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"Pastor Frank" |
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24 Sep 2005 06:24:53 AM |
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Re: All atheists are deluded |
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Peter Olcott" <olcott@att.net> wrote in message
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"Peter Olcott" <olcott@att.net> wrote in message
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All atheists arrive at their position through the formal error of
reasoning known as the ad ignorantiam fallacy.
No; the "ad ignorantiam fallacy" is your claim about "all atheists" -
AND
your ignorance about what atheism actually means!
It is a conclusion based on less than 100% complete proof,
and based on this alone, they err. Any conclusion based on
less than 100% complete proof is ALWAYS an error!
So besides gods, you must also believe in ghosts, fairies, leprechauns and
goblins. Gotcha.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
God equated with fairies and ghosts etc.? That merely proves, that the
god of your definition doesn't exist. Ours does, and who became knowable and
visible through Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. That is why we post to
Christian NGs exclusively.
Why are you trolling here? I will add your home groups to the above
header, so they can see what you are up to here.
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| User: "Eru Ilúvatar" |
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| Title: Re: I AM A CHRIST AND I SAY GEORGE W BUSH AND COMPANY ARE SATANIC PIPSQUEAKS!! SOUND FILE |
23 Oct 2005 12:20:51 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote in the great white north:
I don't see your interpretation having any connection with Rev 17:12
Well, I just don't see you being anything very bright. You really
should find something new to read--that book you obsess on
doesn't hold the truth. Anybody saying it does is either wrong or
lying.
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| User: "oblivious" |
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| Title: Re: I AM A BWAHAHAHAHAHACHRIST AND I SAY GEORGE W BUSH AND COMPANY ARE SATANIC PIPSQUEAKS!! SOUND FILE |
23 Oct 2005 08:40:32 AM |
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"TRUTH" <GiantPencil@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| User: "oblivious" |
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| Title: Re: I AM A FUCKING LIAR CHRIST AND I SAY GEORGE W BUSH AND COMPANY ARE SATANIC PIPSQUEAKS!! SOUND FILE |
23 Oct 2005 08:35:39 AM |
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"The Mirror!" <svslick6996@aol.com> wrote in message
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******SPV........I not only hold the truth I am the truth, but just
because I can't put it into words is not a weakness but a state of the
truth. You cannot put the truth into words because words are not vast
enough. You can put the truth into feeling. But nobody feels but me
so I end up with the truth and everyone else will tell you they know
the truth. I am the truth.
fucking liar
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| User: "TRUTH" |
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| Title: God_Us_Creation_You explained for the non-believer |
23 Oct 2005 08:12:05 AM |
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Well, I just don't see you being anything very bright. You
really should find something new to read--that book you
obsess on doesn't hold the truth. Anybody saying it does is
either wrong or lying.
I must say I'm abit disapointed with Pastor Frank's absence and lack of
retort. So therefore in order to continue the argument I'll come up
with something in defense of the Pastor.
So as Eru says I'll draw a web of lie's and deciet which Eru calls the
Bible, why not give it a try see if I can fool you :) Raymond trys to,
at least I claim to not be God. I mean after all, He's probably passed
away :-) Or out roaming the cosmos somewhere.
So to discuss the truth we should get some statement to decide what the
truth is.
Taken from a Philosophical Dictionary
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truth and validity
In philosophical discussions, only arguments can be valid. Not
points, objections, beliefs, or claims.
Claims, beliefs, and statements are true or false.
Don't call a claim "valid." Don't call an inference or an argument
"true."
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In reference to this Eru is completely right, Pastor Frank will not be
able to discern the Truth by reading the Bible, he can claim truth,
this is faith in something that isn't there or is it?
So as a Christian I also believe Pastor Frank's view is correct. Faith
and works, buys you the right to salvation something like that. No
entry fee(bit of a joke).
In fact we discern good from evil at a very early age, perhaps before
birth. But discerning Truth is a decision we make. Most people get
confused because we don't understand truth. Most people believe being
bad gets you ahead in life, and it seems to in most circumstances, so
why not? This must be the truth the way?
Is Truth, a distinction between good and evil?
Taken from a Philosophical Dictionary
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falsehood and fallacy
A fallacy is an error in one's inferences or argument. A falsehood
is an error in the claims one makes.
Claims, beliefs, and statements are true or false. Only inferences
and arguments can be fallacious.
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It seems not because the bible does contain errors?
But I believe the Bible does have the Truth in it, you just read it in
a particular manner and discern truth for yourself.
Here is my argument, if you decide what is true is false and what is
false is true. Then you know that neither claim is true. i.e. the
Bible is full of lies.
But understand the Bible is full of truth because it is balanced
towards the Truth, therefore the falsehood's and fallacy can be
removed. Leaving only Truth.
Here's the logical explanation, the Bible is balanced and was rewritten
by Bible bashers round 200AD right?
They believed in a Truth, so they balance the Bible this way
mathmatically. The OT is True and False and True, and the NT is True
and False and True.
To the casual observer they will never understand this nonsense, but
basically they made the Bible balanced a certain way so they're Truth
would also be preached, well hopefully :) Often it is preacher to
preserve the preacher and the *Church* or *Church building*, hang on
isn't the Church in one's heart. Just a little dig here and there
keeps it interesting wink :)
And I completely understand if you believe this is bullocks. Because
frankly people created the Bible that way, they broke the commandment
which is in revelations.
