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 23, 5:20 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You want free will? Here's your free will.
*ahem*
I do not choose the christian god and I also do not choose the
christian satan.
A&E told God "no" also, and look what it got them for not choosing
God. BTW, satan is hence the default.
I choose NEITHER. They are both myths
Well, "ONE" will get their hands on you eventually.
No.
PDW
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 07:32:16 AM |
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On Jan 24, 7:18 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 23, 5:20 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You want free will? Here's your free will.
*ahem*
I do not choose the christian god and I also do not choose the
christian satan.
A&E told God "no" also, and look what it got them for not choosing
God. BTW, satan is hence the default.
A&E never existed
I choose NEITHER. They are both myths
Well, "ONE" will get their hands on you eventually.
Only in your deluded mind
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| User: "Syd" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
30 Jan 2008 12:39:47 PM |
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On Jan 24, 7:18=A0am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 23, 5:20=A0pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You want free will? Here's your free will.
*ahem*
I do not choose the christian god and I also do not choose the
christian satan.
A&E told God "no" also, and look what it got them for not choosing
God. =A0BTW, satan is hence the default.
I choose NEITHER. They are both myths
Well, "ONE" will get their hands on you eventually.
So YOU say, Dork.
Without any evidence to back it up, it's just your assertion.
Try again, Eearl.
PDW, AA#1148
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 07:25:14 AM |
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duke said the following on 1/24/2008 4:18 AM:
On Jan 23, 5:20 pm, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You want free will? Here's your free will.
*ahem*
I do not choose the christian god and I also do not choose the
christian satan.
A&E told God "no" also, and look what it got them for not choosing
God. BTW, satan is hence the default.
Perhaps in your religion. However, outside your religion, things are
much different.
I choose NEITHER. They are both myths
Well, "ONE" will get their hands on you eventually.
I hope it's Dionysus! He was a party animal!
--
****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
****************************************************
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