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User: ""
Date: 27 Jan 2008 12:58:28 PM
Object: Re: Abiogensis
On Jan 27, 6:08 am, Keima Sente <Sho...@weiqui.org> wrote:

If a spontaneous beginning for life is to be accepted as scientific
fact, it should be established by the scientific method. This has been
described as follows: Observe what happens; based on those observations,
form a theory as to what may be true; test the theory by further
observations and by experiments; and watch to see if the predictions
based on the theory are fulfilled.

In an attempt to apply the scientific method, it has not been possible
to observe the spontaneous generation of life. There is no evidence that
it is happening now, and of course no human observer was around when
evolutionists say it was happening. No theory concerning it has been
verified by observation. Laboratory experiments have failed to repeat
it. Predictions based on the theory have not been fulfilled. With such
an inability to apply the scientific method, is it honest science to
elevate such a theory to the level of fact?

On the other hand, there is ample evidence to support the conclusion
that the spontaneous generation of life from nonliving matter is not
possible. "One has only to contemplate the magnitude of this task,"
Professor Wald of Harvard University acknowledges, "to concede that the
spontaneous generation of a living organism is impossible." But what
does this proponent of evolution actually believe? He answers: "Yet here
we are--as a result, I believe, of spontaneous generation. Does that
sound like objective science?

British biologist Joseph Henry Woodger characterized such reasoning as
"simple dogmatism--asserting that what you want to believe did in fact
happen."28 How have scientists come to accept in their own minds this
apparent violation of the scientific method? The well-known evolutionist
Loren Eiseley conceded: "After having chided the theologian for his
reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable
position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the
assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take
place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past."
Based on the evidence, the spontaneous generation of life theory appears
better to fit the realm of science fiction than scientific fact. Many
supporters apparently have forsaken the scientific method in such
matters in order to believe what they want to believe. In spite of the
overwhelming odds against life originating by chance, unyielding
dogmatism prevails rather than the caution normally signaled by the
scientific method.

REPLY: Its utterly impossible. So much so, that even the DNA
Structure Cofounder, atheist Dr. Francis Crick, is quoted as saying
so . The toruble with atheist laymen, is that they must take
everything for granted and given enough time , anything can occur.
And if they dont take it for granted, then they take it apathetically
(same difference really)
.

User: "cactus"

Title: Re: Abiogensis 27 Jan 2008 01:11:03 PM
wrote:

On Jan 27, 6:08 am, Keima Sente <Sho...@weiqui.org> wrote:

If a spontaneous beginning for life is to be accepted as scientific
fact, it should be established by the scientific method. This has been
described as follows: Observe what happens; based on those observations,
form a theory as to what may be true; test the theory by further
observations and by experiments; and watch to see if the predictions
based on the theory are fulfilled.

In an attempt to apply the scientific method, it has not been possible
to observe the spontaneous generation of life. There is no evidence that
it is happening now, and of course no human observer was around when
evolutionists say it was happening. No theory concerning it has been
verified by observation. Laboratory experiments have failed to repeat
it. Predictions based on the theory have not been fulfilled. With such
an inability to apply the scientific method, is it honest science to
elevate such a theory to the level of fact?

On the other hand, there is ample evidence to support the conclusion
that the spontaneous generation of life from nonliving matter is not
possible. "One has only to contemplate the magnitude of this task,"
Professor Wald of Harvard University acknowledges, "to concede that the
spontaneous generation of a living organism is impossible." But what
does this proponent of evolution actually believe? He answers: "Yet here
we are--as a result, I believe, of spontaneous generation. Does that
sound like objective science?

British biologist Joseph Henry Woodger characterized such reasoning as
"simple dogmatism--asserting that what you want to believe did in fact
happen."28 How have scientists come to accept in their own minds this
apparent violation of the scientific method? The well-known evolutionist
Loren Eiseley conceded: "After having chided the theologian for his
reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable
position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the
assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take
place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past."
Based on the evidence, the spontaneous generation of life theory appears
better to fit the realm of science fiction than scientific fact. Many
supporters apparently have forsaken the scientific method in such
matters in order to believe what they want to believe. In spite of the
overwhelming odds against life originating by chance, unyielding
dogmatism prevails rather than the caution normally signaled by the
scientific method.


REPLY: Its utterly impossible. So much so, that even the DNA
Structure Cofounder, atheist Dr. Francis Crick, is quoted as saying
so . The toruble with atheist laymen, is that they must take
everything for granted and given enough time , anything can occur.
And if they dont take it for granted, then they take it apathetically
(same difference really)

Citation?
.
User: "Sanitys Little Helper"

Title: Re: Abiogensis 27 Jan 2008 01:20:15 PM
cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote in
news:cH4nj.3454$nK5.2323@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com to alt.atheism on 27 Jan
2008:

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:

On Jan 27, 6:08 am, Keima Sente <Sho...@weiqui.org> wrote:

If a spontaneous beginning for life is to be accepted as scientific
fact, it should be established by the scientific method. This has
been described as follows: Observe what happens; based on those
observations, form a theory as to what may be true; test the theory
by further observations and by experiments; and watch to see if the
predictions based on the theory are fulfilled.

