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"John Gault" |
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27 Aug 2003 07:06:28 AM |
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Re: Alabama: Outlawing free exercize of religion |
"Joe" <Joe@invalid.net> wrote in message
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some want all public mention of anything remotely religious banned.
As,Turner Network Television does on Christmas Eve/Day. They
broadcast 24 hours of the comedy "A Christmas Story" every year. That
makes it easy, to not mention the meaning behind Christmas.
The same man who has attacked the term "under God" in the pledge has
also initiated lawsuits against chaplains in Congress and the military
(Newdow) , against government officials taking the oath on a Bible and
saying "so help me God" in their oaths of office. He has also along with the
Freedom From Religion Foundation has expressed objections to having holidays
such as Christmas, Easter, and Good Friday. The FFRF has filed lawsuits
against some Wisconsin businesses who are closed on Good Friday and who give
workers the day off on the holidays. In their view, particularly Christians
have no "right" to practice their religion at all. The problem is that most
of the media shares their animosity toward religion in general and
Christianity in specific. They argue that allowing Christians the day off on
days like Christmas, Easter, Good Friday discriminates against those who are
not Christians, such as Atheists. And they find mention of Christmas
"offensive" so want it banned, along with "Christmas" sales, and sales of
Christmas gear, such as trees, lights, mangers and the like. Not just in
government buildings, but in department stores. (Public Accommodations as
they say). They claim to see this as a "separation of church and state
issue." Newdow has expressed his desire to gee "In God We Trust" off of
currency. Newdow and FFRF may be the lunatic fringe of Atheism in America,
they are the vanguard as was Madelyn Murray O'Hare 50 years ago. And the
objection to funeral processions. Objection to police escorts for funerals
(separation of church and state).
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| User: "John Gault" |
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28 Aug 2003 06:01:45 PM |
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"Jesus Christ" <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote in message
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"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> :
In their view, particularly Christians
have no "right" to practice their religion at all. The problem is that
most of the media shares their animosity toward religion in general
and Christianity in specific. They argue that allowing Christians the
day off on days like Christmas, Easter, Good Friday discriminates
against those who are not Christians, such as Atheists. And they find
mention of Christmas "offensive" so want it banned, along with
"Christmas" sales, and sales of Christmas gear, such as trees, lights,
mangers and the like. Not just in government buildings, but in
department stores. (Public Accommodations as they say).
Now you're making this stuff up. I thought only the early church fathers
committed pious fraud.
Nope visit the FFRF website for an example.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Alabama: Outlawing free exercize of religion |
28 Aug 2003 06:38:50 PM |
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"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> writes:
"Jesus Christ" <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote in message
news:Xns93E4A62244390fart@206.172.150.13...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> :
In their view, particularly Christians
have no "right" to practice their religion at all. The problem is that
most of the media shares their animosity toward religion in general
and Christianity in specific. They argue that allowing Christians the
day off on days like Christmas, Easter, Good Friday discriminates
against those who are not Christians, such as Atheists. And they find
mention of Christmas "offensive" so want it banned, along with
"Christmas" sales, and sales of Christmas gear, such as trees, lights,
mangers and the like. Not just in government buildings, but in
department stores. (Public Accommodations as they say).
Now you're making this stuff up. I thought only the early church fathers
committed pious fraud.
Nope visit the FFRF website for an example.
Lying again; give a specific page URL on ffrf.org
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "John Gault" |
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28 Aug 2003 10:22:31 PM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
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"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> writes:
"Jesus Christ" <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote in message
news:Xns93E4A62244390fart@206.172.150.13...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> :
In their view, particularly Christians
have no "right" to practice their religion at all. The problem is
that
most of the media shares their animosity toward religion in general
and Christianity in specific. They argue that allowing Christians the
day off on days like Christmas, Easter, Good Friday discriminates
against those who are not Christians, such as Atheists. And they find
mention of Christmas "offensive" so want it banned, along with
"Christmas" sales, and sales of Christmas gear, such as trees,
lights,
mangers and the like. Not just in government buildings, but in
department stores. (Public Accommodations as they say).
Now you're making this stuff up. I thought only the early church
fathers
committed pious fraud.
Nope visit the FFRF website for an example.
