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Hotel Charlie One <hotel_charlie_one@yahoo.com> wrote:

:|ambrosesearle@yahoo.com wrote in
:|news:1153366819.614079.211490@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
:|
:|> Hotel Charlie One wrote:
:|>>
:|>> I still haven't seen you admit the "E Pluribus Unum" *was* the
:|>> nation'a motto before it was changed to "In God We Trust".
:|>
:|> E Pluribus Unum was never the national motto. It was one of three
:|> mottos that was included on the Seal of the United States adopted in
:|> 1782.
:|>
:|> The other two mottos that share the distinction are
:|>
:|> Annuit Coeptis="God has favored our beginning"
:|>
:|> and
:|>
:|> Novus Ordo Seclorum="A New Order of the Ages"
:|>
:|> It is just as wrongheaded to state that Annuit Coeptis was the
:|> national motto before In God We Trust became it.
:|>
:|> The fact that E Pluribus Unum was NEVER the national motto was
:|> clearly stated by Congress in 1956. The House of Representatives
:|> reported, "at the present the United States has no national motto."
:|>
:|> Source: Congressional Record: House Report, 84th Congress, 1959
:|> (1956), p. 1.
:|>
:|> I trust that you will do as you expect others to do and "admit" your
:|> error.
:|>
:|I most certainly will, if your statement can be verified. I will take
:|the Congressional record over anything found on the web. That being
:|said, I used Wikipedia under "E Pluribus Unum" which states:

You are dealing with a theocrat, unethical one at that. a liar, a game
player, etc
Do a google groups search for Richard Gardiner, Ambrose Searle Cartmanesq
and you will see what I mean.
he will not engage in a valid discussion with you, instead he will paly
all sorts of games with you
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
.

User: ""
Title: Re: An Atheist Disagrees with Mr. Clifton, AHH-GAIN	21 Jul 2006 03:26:56 PM

wrote:

:|I most certainly will, if your statement can be verified. I will take
:|the Congressional record over anything found on the web. That being
:|said, I used Wikipedia under "E Pluribus Unum" which states:

You are dealing with a theocrat, unethical one at that. a liar, a game
player, etc

LOL
.... coming from a fellow who calls himself a "reverend" because he has
a mail-order "ordination."
.... coming from a fellow who advocates contacting the employer, family
members, etc. of a newsgroup participant and harrassing them for taking
Buckeye to task about his multitude of factual errors
.... coming from a fellow who makes demonstrably false claims about what
Jefferson said, wrote, etc. (oh, I see you've backed off on that
"Jefferson's Declaration never used the word Creator" claim).
.... coming from a fellow who can't seem to do anything but belittle
those with whom he disagrees. (all one has to do is look at your
posting history to see your immature bullying). Who has been your
insult target recently? Strickland?
.... coming from a fellow who spends more time insisting he knows the
"real" identity of a newsgroup participant than he does interacting
meaninfully
and, lest I forget
.... coming from a fellow who proudly advertises himself as Newdow's
henchman (Newdow's favorability with the public is just below that of
O.J. Simpson).
And now you want to claim that "E Pluribus Unum" was THE OFFICIAL
national motto? Even your buddy Newdow is only willing to claim that it
was the "de facto" motto (like the U.S. is a "de facto" Protestant
Nation).
Go ahead, make my day. Show me in the record where the U.S. Government
adopted E Pluribus Unum as THE national motto.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: An Atheist Disagrees with Mr. Clifton, AHH-GAIN	22 Jul 2006 02:33:37 PM

