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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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07 Jan 2006 07:44:30 AM |
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Re: Acute to chronic pain - what to do? |
Bob Travis wrote:
My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
Uh-oh
She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
her is put her on Vicodin 7.5 mg and she only takes it when she doesn't have
to drive or do anything that requires her to be alert.
A chest X-ray did not reveal anytning abnormal - no broken or cracked ribs.
I am just wondering what I can do to help. I looked on the Internet and
couldn't begin to figure it out. Finally, today, I was at the local medical
library photocopying some articles for a lawyer friend I sometimes do
research for and I decided to see what was available there on pain diagnosis
and management.
I was amazed at how many books there are on the subject and I could not help
but wonder, with so much having been written on the subjects of acute and
chronic pain, why are her doctors taking their sweet old time trying to get
to the bottom of this?
Don't know her doctors well enough to judge them. Even if I thought I
knew them well enough, it would be my choice to refrain from judging
them.
In fact, I told my wife today, I bet if you were
Madonna or President Bush they would have had an answer for you within two
weeks. Do doctors just enjoy watching "the little people" suffer?
Not those who are walking with the LORD, Who remains kind, just, and
right.
I decided to take it upon myself to see what I could find. I thought maybe
if I study all of the possibilities I may be able to think of something her
doctor did not consider but which Madonna's doctors or President Bush's
doctors probably would have considered.
The LORD is the source of all healing:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/healer.asp
Without the LORD, there can be no healing.
I checked a couple of books out before I left the med library. I checked out
a 1993 book called "Differential Diagnosis of Acute Pain (By Body Region)"
by Stanley L Wiener. I also checked out a book from 2000, the 3rd edition of
"Practical Management of Pain," edited by P. Prithvi Raj, et. al.
Given my very limited medical expertise all these books tell me are:
1.) There are many many possible causes of bilateral chest pain, and
Correct.
2.) There are many possible treatments.
Correct.
All I want to know is why her doctors don't read books like these, see how
many dozens of possibilities there are, and administer the apporopriate
tests to exclude the unlikely and include the possible. If a lay person like
myself can make a little sense of the knowledge imparted by these books, and
others like them, anyone with a real medical degree should have little
trouble at all muddling through them to figure out the cause of her pain.
They have billed her Medicare over $700 in the past three months, How much
money is required to get definitive answers, or if not definitive answers at
least an end to the constant pain -- acute pain at first but since it has
been going on for over three months now it is on its way toward becoming
chronic.
All I really would to know is what kind of doctor should I take her to?
One who has placed his/her faith in the LORD, Who is the source of all
healing.
Her
family practice doctor administers about one new test every three weeks and
that is only if I suggest it. She has not come up with anything on her own
and she graduated med school in 2001 which is practically plenty of time to
become acquainted with the many syndromes which cause pain. She is a very
sweet person but her sweetness isn't helping my wife's pain any.We are
getting impatient, but because we do not have Madonna's money or President's
Bush's influence we feel like we are being treated like second class
citizens, or worse; almost as if we don't really matter at all. I am
wondering what I can do to help my wife and what our next step should be.
Pray to the LORD almighty GOD, Who is the Creator of all things seen
and unseen, Who has established HIS sovereignty with His Laws governing
the universe, Who has made this new day, and Who loves us:
John 3:16
Pseudonym used to avoid excessive spam but I gave a genuine email address
and I will certainly answer anyone who has any helpful advice for us.
Would suggest your wife request a referral to see a cardiologist, who
are the chest pain experts.
Thanks,
You are welcome, Bob :-)
All praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength :-))
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
.
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| User: "Jimmy" |
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| Title: Re: Acute to chronic pain - what to do? |
08 Jan 2006 11:07:45 AM |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob Travis wrote:
My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
Uh-oh
She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
her is put her on Vicodin 7.5 mg and she only takes it when she doesn't have
to drive or do anything that requires her to be alert.
A chest X-ray did not reveal anytning abnormal - no broken or cracked ribs.
I am just wondering what I can do to help. I looked on the Internet and
couldn't begin to figure it out. Finally, today, I was at the local medical
library photocopying some articles for a lawyer friend I sometimes do
research for and I decided to see what was available there on pain diagnosis
and management.
I was amazed at how many books there are on the subject and I could not help
but wonder, with so much having been written on the subjects of acute and
chronic pain, why are her doctors taking their sweet old time trying to get
to the bottom of this?
Don't know her doctors well enough to judge them. Even if I thought I
knew them well enough, it would be my choice to refrain from judging
them.
In fact, I told my wife today, I bet if you were
Madonna or President Bush they would have had an answer for you within two
weeks. Do doctors just enjoy watching "the little people" suffer?
Not those who are walking with the LORD, Who remains kind, just, and
right.
I decided to take it upon myself to see what I could find. I thought maybe
if I study all of the possibilities I may be able to think of something her
doctor did not consider but which Madonna's doctors or President Bush's
doctors probably would have considered.
The LORD is the source of all healing:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/healer.asp
Without the LORD, there can be no healing.
I checked a couple of books out before I left the med library. I checked out
a 1993 book called "Differential Diagnosis of Acute Pain (By Body Region)"
by Stanley L Wiener. I also checked out a book from 2000, the 3rd edition of
"Practical Management of Pain," edited by P. Prithvi Raj, et. al.
Given my very limited medical expertise all these books tell me are:
1.) There are many many possible causes of bilateral chest pain, and
Correct.
2.) There are many possible treatments.
Correct.