Lying again; give a specific page URL on ffrf.org
The FFRF website page in regard to wanting to go after businesses that
close on Good Friday *was* posted in response to you in Milwaukee General,
Brian and you know it.
For the longest time Brian I have found you to be a particularly
annoying Usenet *****. Here is part of what I posted, I am just sick as
hell of you calling anyone who disagrees with your drivel a liar. But then
that's the only tool you have.
ABOLISH CHRISTMAS ETC
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/ganul1.htm
To some, Richard Ganulin is the grinch who wants to steal Christmas.
Others want to include the 46-year old attorney under the category of
"kook."
But none of the name calling seems to be discouraging Ganulin from
fighting what could emerge as one of the most significant First Amendment
battles in US legal history, on par with other cases which helped to end
mandatory prayer and bible recitation, or abolished a religious test for
holding public office. Ganulin wants to abolish part of the United States
Code (5 USC 6103) which establishes Christmas Day -- December 25-- as a
national legal public holiday, and closes down most government offices and
services. On August 4, 1998, Ganulin filed a federal lawsuit in US District
court, claiming that "Christmas is a religious holiday, and the Congress of
the United States is not constitutionally permitted to endorse or aid any
religion, purposefully or otherwise
There are something over 40 Atheist websites on the net. Then there
are several ACLU chapter websites. Then there is the Freedom From Religion
Foundation, Mr. Newdow's website and others. The problem I have seen with
Atheists is the monumental dishonesty of their arguments. The pretenses of;
"Oh no, *we* are not going to do that." It is an agenda by inches. Get one
thing and then there is the next. The pledge, the motto, chaplains in
Congress, Chaplains in the military, Churches on military bases. Do all
Atheists support every action? No, no more than do all Christians support
Jerry Falwell.
Shall I expect to see an apology for calling me a liar for the 23,789th
time? Perhaps when a pig learns geometry! You don't have it in you Westley!
Why should you? You don't believe there is any higher power than your own
flatulence.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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28 Aug 2003 11:11:48 PM |
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"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> writes:
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:3f4e928a$0$174$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> writes:
"Jesus Christ" <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote in message
news:Xns93E4A62244390fart@206.172.150.13...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> :
In their view, particularly Christians
have no "right" to practice their religion at all. The problem is
that
most of the media shares their animosity toward religion in general
and Christianity in specific. They argue that allowing Christians the
day off on days like Christmas, Easter, Good Friday discriminates
against those who are not Christians, such as Atheists. And they find
mention of Christmas "offensive" so want it banned, along with
"Christmas" sales, and sales of Christmas gear, such as trees,
lights,
mangers and the like. Not just in government buildings, but in
department stores. (Public Accommodations as they say).
Now you're making this stuff up. I thought only the early church
fathers
committed pious fraud.
Nope visit the FFRF website for an example.
Lying again; give a specific page URL on ffrf.org
The FFRF website page in regard to wanting to go after businesses that
close on Good Friday *was* posted in response to you in Milwaukee General,
Brian and you know it.
"I posted it in another newsgroup" is fast surpassing "My dog ate my
homework" on the lame excuse-o-meter. It would be trivial for you
to reprint that supposed URL on one line instead of typing three
lines explaining that it can be found, well, SOMEWHERE in milw.general
C'mon, you pathetic, fucking liar. Google.com allows searches
restricted to a particular domain, so it's easy for me to look
at ALL web pages on ffrf.org that contain the phrase "Good
Friday", and NONE of them are against private businesses
closing on Good Friday, but their successful lawsuit against
Wisconsin's Good Friday law, and their efforts to get GOVERNMENT
to comply with the law and not close municipal offices and
schools on that day show up.
So where's this page where they want to prevent private businesses
from closing, liar?
For the longest time Brian I have found you to be a particularly
annoying Usenet *****.
That's because I know what I'm talking about, and I frequently
show up dishonest bastards like yourself. When you lie, I have
the gall to call you a FUCKING LIAR.
Here is part of what I posted, I am just sick as
hell of you calling anyone who disagrees with your drivel a liar. But then
that's the only tool you have.
No, I'll show you why you're a lying *****.
ABOLISH CHRISTMAS ETC
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/ganul1.htm
To some, Richard Ganulin is the grinch who wants to steal Christmas.