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From: buckeye-ELO - view profile
Date: Wed, Feb 4 2004 6:54 am
Groups: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.constitution,
alt.education, alt.religion.christian, alt.society.liberalism,
misc.education, alt.politics.usa.republican
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f4ec081ab3357631?hl=en&
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X35B2127D
[excerpt]
[To]
ambrosesea...@yahoo.com (ambrose searle)
FROM ME:
The Two Mottos of the United States ....................510
E. Pluribus Unum...................................................510
In God We trust.....................................................514
I only copied pages 514 to 520
But I did copy the table of contents and that is where the above it from.
Carol at UWM copied the some if not all of the pages from 510 up
I will return to Regent today and copy the pages 510 to 514 as well so that
I have them also for some updating to the motto article on our web site.
So you see sonny, despite your huffing and puffing and denials and all that
game playing E. Pluribus Unum has been a National Motto of these here
United States. YOU GOT CAUGHT AGAIN
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FROM CAROL LEE SMITH
See page 510 of THE EAGLE AND THE SHIELD, previously mentioned in this
venue.
"As related in Chapter II, PIerre Eugene Du Simitiere, consultant to the
first committee on a device for a Great Seal, proposed a design that
included the motto <ital> E Pluribus Unum. <ital> That motto formed part
of the committee's report to Congress on August 20, 1776, and it carried
over into the deisgn Congress adopted on June 20, 1782. the device of the
obverse then adopted naturally became the coat of arms of the united
States (See Chapter XX), and the motto of the obverse became the motto of
the United States. On the beginning of government under the Constitution,
the act of Congress approved September 15, 1789, (1) which declared the
seal of 1782 to be the seal of the United States, in effect made the
device of the obverse the national coat of arms under the new regime and
its motto the national motto."
And on the next page:
"The motto <ital> E Plurbus Unum <ital> has appeard continuously since
1790 on the seals of the United States Supreme Court and the Department of
State, and for a varying number of years on the seals of the President,
the Vice President, the Senate, the States of Michigan and Wisconsin, and
the Virgin Islands. (8) It is inscribed also on the flag of North Dakota.
Implicit in such use is an understanding that the phrase is the motto of
the United States.
On American coins the phrase was used as early as 1786 on the New Jersey
<ital> Immunis Columbia <ital> cent; (9) and Totten pictures it on some
other coins of the Continental Contress period. (10) It was first used
by the United STates MInt on coins of the late 1790's, and it is on coins
of various issues from that time to the present. [begin page 512] An act
of Congress approved February 12, 1873, required that <ital> E Pluribus
Unum <ital> be placed on certain coins. (11)
"Noah Webster inserted the phrase in his dictionary in 1841, stating that
it was the motto of the United States; and until 1959 the successor
Merriam-Webster dictionaries so characterized it. The G. & C. Merriam
Company has written on the subject as follows: ... [if you want that, I
will key it in]"
"Thus for nearly 120 years a leading American reference book informed the
American people that the motto of their nation was <ital> E Pluribus Unum.
<ital.>
[If you want the footnotes, I will key them in]
Any typos are my fault, and are certainly not intentional.
If your library doesn't have THE EAGLE AND THE SHIELD (Dept. of State
American Revolution Bicentennial Adminstration), you can probably get it
through interlibrary loan.
***************************************************************
AND
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NATIONAL MOTTO
************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
.

User: ""
Title: Re: An Atheist Disagrees with Mr. Clifton, AHH-GAIN	21 Jul 2006 04:50:44 PM

wrote:

And now you want to claim that "E Pluribus Unum" was THE OFFICIAL
national motto? Even your buddy Newdow is only willing to claim that it
was the "de facto" motto (like the U.S. is a "de facto" Protestant
Nation).

Go ahead, make my day. Show me in the record where the U.S. Government
adopted E Pluribus Unum as THE national motto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum
http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_mott.htm
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011112-4.html
.

User: ""
Title: Re: An Atheist Disagrees with Mr. Clifton, AHH-GAIN	21 Jul 2006 05:26:47 PM

wrote:

ambrosesearle@yahoo.com wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum

Do you know who writes wikipedia?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_mott.htm

An ideologically biased and erroneous site

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011112-4.html

Ah, so George W. Bush is your authority for matters of fact? Does that
go for his proclamations about God, etc., too?
Now, here is an authoritative source:
Congressional Record: House Report, 84th Congress #1959 (1956),
p. 1.
"At present the United States has no national motto. It is most
appropriate that 'In God We Trust' be so designated."
.

