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"Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer" |
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01 Jan 2007 09:17:57 PM |
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Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
This is so stupid. All the landlords have to do is rent to them, take
their money, and call INS. They could keep the money, and once word got
out, no illegals would ever rent from them again.
Or do that 'without' taking their money?
People who do stuff like that, victimizing people because of their race or
immigrant status may realize the hard way that they may face a strong
legal penalty.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
02 Jan 2007 01:35:03 PM |
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Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
This is so stupid. All the landlords have to do is rent to them, take
their money, and call INS. They could keep the money, and once word got
out, no illegals would ever rent from them again.
Or do that 'without' taking their money?
People who do stuff like that, victimizing people because of their race or
immigrant status may realize the hard way that they may face a strong
legal penalty.
Of course. Not only that, it's immoral. But that doesn't faze people.
I'll bet they would get away with it. Who would complain?
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
06 Jan 2007 08:48:48 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:35:03 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
This is so stupid. All the landlords have to do is rent to them, take
their money, and call INS. They could keep the money, and once word got
out, no illegals would ever rent from them again.
Or do that 'without' taking their money?
People who do stuff like that, victimizing people because of their race or
immigrant status may realize the hard way that they may face a strong
legal penalty.
Of course. Not only that, it's immoral. But that doesn't faze people.
I'll bet they would get away with it. Who would complain?
Reporting illegal's to the INS is a waste of time, they are already
***** deep in illegal's. Short handed, and way behind on the paper work.
Only way to stop it is huge fines for employers, and strong
enforcement of that law. As of now employers profit from the INS
locking up their employees just before payday.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
06 Jan 2007 09:02:20 PM |
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Robert wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:35:03 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
This is so stupid. All the landlords have to do is rent to them, take
their money, and call INS. They could keep the money, and once word got
out, no illegals would ever rent from them again.
Or do that 'without' taking their money?
People who do stuff like that, victimizing people because of their race or
immigrant status may realize the hard way that they may face a strong
legal penalty.
Of course. Not only that, it's immoral. But that doesn't faze people.
I'll bet they would get away with it. Who would complain?
Reporting illegal's to the INS is a waste of time, they are already
***** deep in illegal's. Short handed, and way behind on the paper work.
Only way to stop it is huge fines for employers, and strong
enforcement of that law. As of now employers profit from the INS
locking up their employees just before payday.
Perhaps such employers can be forced to pay before their employees get
deported. Just one more argument for a guest worker program.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
06 Jan 2007 09:43:26 PM |
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cactus wrote:
Robert wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:35:03 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
This is so stupid. All the landlords have to do is rent to them,
take their money, and call INS. They could keep the money, and
once word got out, no illegals would ever rent from them again.
Or do that 'without' taking their money?
People who do stuff like that, victimizing people because of their
race or immigrant status may realize the hard way that they may
face a strong legal penalty.
Of course. Not only that, it's immoral. But that doesn't faze
people. I'll bet they would get away with it. Who would complain?
Reporting illegal's to the INS is a waste of time, they are already
***** deep in illegal's. Short handed, and way behind on the paper
work. Only way to stop it is huge fines for employers, and strong
enforcement of that law. As of now employers profit from the INS
locking up their employees just before payday.
Perhaps such employers can be forced to pay before their employees get
deported. Just one more argument for a guest worker program.
There are programs like that in place now but the paperwork is beyond the
ability of the average employee. They just don't have the time to do it.
The government has little incentive since the vast majority of these people
pay social security and have but billions into it with little or no chance
of ever getting it out.
Do here what was asked in Germany. Tear down the walls.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
06 Jan 2007 11:16:17 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
cactus wrote:
Robert wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:35:03 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
This is so stupid. All the landlords have to do is rent to them,
take their money, and call INS. They could keep the money, and
once word got out, no illegals would ever rent from them again.
Or do that 'without' taking their money?
People who do stuff like that, victimizing people because of their
race or immigrant status may realize the hard way that they may
face a strong legal penalty.
Of course. Not only that, it's immoral. But that doesn't faze
people. I'll bet they would get away with it. Who would complain?
Reporting illegal's to the INS is a waste of time, they are already
***** deep in illegal's. Short handed, and way behind on the paper
work. Only way to stop it is huge fines for employers, and strong
enforcement of that law. As of now employers profit from the INS
locking up their employees just before payday.