Others want to include the 46-year old attorney under the category of
"kook."
But none of the name calling seems to be discouraging Ganulin from
fighting what could emerge as one of the most significant First Amendment
battles in US legal history, on par with other cases which helped to end
mandatory prayer and bible recitation, or abolished a religious test for
holding public office. Ganulin wants to abolish part of the United States
Code (5 USC 6103) which establishes Christmas Day -- December 25-- as a
national legal public holiday, and closes down most government offices and
services. On August 4, 1998, Ganulin filed a federal lawsuit in US District
court, claiming that "Christmas is a religious holiday, and the Congress of
the United States is not constitutionally permitted to endorse or aid any
religion, purposefully or otherwise
Hey fuckhead, where is he trying to stop private businesses from
closing? He's trying to stop the GOVERNMENT from declaring
religious holidays as official government holidays.
Remember your original, lying claim?
And they find mention of Christmas "offensive"
so want it banned, along with "Christmas" sales,
and sales of Christmas gear, such as trees, lights,
mangers and the like. Not just in government
buildings, but in department stores. (Public
Accommodations as they say).
Where is he trying to ban Xmas because he's offended?
Nowhere.
Where is he trying to ban Xmas lights?
Nowhere.
Where is he trying to prevent department stores from closing on
whatever days the owners want to?
Nowhere.
There are something over 40 Atheist websites on the net. Then there
are several ACLU chapter websites. Then there is the Freedom From Religion
Foundation, Mr. Newdow's website and others. The problem I have seen with
Atheists is the monumental dishonesty of their arguments. The pretenses of;
"Oh no, *we* are not going to do that." It is an agenda by inches. Get one
thing and then there is the next. The pledge, the motto, chaplains in
Congress, Chaplains in the military, Churches on military bases. Do all
Atheists support every action? No, no more than do all Christians support
Jerry Falwell.
It doesn't help that there are dishonest lying bastards like
yourself, either.
Shall I expect to see an apology for calling me a liar for the 23,789th
time?
Why? You're a FUCKING LIAR.
You claim that FFRF wants to stop PRIVATE BUSINESS from closing
for Good Friday, but you can't seem to find an actual URL.
Because you're a FUCKING LIAR.
You claim that the above atheists.org excerpt supports you,
but it doesn't. It doesn't show someone trying to stop
private individuals from celebrating their holidays, or
private businesses from closing on good friday.
Because you're a FUCKING LIAR.
And you're pathetically BAD at it, too.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "JJGun" |
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| Title: Re: Alabama: Outlawing free exercize of religion |
29 Aug 2003 09:57:25 AM |
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"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> wrote in message news:<bimgcn$1lad$1@news1.ij.net>...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:3f4e928a$0$174$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> writes:
"Jesus Christ" <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote in message
news:Xns93E4A62244390fart@206.172.150.13...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> :
In their view, particularly Christians
have no "right" to practice their religion at all. The problem is
that
most of the media shares their animosity toward religion in general
and Christianity in specific. They argue that allowing Christians the
day off on days like Christmas, Easter, Good Friday discriminates
against those who are not Christians, such as Atheists. And they find
mention of Christmas "offensive" so want it banned, along with
"Christmas" sales, and sales of Christmas gear, such as trees,
lights,
mangers and the like. Not just in government buildings, but in
department stores. (Public Accommodations as they say).
Now you're making this stuff up. I thought only the early church
fathers
committed pious fraud.
Nope visit the FFRF website for an example.
Lying again; give a specific page URL on ffrf.org
The FFRF website page in regard to wanting to go after businesses that
close on Good Friday *was* posted in response to you in Milwaukee General,
Brian and you know it.
For the longest time Brian I have found you to be a particularly
annoying Usenet *****. Here is part of what I posted, I am just sick as
hell of you calling anyone who disagrees with your drivel a liar. But then
that's the only tool you have.
Ken Pangborn using his "John Gault" id to describe his own
behavior.
snip
Shall I expect to see an apology for calling me a liar for the 23,789th
time? Perhaps when a pig learns geometry! You don't have it in you Westley!
Why should you? You don't believe there is any higher power than your own
flatulence.