User: ""
Title: Re: An Atheist Disagrees with Mr. Clifton, AHH-GAIN	22 Jul 2006 02:17:19 PM

wrote:

:|lanruvi2@yahoo.com wrote:
:|>

From: buckeye-ELO - view profile
Date: Wed, Feb 4 2004 6:54 am
Groups: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.constitution,
alt.education, alt.religion.christian, alt.society.liberalism,
misc.education, alt.politics.usa.republican
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f4ec081ab3357631?hl=en&
[excerpt]
[To]
ambrosesea...@yahoo.com (ambrose searle)
FROM ME:
The Two Mottos of the United States ....................510
E. Pluribus Unum...................................................510
In God We trust.....................................................514
I only copied pages 514 to 520
But I did copy the table of contents and that is where the above it from.
Carol at UWM copied the some if not all of the pages from 510 up
I will return to Regent today and copy the pages 510 to 514 as well so that
I have them also for some updating to the motto article on our web site.
So you see sonny, despite your huffing and puffing and denials and all that
game playing E. Pluribus Unum has been a National Motto of these here
United States. YOU GOT CAUGHT AGAIN
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FROM CAROL LEE SMITH
See page 510 of THE EAGLE AND THE SHIELD, previously mentioned in this
venue.
"As related in Chapter II, PIerre Eugene Du Simitiere, consultant to the
first committee on a device for a Great Seal, proposed a design that
included the motto <ital> E Pluribus Unum. <ital> That motto formed part
of the committee's report to Congress on August 20, 1776, and it carried
over into the deisgn Congress adopted on June 20, 1782. the device of the
obverse then adopted naturally became the coat of arms of the united
States (See Chapter XX), and the motto of the obverse became the motto of
the United States. On the beginning of government under the Constitution,
the act of Congress approved September 15, 1789, (1) which declared the
seal of 1782 to be the seal of the United States, in effect made the
device of the obverse the national coat of arms under the new regime and
its motto the national motto."
And on the next page:
"The motto <ital> E Plurbus Unum <ital> has appeard continuously since
1790 on the seals of the United States Supreme Court and the Department of
State, and for a varying number of years on the seals of the President,
the Vice President, the Senate, the States of Michigan and Wisconsin, and
the Virgin Islands. (8) It is inscribed also on the flag of North Dakota.
Implicit in such use is an understanding that the phrase is the motto of
the United States.
On American coins the phrase was used as early as 1786 on the New Jersey
<ital> Immunis Columbia <ital> cent; (9) and Totten pictures it on some
other coins of the Continental Contress period. (10) It was first used
by the United STates MInt on coins of the late 1790's, and it is on coins
of various issues from that time to the present. [begin page 512] An act
of Congress approved February 12, 1873, required that <ital> E Pluribus
Unum <ital> be placed on certain coins. (11)
"Noah Webster inserted the phrase in his dictionary in 1841, stating that
it was the motto of the United States; and until 1959 the successor
Merriam-Webster dictionaries so characterized it. The G. & C. Merriam
Company has written on the subject as follows: ... [if you want that, I
will key it in]"
"Thus for nearly 120 years a leading American reference book informed the
American people that the motto of their nation was <ital> E Pluribus Unum.
<ital.>
[If you want the footnotes, I will key them in]
Any typos are my fault, and are certainly not intentional.
If your library doesn't have THE EAGLE AND THE SHIELD (Dept. of State
American Revolution Bicentennial Adminstration), you can probably get it
through interlibrary loan.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************

.