Perhaps such employers can be forced to pay before their employees get
deported. Just one more argument for a guest worker program.
There are programs like that in place now but the paperwork is beyond the
ability of the average employee. They just don't have the time to do it.
The government has little incentive since the vast majority of these people
pay social security and have but billions into it with little or no chance
of ever getting it out.
Do here what was asked in Germany. Tear down the walls.
It would be nice.
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
07 Jan 2007 12:38:36 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:43:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
cactus wrote:
Robert wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:35:03 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
This is so stupid. All the landlords have to do is rent to them,
take their money, and call INS. They could keep the money, and
once word got out, no illegals would ever rent from them again.
Or do that 'without' taking their money?
People who do stuff like that, victimizing people because of their
race or immigrant status may realize the hard way that they may
face a strong legal penalty.
Of course. Not only that, it's immoral. But that doesn't faze
people. I'll bet they would get away with it. Who would complain?
Reporting illegal's to the INS is a waste of time, they are already
***** deep in illegal's. Short handed, and way behind on the paper
work. Only way to stop it is huge fines for employers, and strong
enforcement of that law. As of now employers profit from the INS
locking up their employees just before payday.
Perhaps such employers can be forced to pay before their employees get
deported. Just one more argument for a guest worker program.
There are programs like that in place now but the paperwork is beyond the
ability of the average employee. They just don't have the time to do it.
The government has little incentive since the vast majority of these people
pay social security and have but billions into it with little or no chance
of ever getting it out.
Do here what was asked in Germany. Tear down the walls.
At least there are two sane sensible posters in this thread. You and
I .
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| User: "Ockhams Razor" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
07 Jan 2007 10:57:25 AM |
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In article <4ff2q2p75q715uaf5rbkirvs4gb51ie9pa@4ax.com>,
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:43:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
The government has little incentive since the vast majority of these people
pay social security and have but billions into it with little or no chance
of ever getting it out.
Well counter balanced by their failure to pay any income tax. I have a
friend who does the books for a small company that hires illegals. Even
the 20 year olds claim ten exemptions. The government is getting about
what it can unless they start doing audits. Hell, they do not even
cross check the social security numbers being used.
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"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
07 Jan 2007 03:21:01 PM |
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
In article <4ff2q2p75q715uaf5rbkirvs4gb51ie9pa@4ax.com>,
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:43:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
The government has little incentive since the vast majority of
these people pay social security and have but billions into it with
little or no chance of ever getting it out.
Well counter balanced by their failure to pay any income tax. I have
a friend who does the books for a small company that hires illegals.
Even the 20 year olds claim ten exemptions. The government is
getting about what it can unless they start doing audits. Hell, they
do not even cross check the social security numbers being used.
Which supports what I said about teh government not doing anything except
pay lip service to the alleged problem.
They know how essential these workers are to our ecomomy, and the pear
growers who lost 10 million last year because they could not find help know
it also.
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| User: "Baxter" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
08 Jan 2007 10:17:09 AM |
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
In article <4ff2q2p75q715uaf5rbkirvs4gb51ie9pa@4ax.com>,
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:43:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
The government has little incentive since the vast majority of
these people pay social security and have but billions into it with
little or no chance of ever getting it out.
Well counter balanced by their failure to pay any income tax. I have
a friend who does the books for a small company that hires illegals.
Even the 20 year olds claim ten exemptions. The government is
getting about what it can unless they start doing audits. Hell, they
do not even cross check the social security numbers being used.
Which supports what I said about teh government not doing anything except
pay lip service to the alleged problem.
They know how essential these workers are to our ecomomy, and the pear
growers who lost 10 million last year because they could not find help
know
it also.
The pear growers didn't try to find workers. Pear growers in Hood River
area could have easily found all the bodies they needed in Portland but they
didn't lift a finger to do so.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
08 Jan 2007 01:47:37 PM |
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Baxter wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
They know how essential these workers are to our ecomomy, and the pear
growers who lost 10 million last year because they could not find help
know
it also.
The pear growers didn't try to find workers. Pear growers in Hood River
area could have easily found all the bodies they needed in Portland but they
didn't lift a finger to do so.
They were on nationwide TV, asking for pickers to come.