Pangborn doesn't limit his obsession with flatulence to his "John
Gault" id. He likes to refer to his opponent's "flatulence" from some
of his other accounts too.
account:
http://www.google.com/groups?q=+%22+flatulence%22+author:kenpangborn%40aol.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=20030703083958.22449.00000033%40mb-m15.aol.com&rnum=1
http://www.google.com/groups?q=+%22+flatulence%22+author:kenpangborn%40aol.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=20030623190441.01996.00000114%40mb-m10.aol.com&rnum=2
and from his account:
http://www.google.com/groups?q=+%22+flatulence%22+author:pangk%40aol.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=19991022214124.14488.00000090%40ng-cs1.aol.com&rnum=1
http://www.google.com/groups?q=+%22+flatulence%22+author:pangk%40aol.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=20000308101000.02567.00000625%40ng-fg1.aol.com&rnum=2
http://www.google.com/groups?q=+%22+flatulence%22+author:pangk%40aol.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=19990923124025.18112.00001112%40ng-cs1.aol.com&rnum=3
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| User: "John Gault" |
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28 Aug 2003 06:02:32 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:TZt3b.20665$l41.4330859@twister.neo.rr.com...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net>, a verified Ken Pangborn sock puppet,
wrote
in message news:bii6c6$3058$1@news1.ij.net...
<snip pack of lies>
Yeah, right, Kenny. Have you ever in your miserable fucking *life* told
the
truth?
Hey Dave where's Poncherallo?
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| User: "JJGun" |
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29 Aug 2003 01:25:52 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message news:<TZt3b.20665$l41.4330859@twister.neo.rr.com>...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net>, a verified Ken Pangborn sock puppet, wrote
in message news:bii6c6$3058$1@news1.ij.net...
<snip pack of lies>
Yeah, right, Kenny. Have you ever in your miserable fucking *life* told the
truth?
Not according to his archived posts on Google.com he hasn't and
his lies go deeper than you might imagine.
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| User: "Hunter Smoot L. Smoberg" |
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29 Aug 2003 04:05:57 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message news:<TZt3b.20665$l41.4330859@twister.neo.rr.com>...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net>, a verified Ken Pangborn sock puppet, wrote
in message news:bii6c6$3058$1@news1.ij.net...
<snip pack of lies>
Yeah, right, Kenny. Have you ever in your miserable fucking *life* told the
truth?
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com can answer your question for you, John.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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29 Aug 2003 04:32:38 PM |
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"Hunter Smoot L. Smoberg" wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message news:<TZt3b.20665$l41.4330859@twister.neo.rr.com>...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net>, a verified Ken Pangborn sock puppet, wrote
in message news:bii6c6$3058$1@news1.ij.net...
<snip pack of lies>
Yeah, right, Kenny. Have you ever in your miserable fucking *life* told the
truth?
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com can answer your question for you, John.
A bit out of date; the last entry in the Kenny P. timeline is October 1, 2000. Certainly, he's done
*something* worthy of comment in the last three years!
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
Is your faith so weak and your god so powerless
that, without government endorsement of your
religion, all hell will break loose?
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| User: "freedom" |
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27 Aug 2003 02:02:28 PM |
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Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Gault wrote:
Well John, you're a well known one topic zealot who always fails to
listen to facts and reason.
Bob,
Just in case you weren't aware, "John Gault" is a pseudonym for Kenneth
Pangborn, a well-known internet kook, liar and cyberstalker. You'll
probably see him showing up from his various other names to defend himself
here. Just FYI....
Check out http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com for more info (as well as
conclusive proof that "Gault" and Pangborn are the same.)
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| User: "JJGun" |
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28 Aug 2003 05:37:21 PM |
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Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3F4CDB9C.8040906@hotmail.com>...
John Gault wrote:
Well John, you're a well known one topic zealot who always fails to
listen to facts and reason.
Bob, he isn't "John". He is Ken Pangborn who uses the "John Gault"
alias to shill himself. If you need proof take a look at
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com.
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| User: "William Haverly" |
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29 Aug 2003 11:07:29 PM |
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Jesus Christ <Jesus@christ.hvn> wrote in message news:<Xns93E4A62244390fart@206.172.150.13>...