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Title: Re: An Atheist Disagrees with Mr. Clifton, AHH-GAIN	22 Jul 2006 02:17:33 PM

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:|lanruvi2@yahoo.com wrote:
:|>

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NATIONAL MOTTO
*******************************************************
Worldatlas.com
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/usflag.htm
National Motto
On July 30, 1956, a law was passed stating that "the national motto of the
United States is hereby declared to be, In God We Trust." The House
Judiciary Committee also rightfully recognized that the popular phrase E
Pluribus Unum had also received wide usage in the United States during the
Revolution, and the joint resolution did not repeal or prohibit its use as
a national motto.
In 1963 the Department of State took the following position: "In God We
Trust" is the motto of the United States, nevertheless, there is ample
opinion and thought both in history and law for calling "E Pluribus Unum" a
motto of the United States. Since then the Congress has used both.
E Pluribus Unum means "out of many, one". It comes from a popular
publication during revolutionary times entitled Gentleman's Magazine which
carried that legend upon the title page.
**************************************************************
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/36/302.html
US CODE COLLECTION
TITLE 36 > Subtitle I > Part A > CHAPTER 3 > Sec. 302.
Sec. 302. - National motto
''In God we trust'' is the national motto.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/36/302.notes.html
US CODE COLLECTION
TITLE 36 > Subtitle I > Part A > CHAPTER 3 > Sec. 302.
Notes on Sec. 302.
SOURCE
Pub. L. 105-225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263.
Historical and Revision Notes
Revised Section Source (U.S. Code) Source (Statutes at Large)
302 36:186. July 30, 1956, ch. 795, 70 Stat. 732.
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KINDLY NOTE THE YEAR IN GOD WE TRUST BECAME
THE NATIONAL MOTTO -- 1956 Not 1776 or 1787 or 1791.
Not even 1800 or 1850 or 1900 but rather 1956
**********************************************************
The United States Postal Service is "Going Postal" once again!
POSTAL SERVICE CAVES, PLANS NATIONWIDE DISPLAY OF RELIGIONIZED
"IN GOD WE TRUST" NATIONAL MOTTO
http://www.valleyskeptic.com/going_postal.html
********************************************************************
THE WALL
A syndicated column on church and state and other issues from a liberal
perspective.
http://www.thewall-onchurchandstate.com/a_motto_for_the_new_millenniu...
*******************************************************************
IDEA 2
http://www.teachingaboutreligion.org/MiniCourse/Lesson4/idea_2.htm
**************************************************************
RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE.ORG
http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_mott.htm
THE U.S. NATIONAL MOTTOS:
Their history & constitutionality
****************************************************************
For some general information:
A Study Guide to the History of United States Symbols and Mottos
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/studygd5.htm
[The URL directly above contains the following as well as additional
material
------------------------------------------------
Latin Mottoes on the Great Seal
http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/index.html
E Pluribus Unum
"Out of Many, One"
On the scroll carried in the Eagle's mouth...
Annuit Coeptis
"Providence has Favored Our Undertakings"
Above the Eye surrounded by a golden Glory...
Novus Ordo Seclorum
"A New Order of the Ages"
Beneath the unfinished Pyramid...
------------------------------------------------
http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/blazon.html
Thomson's Remarks and Explanation
The Escutcheon [shield] is composed of the chief & pale, the two most
honorable ordinaries. The Pieces, paly, represent the several states all
joined in one solid compact entire, supporting a Chief, which unites the
whole & represents Congress. The Motto alludes to this union. The pales in
the arms are kept closely united by the chief and the Chief depends upon
that union & the strength resulting from it for its support, to denote the
Confederacy of the United States of America & the preservation of their
union through Congress.
The colours of the pales are those used in the flag of the United States of
America; White signifies purity and innocence, Red, hardiness & valor, and
Blue, the colour of the Chief signifies vigilance, perseverance & justice.
The Olive branch and arrows denote the power of peace & war which is
exclusively vested in Congress. The Constellation denotes a new State
taking its place and rank among other sovereign powers. The Escutcheon is
born on the breast of an American Eagle without any other supporters to
denote that the United States of America ought to rely on their own
Virtue.–
Reverse. The pyramid signifies Strength and Duration: The Eye over it & the
Motto allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favour of
the American cause. The date underneath is that of the Declaration of
Independence and the words under it signify the beginning of the new
American Æra, which commences from that date.–
------------------------------------------------
http://:www.greatseal.com/
Creating the Great Seal of the United States
1776 to 1782
You probably know how challenging it can be to come up with a logo for your
team or your club, your business or your product. Imagine if you were given
the task of designing the symbol that would represent your entire nation to
the rest of the world, as well as to the future citizens of your own
country.