In an attempt to apply the scientific method, it has not been
possible to observe the spontaneous generation of life. There is no
evidence that it is happening now, and of course no human observer
was around when evolutionists say it was happening. No theory
concerning it has been verified by observation. Laboratory
experiments have failed to repeat it. Predictions based on the
theory have not been fulfilled. With such an inability to apply the
scientific method, is it honest science to elevate such a theory to
the level of fact?

On the other hand, there is ample evidence to support the
conclusion
that the spontaneous generation of life from nonliving matter is not
possible. "One has only to contemplate the magnitude of this task,"
Professor Wald of Harvard University acknowledges, "to concede that
the spontaneous generation of a living organism is impossible." But
what does this proponent of evolution actually believe? He answers:
"Yet here we are--as a result, I believe, of spontaneous generation.
Does that sound like objective science?

British biologist Joseph Henry Woodger characterized such
reasoning as
"simple dogmatism--asserting that what you want to believe did in
fact happen."28 How have scientists come to accept in their own
minds this apparent violation of the scientific method? The
well-known evolutionist Loren Eiseley conceded: "After having chided
the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found
itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of
its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could
not be proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the
primeval past." Based on the evidence, the spontaneous generation of
life theory appears better to fit the realm of science fiction than
scientific fact. Many supporters apparently have forsaken the
scientific method in such matters in order to believe what they want
to believe. In spite of the overwhelming odds against life
originating by chance, unyielding dogmatism prevails rather than the
caution normally signaled by the scientific method.


REPLY: Its utterly impossible. So much so, that even the DNA
Structure Cofounder, atheist Dr. Francis Crick, is quoted as saying
so . The toruble with atheist laymen, is that they must take
everything for granted and given enough time , anything can occur.
And if they dont take it for granted, then they take it apathetically
(same difference really)


Citation?

It came from his backside, and has been flushed. He'll be back to
enlighten us some more the next time he goes for a *****.
--
David Silverman D.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Dis
Lawful copyright holder of the term "Earthquack".
The monkeys are loose in the library again. They're gibbbering something
about "Answers In Genesis".

.


User: "PondMeister"

Title: Re: Abiogensis 27 Jan 2008 06:41:56 PM
On Jan 27, 1:58 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:


REPLY: Its utterly impossible. So much so, that even the DNA
Structure Cofounder, atheist Dr. Francis Crick, is quoted as saying
so . The toruble with atheist laymen, is that they must take
everything for granted and given enough time , anything can occur.
And if they dont take it for granted, then they take it apathetically
(same difference really)

Interesting
.
User: "ken"

Title: Re: Abiogensis 27 Jan 2008 07:08:07 PM
On Jan 27, 4:41=A0pm, PondMeister <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 27, 1:58 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:



REPLY: =A0Its utterly impossible. So much so, that even the DNA
Structure Cofounder, atheist Dr. Francis Crick, is quoted as saying
so . =A0The toruble with atheist laymen, is that they must take
everything for granted and given enough time , anything can occur.
And if they dont take it for granted, then they take it apathetically
(same difference really)


Interesting

Very interesting-----------in that no one has been able to find any
such quote (Dave has posted the supposed Crick quote elsewhere, now
prefering only to condense it to his liking)
BTW-----Atheists don't use "faith" to support their non-beliefs
It's only Xtians who need that for a crutch
.
User: "Christopher A.Lee"

Title: Re: Abiogensis 27 Jan 2008 07:28:48 PM
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:08:07 -0800 (PST), ken <flakey714@aol.com>
wrote:

On Jan 27, 4:41 pm, PondMeister <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 27, 1:58 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:



REPLY:  Its utterly impossible. So much so, that even the DNA
Structure Cofounder, atheist Dr. Francis Crick, is quoted as saying
so .  The toruble with atheist laymen, is that they must take
everything for granted and given enough time , anything can occur.
And if they dont take it for granted, then they take it apathetically
(same difference really)


Interesting


Very interesting-----------in that no one has been able to find any
such quote (Dave has posted the supposed Crick quote elsewhere, now
prefering only to condense it to his liking)

Watson and Crick didn't "found" DNA. They published its structure.
Which was a logical progression from earlier workers like Max
Delbrucke etc.
Neither considered it "impossible". It had happened but in the light
of what was then known just unlikely. Hoyle has shown basic building
blocks in interstellar clouds so Crick though that was the only place,
hence his belief in Panspermia.

BTW-----Atheists don't use "faith" to support their non-beliefs
It's only Xtians who need that for a crutch

The previous poster was just being nasty. After all he's a
fundamentalist Christian.
.

User: "El Guapo"

Title: Re: Abiogensis 28 Jan 2008 09:02:41 AM
Presumably, this Crick quote is on par with IllBeBa..'s 133, no 250,
no... how many is it again? ... razor's edge physics constants that he
repeatedly posts about yet never displays. Not to mention his lack of
comprehension in the fact that he doesn't make a good point by
bringing them up...
.



User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Abiogensis 28 Jan 2008 08:03:27 PM
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:58:28 -0800 in
e310349a-6178-4e92-8331-e4afc53dbd63@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
"IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote:

REPLY: Its utterly impossible.

Translation: "I'm stoopid!"
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
ā€œ...The only really respectable Protestants are the
Fundamentalists. Unfortunately, they are also palpable idiots...ā€
- H. L. Mencken
.


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