All of the major network news outlets covered the story.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Says Texas Town Must Rent to Illegal Aliens |
08 Jan 2007 07:47:49 PM |
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Baxter wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
In article <4ff2q2p75q715uaf5rbkirvs4gb51ie9pa@4ax.com>,
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:43:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
The government has little incentive since the vast majority of
these people pay social security and have but billions into it
with little or no chance of ever getting it out.
Well counter balanced by their failure to pay any income tax. I
have a friend who does the books for a small company that hires
illegals. Even the 20 year olds claim ten exemptions. The
government is getting about what it can unless they start doing
audits. Hell, they do not even cross check the social security
numbers being used.
Which supports what I said about teh government not doing anything
except pay lip service to the alleged problem.
They know how essential these workers are to our ecomomy, and the
pear growers who lost 10 million last year because they could not
find help know it also.
The pear growers didn't try to find workers. Pear growers in Hood
River area could have easily found all the bodies they needed in
Portland but they didn't lift a finger to do so.
And you know this how?
I live in farm country, prunes, almonds, rice and their used to be a lot of
apples around.
Farmers work hard, even the millionaires and they do everything they can to
bring their crop to market.
The help was not there.
This was not an isolated incident, just one with a big price tag.
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| User: "Robert" |
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09 Jan 2007 02:45:06 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:47:49 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Which supports what I said about teh government not doing anything
except pay lip service to the alleged problem.
They know how essential these workers are to our ecomomy, and the
pear growers who lost 10 million last year because they could not
find help know it also.
The pear growers didn't try to find workers. Pear growers in Hood
River area could have easily found all the bodies they needed in
Portland but they didn't lift a finger to do so.
There was a lot of media about this, why didn't those bodies in
Portland and other cities nearby go to Hood River?
Mexican had been traveling a hell of a lot further, and would have.
And you know this how?
I live in farm country, prunes, almonds, rice and their used to be a lot of
apples around.
Farmers work hard, even the millionaires and they do everything they can to
bring their crop to market.
The help was not there.
This was not an isolated incident, just one with a big price tag.
My area raises a lot of Yams, and timber. Hay is also a big crop.
With out the Mexican workers, all of these industries would have to
reduce production, or go out of business.
My brother in law raises Yams on about 500 acres. After the harvest
he allows locals to glean the field for missed potatoes. Few bother,
free Yams. Plowed up lying on the ground, too big or too small for the
market.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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09 Jan 2007 07:50:43 PM |
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Robert wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:47:49 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Which supports what I said about teh government not doing anything
except pay lip service to the alleged problem.
They know how essential these workers are to our ecomomy, and the
pear growers who lost 10 million last year because they could not
find help know it also.
The pear growers didn't try to find workers. Pear growers in Hood
River area could have easily found all the bodies they needed in
Portland but they didn't lift a finger to do so.
There was a lot of media about this, why didn't those bodies in
Portland and other cities nearby go to Hood River?
Mexican had been traveling a hell of a lot further, and would have.
Because they already had work. The crackdown has slowed down entry and cost
the US citizen millions, if not billions in both income, taxes, and social
security.
These people buy food,clothes, gas, cars, pay rent, etc so the locals suffer
also.
And you know this how?
I live in farm country, prunes, almonds, rice and their used to be a
lot of apples around.
Farmers work hard, even the millionaires and they do everything they
can to bring their crop to market.
The help was not there.
This was not an isolated incident, just one with a big price tag.
My area raises a lot of Yams, and timber. Hay is also a big crop.
With out the Mexican workers, all of these industries would have to
reduce production, or go out of business.
My brother in law raises Yams on about 500 acres. After the harvest
he allows locals to glean the field for missed potatoes. Few bother,
free Yams. Plowed up lying on the ground, too big or too small for the
market.
I'd let them rot also but ask him if there is a Gleaners in the area that
collect and distribute food to people, usually over 50 and occasionally with
income limits. While most of their food now comes from stores and
resturants, we still actually glean now and then.
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| User: "Robert" |
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10 Jan 2007 01:01:59 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:50:43 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Robert wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:47:49 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Which supports what I said about teh government not doing anything
except pay lip service to the alleged problem.
They know how essential these workers are to our ecomomy, and the
pear growers who lost 10 million last year because they could not
find help know it also.
The pear growers didn't try to find workers. Pear growers in Hood
River area could have easily found all the bodies they needed in
Portland but they didn't lift a finger to do so.