This is what the founders of America had to do in 1776. They began the
process on July fourth, the same day independence was declared. It took six
years to finalize the design, and involved some of the most fertile minds
of the time. Their fascinating early ideas can help us better understand
the thinking that went into the Great Seal that represents the United
States today.
First Committee (July 1776)
http://www.greatseal.com/committees/firstcomm/index.html
Second Committee (March 1780)
http://www.greatseal.com/committees/secondcomm/index.html
Third Committee (May 1782)
http://www.greatseal.com/committees/thirdcomm/index.html
Final Design (June 1782)
http://www.greatseal.com/committees/finaldesign/index.html
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http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761573010_1/United_States_(Overvi...
Article Outline
Introduction; E Pluribus Unum: The American Experience; United States
Geography; United States People; United States Culture; United States
Economy; United States Government; United States History
I Introduction
United States (Overview), United States of America, popularly referred to
as the United States or as America, a federal republic on the continent of
North America, consisting of 48 contiguous states and the noncontiguous
states of Alaska and Hawaii. The United States is discussed in seven
articles: this overview, as well as separate articles on United States
(Geography), United States (People), United States (Culture), United States
(Economy), United States (Government), and United States (History).
These six topics—geography, people, culture, economy, government, and
history—comprise the interrelated elements of the nation’s experience.
Geography is the first element because landforms, resources, and climate
affected how people who came to the United States formed new societies.
People, in all their variety, are the second element because they formed
communities and built a society. The next three elements are major parts of
that society—its culture, economy, and government. History tells the story
of how people created a society. It details how people adapted to
geographical settings, how they constructed and changed their economy and
government, and how their culture changed along the way. Thus all of the
six topics—geography, people, culture, economy, government, and
history—form a progression of interconnected topics.
II E Pluribus Unum: The American Experience
E Pluribus Unum is the United States motto, appearing on the nation’s coins
and paper money, and on many of its public monuments. It means “From many,
one.” First used to unify the 13 British colonies in North America during
the American Revolution (1775-1783), this phrase acquired new meaning when
the United States received wave after wave of immigrants from many lands.
These immigrants had to find ways to reconcile their varied backgrounds and
fit together under a constitution and a set of laws. That process of
creating one society out of many different backgrounds is one of the
biggest stories of the American experience.
“What then is the American, this new man?” asked one of thousands of
immigrants who came to North America in the 18th century. “He is an
American, who leaving behind him all his ancient prejudices and manners,
receives new ones from the new mode of life he has embraced, the new
government he obeys, and the new rank he holds. The American is a new man,
who acts upon new principles…Here individuals of all nations are melted
into a new race of men.”
Michel Guillaume Jean de Crèvecoeur, who wrote under the pseudonym J.
Hector St. John, wrote these words more than 200 years ago. In 1759, at the
age of 24, Crèvecoeur emigrated from France to the American colonies.
Learning English quickly and making a success of himself as a farmer in
upstate New York, he married an English woman and became a celebrated
observer of the American scene. Amazed at the mingling of people from many
parts of the world, Crèvecoeur pointed to a family headed by an Englishman
who had married a Dutch woman, whose son married a French woman, and whose
four sons had each married a woman of a different nationality. “From this
promiscuous breed that race now called Americans have arisen,” he
proclaimed.
A hundred years later, on the other side of the continent, Harriette Lane
Levy wrote of growing up as a Jew. In her San Francisco neighborhood, she
remembered, “The baker was German; the fish man, Italian; the grocer, a
Jew; the butcher, Irish; the steam laundryman, a New Englander. The
vegetable vendor and the regular laundryman who came to the house were
Chinese.”
The United States began as an immigrant society, and it has continued to be
a mingling of immigrants ever since. Even Native Americans, the first
people to live in North America, descended from people who arrived from
Asia many thousands of years ago. Since 1820, 63 million immigrants have
arrived in the United States. Never in the history of the world has a
country been braided together from so many strands of people arriving with
different languages, histories, and cultures.
How could a nation of such diversity meld together so many different
humans? Alexis de Tocqueville, another Frenchman who traveled to the United
States, was fascinated with this question. He knew that the nation had to
find some kind of glue to bind together so many different peoples. He found
that glue in the American political system that had developed by the
1830s—a politics of participation based on the notion that to be legitimate
and lasting, a government had to derive its power from the people. These
principles were part of the political system created by the Declaration of
Independence and the Constitution of the United States. This system aimed
to create “one federated whole,” but this was an ideal yet to be
