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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Wen-King Su"
Date: 01 Aug 2003 12:12:38 PM
Object: Re: Agnosticism is more LOGICAL
In a previous article "Bob White" <threeball@hotmail.com> writes:
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:"Virgil" <vmhjr2@comcast.net> wrote in message
;news:vmhjr2-716C32.18025130072003@[63.218.45.211]...
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:> Since Septic has removed any assertion that the poster may have made
;> about sky pixies ...
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;What is a 'god' if not an ad hoc hypothetically invisible sky pixie, a
:figment of the imagination of theists?
It can very well be something that is not that, but just that no one
knows it to be not that. So, your point? That is a genuine fallacy
(a false statement of inference) you have got there.
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User: "Bob White"

Title: god = ad hoc hypothetically invisible sky pixie 01 Aug 2003 01:01:18 PM
"Wen-King Su" <wen-king@myri.com> wrote in message
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In a previous article "Bob White" <threeball@hotmail.com> writes:
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:"Virgil" <vmhjr2@comcast.net> wrote in message
;news:vmhjr2-716C32.18025130072003@[63.218.45.211]...
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:> Since Septic has removed any assertion that the poster may have made
;> about sky pixies ...
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;What is a 'god' if not an ad hoc hypothetically invisible sky pixie, a
:figment of the imagination of theists?

It can very well be something that is not that ...

Oh really? Because you say so? Can you demonstrate eight or ten examples of
such things? You can't just keep on appealing to lack of proof that there is
none. That is argument _ad ignorantiam_ on your part, knucklehead.
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User: "Bob White"

Title: Re: god = ad hoc hypothetically invisible sky pixie 02 Aug 2003 09:33:02 AM
"George Dance" <georgedance@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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the Septic assertion that gods are 'sky pixie' ...

What are gods then if not ad hoc hypothetically invisible magic sky pixies,
figments of theist imagination?
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User: "Wbarwell"

Title: Re: god = ad hoc hypothetically invisible sky pixie 10 Aug 2003 06:31:27 PM
Virgil wrote:

In article <OVxWa.30245$It4.18484@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>,
"Bob White" <threeball@hotmail.com> wrote:

;What is a 'god' if not an ad hoc hypothetically invisible sky pixie, a
:figment of the imagination of theists?

It can very well be something that is not that ...


Oh really? Because you say so? Can you demonstrate eight or ten examples
of such things? You can't just keep on appealing to lack of proof that
there is none. That is argument _ad ignorantiam_ on your part,
knucklehead.


So, somehow the notion of what "god" is must be left in the hands of
someone who claims that "god" isn't?

If those who claim god exisdts won't define their god, so as to leave
nothing to aim for when debunking any claim you put forth,
yes.
Which god do I debunk? The Greek Philosopher perfect god from who's
perfection we derive omnipotence, omnibenevolence and other omni-attributes?
Which all soon contradict each other?
Or the crude, vicious, genocidal and stupid god of the old testament tall
tales?

Or both?
If you wish you avoid a debunked god by refusing to define your god, it
only delays the debunking god so deserves.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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User: "|-|erc"

Title: Re: god = ad hoc hypothetically invisible sky pixie 17 Aug 2003 04:07:31 AM


If those who claim god exisdts won't define their god, so as to leave
nothing to aim for when debunking any claim you put forth,
yes.

Which god do I debunk? The Greek Philosopher perfect god from who's
perfection we derive omnipotence, omnibenevolence and other omni-attributes?
Which all soon contradict each other?

Or the crude, vicious, genocidal and stupid god of the old testament tall
tales?

Or both?

If you wish you avoid a debunked god by refusing to define your god, it
only delays the debunking god so deserves.

1/ sci.logic is more about this ....

A[a, b] A[c, d] ( [a, b] < [c, d] <-> Ex(b pp x /\ x pp c))


[[a, b]] < [[c, d]] :<-> Ex(b pp x /\ x pp c))


In addition, we need an inclusion relation. With respect to the natural
ordering on Ord, we might write

A[a, b] A[c, d] ( [a, b] nat-include [c, d] <-> (Ax(x pp a -> x pp c) /\
Ax(x pp d -> x pp b)))


Let me reformulate your _definition_ this way:

[[c, d]] c [[a, b]] :<-> Ax(x pp a -> x pp c) /\
Ax(x pp d -> x pp b)

ok?

Yes



so that monotonicity

(([a, b] nat-include [c, d]) /\ ([a, b] < [x, y])) -> [c, d] < [x, y]


[[c, d]] c [[a, b]] & [[a, b]] < [[x, y]] -> [[c, d]] < [[x, y]]


((([x, y] < [a, b]) /\ ([a, b] nat-include [c, d]) -> [x, y] < [c, d]


[[x, y]] < [[a, b]] & [[c, d]] c [[a, b]] -> [[x, y]] < [[c, d]]


and convexity

( ([a, b] < [c, d]) /\ ([c, d] < [e, f]) /\ ([x, y] nat-include [a, b])
/\ ([x, y] nat-include [e, f]) ) -> ([x, y] nat-include [c, d])

are preserved.


[[a, b]] < [[c, d]] & [[c, d]] < [[e, f]] &
[[a, b]] c [[x, y]] & [[e, f]] c [[x, y]] -> [[c, d]] c [[x, y]]


However, taking lead from Cohen forcing and the construction of Suslin
trees from Suslin lines, we invert the sense of the natural inclusion
for intervals. That is,

A[a, b] A[c, d] ( [a, b] include [c, d] <-> [c, d] nat-include [a, b])

Its not so much "therefore he said she said Lady Di went 'you can't catch me' and
I was right and then that happened"
See the difference?
2/ God doesn't have to be defined to be proved, only an attribute which you
seem to have stumbled across yourself, omniXence.
Which is not self contradictory, seperated matter does influence one another using
quantum principles, e.g. 2 particles light years apart can influence each other.
All we need is some determination that many particles influence many particles
which is not yet shown within physics, and a mechanisim of omnipresence is aparant.
Herc
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