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> :
In their view, particularly Christians
have no "right" to practice their religion at all. The problem is that
most of the media shares their animosity toward religion in general
and Christianity in specific. They argue that allowing Christians the
day off on days like Christmas, Easter, Good Friday discriminates
against those who are not Christians, such as Atheists. And they find
mention of Christmas "offensive" so want it banned, along with
"Christmas" sales, and sales of Christmas gear, such as trees, lights,
mangers and the like. Not just in government buildings, but in
department stores. (Public Accommodations as they say).
Now you're making this stuff up. I thought only the early church fathers
committed pious fraud.
Pastor Frank Ontheway
M. Clark Duke32
If you will check the Google.com archives under some of the other
aliases Ken Pangborn uses besides "John Gault" you will find a lot of
his fradulent claims.
kenpangborn@aol.com, kaiserdrvr@cs.com, bulldogwaw@aol.com,
sebring021@aol.com, to name a few.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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27 Aug 2003 02:32:30 PM |
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John Gault <judgedredd@ij.net> wrote:
And they find mention of Christmas
"offensive" so want it banned, along with "Christmas" sales, and sales of
Christmas gear, such as trees, lights, mangers and the like. Not just in
government buildings, but in department stores.
By making such bald and damning claims as you made above, you were
implicitly assuring readers that you had checked the facts before you
posted. It's not enough to claim that you were merely repeating
information you got elsewhere. When you shirk the responsibility of
confirming what you're saying and you end up telling lies -- as you did
here -- you're no less culpable than the religious propagandists
from whom you learned this pack of nonsense in the first place. Stop
repeating falsehoods. Do your homework next time.
Also, find yourself some method of distinguishing paranoid claptrap from
truth. Nobody wants to ban Christmas, John. You're aware that Scrooge
was a fictional character, right? ;-)
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "John Gault" |
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28 Aug 2003 06:01:04 PM |
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"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
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John Gault <judgedredd@ij.net> wrote:
And they find mention of Christmas "offensive" so want it banned, along
with "Christmas" sales, and sales of Christmas gear, such as trees, lights,
mangers and the like. Not just in government buildings, but in department
stores.
By making such bald and damning claims as you made above, you were
implicitly assuring readers that you had checked the facts before you
posted. It's not enough to claim that you were merely repeating
information you got elsewhere. When you shirk the responsibility of
confirming what you're saying and you end up telling lies -- as you did
here -- you're no less culpable than the religious propagandists
from whom you learned this pack of nonsense in the first place. Stop
repeating falsehoods. Do your homework next time.
There are several (man) "Free Thinker" websites on the net Brian. I
provided links to some that want business to stop the practice of closing on
"Good Friday" "Christmas" "Thanksgiving" "Easter" and the like. There are
more than a dozen sites for chapters of "American Atheists" alone, each have
their own agendas. Then we add in the various lawsuits the ACLU is
promoting. Did I say "all" athesists have this as an agenda? I know
Atheists who don't have a problem with what Moore did in Alabama. I know
others who want him in prison. I pointed to the Freedom From Religion
Foundation website, Mr. Newdow's website as two examples. They have
different agendas. FFRF for example was being harassing a small grocer for
giving members of his church (and others) a free gallon of milk if they had
the coupon from his ad in the sunday church bulletin. In attacking what I
said, in effec t yopu are saying that nothing I said was true. I offered
several links from "Free Thinker" websites that document what I said.
In addition, sir, there was a debate some months ago where the issue of
whether parents had the right to give their children a religious education
came up. After some prodding several people made their strong views known
that they believed that parents should not have "any legal right" to give
their children a religious education. You mistake your own views for most
people who call themselves "Free Thinkers." In my opinion, "Free Thinkers"
are anything but. Certainly they are the most totally closed minded people I
know. Until I had actual relationships with "Free Thinkers" I had thought
religious fundamentalists were the most closed minded people I had
encountered. Frankly with many of the "Free Thinkers" I have come to the
conclusion that in contrast Osamma Bin Laden is much more open minded and
less dogmatic. Just my opinion.
Also, find yourself some method of distinguishing paranoid claptrap from
truth. Nobody wants to ban Christmas, John. You're aware that Scrooge
was a fictional character, right? ;-)
I am aware that Scrooge was fictional, but I have known many scrooge
types in my life. Many of them have called themselves "Free Thinkers."