accomplished. Today, the American people are still reaching for that ideal.
The goal of E pluribus unum has been closely connected with an ongoing
debate: What is the meaning of the three resounding words that open the
Constitution of the United States—“We, the people.” Every generation has
faced the question, How wide is the circle of “we”? The various answers to
that question have defined the degree of democracy in the United States.
Creating one from the many, then, has been inseparable from deciding how
democratic the nation will be.
Accordingly, a second theme of this set of articles on the United States is
the growth of democracy in the nation and in its institutions and culture.
This process has sometimes been tumultuous and often dramatic. The
idealistic agenda set forth by the Founding Fathers—that all men are
created equal and are endowed with certain inalienable rights, including
life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness—remains the standard by which
we judge ourselves.
These two themes help connect the various parts of the American experience,
each of which is described in one of the six articles on the United States.
Each of the articles is one part of the jigsaw puzzle that is the American
experience. The puzzle forms a picture, which can only be fully understood
when all the pieces are in place.
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Great Seal Mottoes
Annuit Coeptis
Providence Has Favored Our Undertakings
http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/coeptis.html
In the zenith of an unfinished pyramid on the reverse side of the Great
Seal is "an Eye in a triangle, surrounded with a glory... Over the Eye
these words 'Annuit Coeptis'."
The Latin phrase annuit coeptis has been traced to Virgil, the renowned
Roman poet who lived in the first century B.C. His epic masterpiece, the
Aeneid, contains the phrase: Jupiter omnipotens, audacibus annue coeptis.
(All-powerful Jupiter, favor [my] daring undertakings.)
Also, in Virgil's Georgics are the words: Da facilem cursum, atque
audacibus annue coeptis. (Give [me] an easy course, and favor [my] daring
undertakings.)
Charles Thomson changed the first person imperative annue to the third
person annuit. In the motto Annuit Coeptis, the subject of the verb must be
supplied, and the translator must also choose the tense. Thomson explained:
"The pyramid signifies Strength and Duration: the Eye over it & the
Motto allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favour of
the American cause."
The Eye is therefore the missing subject.
According to the U.S. State Department, the translation is:
"It [the eye of providence] has favored our undertakings"
Variations include:
Providence is favorable to our undertakings.
God has favored our undertakings.
He favors our undertakings.
NOTE: Annuit does not mean "to announce" (annuntio).
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Intermediate Form Annuit Coeptis
http://tom.idealog.info/blog/20030319-1048118887.shtml
One that I like is found as part of the great seal, on the back of the one
dollar bill. It's Latin, the phrase "annuit coeptis". It's meaning is
somewhat vague, as it's lacking a subject. It means [something] favors our
undertakings.
It can be interpreted in many ways, to say things like "God favors our
undertakings", "Fortune favors our undertakings", or even "The great
pumpkin favors our undertakings". The founders deliberately left it vague,
and that vagueness appeals to me, in these uncertain times.
It's my expression of choice to express hope for the future. Annuit
coeptis.
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 by Likehistory:
http://tom.idealog.info/blog/20030319-1048118887.shtml
I read the previous comment about the original Founders not putting "annuit
coeptis", the pyramid, etc. on the dollar bill. That is true. However, that
symbol is actually the obverse side of the Great Seal of the United States,
as formalized in 1782 and designed by Charles Thomson. Thomson was
commissioned by the committee of Congress authorized to come up with a seal
design. The three-member committee consisted of: Thomas Jefferson, John
Adams, and Ben Franklin. Seems to me you couldn't come up with a group more
representative of the Founders unless G. Washington had been included!
Both phrases on the seal are taken from Virgil's Aeneid, thus identifying
the American Republic with the virtues of the ancient Roman Republic.
"Annuit Coeptis" comes from Virgil's lines, "Jupiter omnipotens, audacibus
annue coeptis" (All-powerful Jupiter, favor my daring undertakings). "Novus
ordo Seclorum" comes from another Virgil quote, "magnus ab integro seclorum
nascitur ordo" (A mighty order of ages is born anew),referring to the birth
of the Roman Republic. Charles Thomson explained that the pyramid sugnifies
strength and duration and the eye and the motto ," ... allude to the many
signal interpositions of Providence in favor of the American cause". He
also stated that the date underneath the pyramid "...is that of the
Declaration of Independence and the words beneath it signify the beginning
of the new American era, which commences from that date." So much for the
"occult" origins of our national symbolism. To understand them you have to
appreciate how closely akin the Founders felt to the example and symbolism
of ancient Greece and Rome.
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Study Guide: The Roots of American Democracy
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/studygd8.htm
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Roots of American Law
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/histlaw.htm
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http://www.cix.co.uk/~craftings/doll.htm
Newsgroups: alt.freemasonry
From: Bill Maddox