There was a lot of media about this, why didn't those bodies in
Portland and other cities nearby go to Hood River?
Mexican had been traveling a hell of a lot further, and would have.
Because they already had work. The crackdown has slowed down entry and cost
the US citizen millions, if not billions in both income, taxes, and social
security.
These people buy food,clothes, gas, cars, pay rent, etc so the locals suffer
also.
And you know this how?
I live in farm country, prunes, almonds, rice and their used to be a
lot of apples around.
Farmers work hard, even the millionaires and they do everything they
can to bring their crop to market.
The help was not there.
This was not an isolated incident, just one with a big price tag.
My area raises a lot of Yams, and timber. Hay is also a big crop.
With out the Mexican workers, all of these industries would have to
reduce production, or go out of business.
My brother in law raises Yams on about 500 acres. After the harvest
he allows locals to glean the field for missed potatoes. Few bother,
free Yams. Plowed up lying on the ground, too big or too small for the
market.
I'd let them rot also but ask him if there is a Gleaners in the area that
collect and distribute food to people, usually over 50 and occasionally with
income limits. While most of their food now comes from stores and
resturants, we still actually glean now and then.
There are such groups, and some individuals, that take advantage of
this common practice. But not very many, one fellow harvests several
tons each year to feed his hogs.
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| User: "Robert" |
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08 Jan 2007 09:15:08 PM |
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On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:17:09 -0800, "Baxter"
<lbax02.spamguard@baxcode.com> wrote:
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
In article <4ff2q2p75q715uaf5rbkirvs4gb51ie9pa@4ax.com>,
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:43:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
The government has little incentive since the vast majority of
these people pay social security and have but billions into it with
little or no chance of ever getting it out.
Well counter balanced by their failure to pay any income tax. I have
a friend who does the books for a small company that hires illegals.
Even the 20 year olds claim ten exemptions. The government is
getting about what it can unless they start doing audits. Hell, they
do not even cross check the social security numbers being used.
Which supports what I said about teh government not doing anything except
pay lip service to the alleged problem.
They know how essential these workers are to our ecomomy, and the pear
growers who lost 10 million last year because they could not find help
know
it also.
The pear growers didn't try to find workers. Pear growers in Hood River
area could have easily found all the bodies they needed in Portland but they
didn't lift a finger to do so.
Why didn't those bodies in Portland go to Hood River? Much closer
than Mexico whose workers travel thousand of miles in hopes of finding
work.
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| User: "Robert" |
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08 Jan 2007 06:02:58 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:57:25 -0800, Ockham's Razor <Mencken@pdx.net>
wrote:
In article <4ff2q2p75q715uaf5rbkirvs4gb51ie9pa@4ax.com>,
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:43:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
The government has little incentive since the vast majority of these people
pay social security and have but billions into it with little or no chance
of ever getting it out.
Well counter balanced by their failure to pay any income tax. I have a
friend who does the books for a small company that hires illegals. Even
the 20 year olds claim ten exemptions. The government is getting about
what it can unless they start doing audits. Hell, they do not even
cross check the social security numbers being used.
And this is the Government you expect to stop illegal immigrates?
Hell they pay rent to tax paying republican landlords, and sales taxes
at the local stores. Most don't earn enough to have a income tax due.
Many employers still hold out and keep income taxes. The only way to
stop illegal's from entering the country, is a crack down on
employers. Put a few hundred of them in prison and release thousands.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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07 Jan 2007 11:23:26 AM |
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On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:57:25 -0800, in alt.atheism
Ockham's Razor <Mencken@pdx.net> wrote in
<Mencken-4012B2.08572407012007@news.dsl>:
In article <4ff2q2p75q715uaf5rbkirvs4gb51ie9pa@4ax.com>,
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:43:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
The government has little incentive since the vast majority of these people
pay social security and have but billions into it with little or no chance
of ever getting it out.
Well counter balanced by their failure to pay any income tax. I have a
friend who does the books for a small company that hires illegals. Even
the 20 year olds claim ten exemptions. The government is getting about
what it can unless they start doing audits. Hell, they do not even
cross check the social security numbers being used.
They do cross check social security numbers. The SSA will send a list to
employers and ask them to tell the employees that the numbers are wrong
and that the employees should go talk to the SSA to get things straight.
The letter also says that the employer should draw no conclusions about
this letter or these errors.
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