All I want to know is why her doctors don't read books like these, see how
many dozens of possibilities there are, and administer the apporopriate
tests to exclude the unlikely and include the possible. If a lay person like
myself can make a little sense of the knowledge imparted by these books, and
others like them, anyone with a real medical degree should have little
trouble at all muddling through them to figure out the cause of her pain.
They have billed her Medicare over $700 in the past three months, How much
money is required to get definitive answers, or if not definitive answers at
least an end to the constant pain -- acute pain at first but since it has
been going on for over three months now it is on its way toward becoming
chronic.
All I really would to know is what kind of doctor should I take her to?
One who has placed his/her faith in the LORD, Who is the source of all
healing.
Her
family practice doctor administers about one new test every three weeks and
that is only if I suggest it. She has not come up with anything on her own
and she graduated med school in 2001 which is practically plenty of time to
become acquainted with the many syndromes which cause pain. She is a very
sweet person but her sweetness isn't helping my wife's pain any.We are
getting impatient, but because we do not have Madonna's money or President's
Bush's influence we feel like we are being treated like second class
citizens, or worse; almost as if we don't really matter at all. I am
wondering what I can do to help my wife and what our next step should be.
Pray to the LORD almighty GOD, Who is the Creator of all things seen
and unseen, Who has established HIS sovereignty with His Laws governing
the universe, Who has made this new day, and Who loves us:
John 3:16
Pseudonym used to avoid excessive spam but I gave a genuine email address
and I will certainly answer anyone who has any helpful advice for us.
Would suggest your wife request a referral to see a cardiologist, who
are the chest pain experts.
Thanks,
You are welcome, Bob :-)
All praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength :-))
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Andrew,
This AS a Medical/Science board, Please post your religious topics
elsewhere.....
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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| Title: Re: Acute to chronic pain - what to do? |
08 Jan 2006 06:18:01 PM |
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Jimmy wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob Travis wrote:
My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
Uh-oh
She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
her is put her on Vicodin 7.5 mg and she only takes it when she doesn't have
to drive or do anything that requires her to be alert.
A chest X-ray did not reveal anytning abnormal - no broken or cracked ribs.
I am just wondering what I can do to help. I looked on the Internet and
couldn't begin to figure it out. Finally, today, I was at the local medical
library photocopying some articles for a lawyer friend I sometimes do
research for and I decided to see what was available there on pain diagnosis
and management.
I was amazed at how many books there are on the subject and I could not help
but wonder, with so much having been written on the subjects of acute and
chronic pain, why are her doctors taking their sweet old time trying to get
to the bottom of this?
Don't know her doctors well enough to judge them. Even if I thought I
knew them well enough, it would be my choice to refrain from judging
them.
In fact, I told my wife today, I bet if you were
Madonna or President Bush they would have had an answer for you within two
weeks. Do doctors just enjoy watching "the little people" suffer?
Not those who are walking with the LORD, Who remains kind, just, and
right.
I decided to take it upon myself to see what I could find. I thought maybe
if I study all of the possibilities I may be able to think of something her
doctor did not consider but which Madonna's doctors or President Bush's
doctors probably would have considered.
The LORD is the source of all healing:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/healer.asp
Without the LORD, there can be no healing.
I checked a couple of books out before I left the med library. I checked out
a 1993 book called "Differential Diagnosis of Acute Pain (By Body Region)"
by Stanley L Wiener. I also checked out a book from 2000, the 3rd edition of
"Practical Management of Pain," edited by P. Prithvi Raj, et. al.
Given my very limited medical expertise all these books tell me are:
1.) There are many many possible causes of bilateral chest pain, and
Correct.
2.) There are many possible treatments.
Correct.
All I want to know is why her doctors don't read books like these, see how
many dozens of possibilities there are, and administer the apporopriate
tests to exclude the unlikely and include the possible. If a lay person like
myself can make a little sense of the knowledge imparted by these books, and
others like them, anyone with a real medical degree should have little
trouble at all muddling through them to figure out the cause of her pain.
They have billed her Medicare over $700 in the past three months, How much
money is required to get definitive answers, or if not definitive answers at
least an end to the constant pain -- acute pain at first but since it has
been going on for over three months now it is on its way toward becoming
chronic.
All I really would to know is what kind of doctor should I take her to?
One who has placed his/her faith in the LORD, Who is the source of all
healing.
Her
family practice doctor administers about one new test every three weeks and
that is only if I suggest it. She has not come up with anything on her own
and she graduated med school in 2001 which is practically plenty of time to
become acquainted with the many syndromes which cause pain. She is a very
sweet person but her sweetness isn't helping my wife's pain any.We are
getting impatient, but because we do not have Madonna's money or President's
Bush's influence we feel like we are being treated like second class
citizens, or worse; almost as if we don't really matter at all. I am
wondering what I can do to help my wife and what our next step should be.
Pray to the LORD almighty GOD, Who is the Creator of all things seen
and unseen, Who has established HIS sovereignty with His Laws governing
the universe, Who has made this new day, and Who loves us:
John 3:16
Pseudonym used to avoid excessive spam but I gave a genuine email address
and I will certainly answer anyone who has any helpful advice for us.
Would suggest your wife request a referral to see a cardiologist, who
are the chest pain experts.
Thanks,
You are welcome, Bob :-)
All praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength :-))
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Andrew,
This AS a Medical/Science board, Please post your religious topics
elsewhere.....
The topic remains medical in nature. Sorry if my choice to remain
openly Christian bothers you so terribly.
Please know you will be in my prayers, dear Jimmy whom I love, in Jesus'
name.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
.
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