This cannot be argued, because it was done, it is documented.
It was meant to be a wise decision and probably done to control the
masses, hell bent on killing each other. They probably added, the
clause in revelations to, after all doesn't the bible say the Word is
Living?
The bible is a collection of books inspired by man and God.
God is real He wouldn't make it easy to understand Truth, and who will
get it right all of the time anyway?
Everyday you a faced with facing the Truth.
Advertising, family, relationships, work all events cause you to make a
decision. You decide if a good action or a bad action will lead to the
best outcome. Sometimes the bad action will give you the best short
term outcome, but will you be blameless? Will you feel guilt?
Perhaps some people enjoy guilt and enjoy bad action, I think not,
although this is decided at the time the best course of action. But of
course some people are slightly wacko, in fact everyone is wacko now
and then. This is called being handed a dud life. Though we must face
our problems and overcome. Sounds like a bible speech :)
I believe the Truth is in the Bible and can be found by reading it, but
Christians read other books, Eru tends to suggest Christians don't.
I find this very hard to believe, but I would believe that Christians
ignore the falsehood's in the Bible and only accept the Truth.
I mean really Eve sleeping with Adam? God cursing man because they are
like God? Go forth multiply fill the earth? Sleep with yourself ya de
dar de.
Christians should read other materials and understand other arguments.
Although not all Christians are interested in that, they know the
Truth, why do they need more knowledge? After all most expect to get
beemed up to heaven after death. Or down to hell if they've been bad.
How this happens is unexplainable, but I believe if you read and
understand truth you will see the light. Heck I think most Christians
don't study the Bible to much :)
Maybe the Masonic knights, hold the true scriptures?
Although some Christians believe Masonic knights are devil worshippers.
Is this true? I don't know, apparently they're not and they're
protectors of the truth.
God created Mankind and they became like Him.
He made them like gods instead of Gods.
God esstenially cursed us and until we lead blameless lives.
We remain cursed, that's if God does meddle with our affairs.
Gen 3v22 LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us to
know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of
the tree of life and eat and live forever."
Hmm right so we eat some and become enlightened, seems
reasonable(chuckle, chuckle).
Gen 3v24 .... and a flaming sword which turned every way to guard the
way to the tree of life
So a sword is going to stop Us(we're like God remeber), hmm this is
abit far fetched don't you think?
But think of it this way, the eating of the apple could be like sex.
After all God does say Eve you will have sex and recreate I'll multiple
your sorrows.
Anyway maybe that isn't true? But according to the Book Bible it is.
God is invisible, but He isn't, you'll need to read the Bible more
closely to understand. Or just watch the island great movie.
Gen3v5 -
Between your seed and her Seed
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.
Do you get that? Eve and Adam aren't God but Eve's child is God, hence
the uppercase and God declaring Eve's Son shall be God. (I'm guessing
this is the second son, and if you read the story of Jacob you may
understand but maybe not :) )
So Cain and Abel, Cain Adams son kills Abel Eve's son.
That wasn't to good Cain just killed God?
Or made himself god, when he was a God.
So this is the Truth, there is one God which is the true heir to God.
And that is the Son of God. God will choose the man which is
blameless, or is it based purely on DNA and because God favours that
person?
Or is it just the righteous that are God's? Make's sense to me they
ask for people's money and say it is going to God. This is a little
deceptive though :-) But God is so why shouldn't His people be?
Rather entertaining read? Don't take it to seriously, after all the
Bible is just a book is it not?
Sorry for all the bible prattling, it's just fun to humour those
Christians every now and then.
And I don't expect anyone to read it because your all to caught up in
arguing.
Once you get about 2 paragraphs it gets to boring.
Delayed gratification is a great thing.
My blog.
http://kingdaviddeathknight.blogspot.com/
Here is a man that was known for the Truth - perhaps this is a lie
though?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-10/22/content_3666193.htm
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| User: "Eru Ilúvatar" |
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| Title: Re: All atheists are deluded |
13 Oct 2005 06:10:05 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
God equated with fairies and ghosts etc.?
Yep, that's how it is.
That merely proves, that the
god of your definition doesn't exist.
There no evidence that your silly god exists either. In fact there's
lots of evidence against that god's existence.
Ours does,
*****. You silly god can't even get the value of Pi correct.
And if it is so all powerful, why the need for a rest day? For
that matter why is you god's ego so fragile that it can't handle
anybody not bowing down to it?
Religion would be funny if it wasn't for all the death and suffering
it causes. I find you disgusting.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: All atheists are deluded |
24 Sep 2005 05:58:06 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> posting the following on Sat, 24 Sep
2005 07:24:53 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
God equated with fairies and ghosts etc.? That merely proves, that the
god of your definition doesn't exist. Ours does, and who became knowable and
visible through Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. That is why we post to
Christian NGs exclusively.
This post was sent to: alt.christian.religion, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.i-hate.christians,
alt.stupid.religious.discussion, alt.*****.the.skull.of.jesus,
alt.antichristnet, and alt.atheism.
Frank lies, or he's too stupid to trim the headers. Which is it
Frank?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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