Frankly, I don't give much of a damn what you believe. Is there one true
religion? Yes! But God has many faces, including the belief that there is no
God, so if you don't believe in God, your God doesn't exist, and that is
fine with me. I was born into a religion that was formed primarily so the
King of the country could get a little more ***** on the side. And throughout
its history it has been a religion that has changed to fit whatever was
convenient in the day up to the present time when it concludes that the
Bible is irrelevant to the faith, that the Bible's day has come and gone. So
I have concluded there is no real reason for me to waste my Sundays on it
when I could be getting laid instead of listening to a minister who doesn't
believe a word he's saying... Membership seems completely pointless to me.
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Alabama: Outlawing free exercize of religion |
29 Aug 2003 02:26:42 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Ken Pangborn in the guise of John Gault wrote:
I know Atheists who don't have a problem with what Moore did in Alabama.
And I know people of faith who are not only very embarrassed, but in
profound disagreement with any public official who would endorse religion.
http://www.bbspot.com/politics/News/2003/08/burning_cross.html
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: Alabama: Outlawing free exercize of religion |
29 Aug 2003 05:06:46 AM |
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1030829022424.6614B-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Ken Pangborn in the guise of John Gault wrote:
I know Atheists who don't have a problem with what Moore did in Alabama.
And I know people of faith who are not only very embarrassed, but in
profound disagreement with any public official who would endorse religion.
From http://www.au.org/religious/religiousgroups.htm
Religious Bodies Which Support Church-State Separation
American Baptist Churches USA
Historically connected to securing religious liberty. Has statements and
resolutions on the principle of separation of church and state, and against
state mandated prayer.
Church of the Brethren
Has a long history of defending the public schools, religious liberty and
the principle of church-state separation. Statements and resolutions have
been adopted.
Episcopal Church in America
Resolutions in support of church-state separation have been adopted.
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Statements on religious liberty, human rights, church-state relations and
Lutheran perspectives on church-state have been written. Resolutions on
Religious Freedom and the Constitution have been adopted.
Friends Committee on National Legislation
Statements on School Prayer and religious freedom have been written. Public
policy statements favor church-state separation.
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Historically supportive of the principle of church-state separation. Adopted
a Resolution in support of church-state separation at 1999 General Assembly.
Mennonite Central Committee
Statements on school prayer have been written. Mennonites have been vocal in
religious liberty issues.
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Has published policy statement in support of religious liberty: God Alone is
Lord of the Conscience.
Seventh Day Adventists
Historically strong supporters of religious liberty and the principle of
church-state separation.
Soka Gakkai International - USA
Statements regarding school prayer have been written. Strong proponents of
church-state separations and religious liberty.
Union of American Hebrew Congregations
Historically strong supporters of religious liberty and the principle of
church-state separation. (Reform Judaism)
United Church of Christ
Has adopted a resolution which encourages the education of member
congregations about the principle of church-state separation. Historically
strong supporters of religious liberty and church-state separation.
Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations
Statements on religious liberty and several religious liberty resolutions
have been adopted. Strong supporters of the principle of church-state
separation.
United Methodist Church
Resoultions, study guides and statements in support of religious liberty and
church-state separation have been written and adopted. Historically
supportive of the principle of church-state separation.
http://www.bbspot.com/politics/News/2003/08/burning_cross.html
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| User: "freedom" |
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| Title: Re: Alabama: Outlawing free exercize of religion |
27 Aug 2003 05:13:48 PM |
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Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
John Gault <judgedredd@ij.net> wrote:
And they find mention of Christmas
"offensive" so want it banned, along with "Christmas" sales, and sales of
Christmas gear, such as trees, lights, mangers and the like. Not just in
government buildings, but in department stores.
By making such bald and damning claims as you made above, you were
implicitly assuring readers that you had checked the facts before you
posted. It's not enough to claim that you were merely repeating
information you got elsewhere. When you shirk the responsibility of
confirming what you're saying and you end up telling lies -- as you did
here -- you're no less culpable than the religious propagandists
from whom you learned this pack of nonsense in the first place. Stop
repeating falsehoods. Do your homework next time.
Also, find yourself some method of distinguishing paranoid claptrap from
truth. Nobody wants to ban Christmas, John. You're aware that Scrooge
was a fictional character, right? ;-)
(laugh) That's not a problem. "John Gault" is a fictional character as
well.....created and maintained by Kenneth Pangborn, internet stalker and
Kook of the Month.
And yes, one of his main tactics is to post bald-faced lies in the hopes
that nobody will check facts for themselves. He's been doing this for
years.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
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| User: "JJGun" |
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| Title: Re: Alabama: Outlawing free exercize of religion |
30 Aug 2003 12:43:47 PM |
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Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message news:<MPG.19b6d20947b5e559989ebc@netnews.comcast.net>...
John Gault <judgedredd@ij.net> wrote:
And they find mention of Christmas
"offensive" so want it banned, along with "Christmas" sales, and sales of
Christmas gear, such as trees, lights, mangers and the like. Not just in
government buildings, but in department stores.
By making such bald and damning claims as you made above, you were
implicitly assuring readers that you had checked the facts before you
posted. It's not enough to claim that you were merely repeating
information you got elsewhere. When you shirk the responsibility of
confirming what you're saying and you end up telling lies -- as you did
here -- you're no less culpable than the religious propagandists
from whom you learned this pack of nonsense in the first place. Stop
repeating falsehoods. Do your homework next time.
Also, find yourself some method of distinguishing paranoid claptrap from
truth. Nobody wants to ban Christmas, John. You're aware that Scrooge
was a fictional character, right? ;-)
Brian, Ken Pangborn takes a beating for his lies from all of his
aliases, the John Gault one included.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Alabama: Outlawing free exercize of religion |
30 Aug 2003 12:46:22 PM |
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On 30 Aug 2003 10:43:47 -0700, (JJGun) wrote:
Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message news:<MPG.19b6d20947b5e559989ebc@netnews.comcast.net>...
John Gault <judgedredd@ij.net> wrote:
And they find mention of Christmas
"offensive" so want it banned, along with "Christmas" sales, and sales of
Christmas gear, such as trees, lights, mangers and the like. Not just in
government buildings, but in department stores.
By making such bald and damning claims as you made above, you were
implicitly assuring readers that you had checked the facts before you
posted. It's not enough to claim that you were merely repeating
information you got elsewhere. When you shirk the responsibility of
confirming what you're saying and you end up telling lies -- as you did
here -- you're no less culpable than the religious propagandists
from whom you learned this pack of nonsense in the first place. Stop
repeating falsehoods. Do your homework next time.
Also, find yourself some method of distinguishing paranoid claptrap from
truth. Nobody wants to ban Christmas, John. You're aware that Scrooge
was a fictional character, right? ;-)
Brian, Ken Pangborn takes a beating for his lies from all of his
aliases, the John Gault one included.
Is there a list of Pangborn's aliarses?
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| User: "William Haverly" |
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| Title: Re: Alabama: Outlawing free exercize of religion |
28 Aug 2003 12:37:23 PM |
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Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message news:<MPG.19b6d20947b5e559989ebc@netnews.comcast.net>...
John Gault <judgedredd@ij.net> wrote:
And they find mention of Christmas
"offensive" so want it banned, along with "Christmas" sales, and sales of
Christmas gear, such as trees, lights, mangers and the like. Not just in
government buildings, but in department stores.
By making such bald and damning claims as you made above, you were
implicitly assuring readers that you had checked the facts before you
posted. It's not enough to claim that you were merely repeating
information you got elsewhere. When you shirk the responsibility of
confirming what you're saying and you end up telling lies -- as you did
here -- you're no less culpable than the religious propagandists
from whom you learned this pack of nonsense in the first place. Stop
repeating falsehoods. Do your homework next time.
Also, find yourself some method of distinguishing paranoid claptrap from
truth. Nobody wants to ban Christmas, John. You're aware that Scrooge
was a fictional character, right? ;-)
You're not responding to any "John". You are responding to liar Ken
Pangborn who hides behind the "John Gault" alias like a coward to
promote, support and shill himself and the stupid malarky he posts on
use net. You will find proof that the two are one at the "John Gault"
link at http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
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