Subject: Re: Dollar Bill
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997
In reply to Michael Junior, who wrote:

I have heard that there is symbolism on the Dollar bill that means
a lot to masons. Is that true?

Question for you - where did you hear it???
The Pyramid on the Great Seal of the United States
From THE EAGLE AND THE SHIELD - A History of the Great Seal of the United
States (1976), page 75, we find Charles Thomson's notes on his design - A
pyramid unfinished - In the Zenith an Eye in a triangle ... Over the Eye
these words Annuit coeptis ... and underneath [the pyramid] these words
Novus Ordo seclorum." The pyramid was taken from an earlier design of
William Barton (shown on page 67) that had a different motto DEO FAVENTE
(God favoring) PERENNIS (through the years). This, in turn, was similar to
the design of a Fifty Dollar bill designed by Francis Hopkinson. Thomson
wrote the following: "The pyramid signifies Strength and Duration: The Eye
over it & Motto allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in
favour of the American cause. The date underneath is that of the
Declaration of Independence and the words under
it signify the beginnings of the New American Era, which commences from
that date." P85.
P89. "The two mottoes which Thomson suggested, and Congress adapted, for
the reverse ... can be traced more definitely to the poetry of Virgil.
Gaillard Hunt, in the Department of States first publisher on the seal in
1892, took official notice .... Annuit Coeptis, was described by Hunt as an
allusion to line 625 of book IX of the Aeneid JUPPITER OMNIPOTES, AUDACIBUS
ANNUE COEPTIS (All-powerful Jupiter favor [my] daring undertakings). The
last three words appear also in Virgil's GEORGICS, book I, line 40: DA
FACILEM CURSUM, ATQUE AUDACIBUS ANNUE COEPTIS (Give [me] an easy course,
and favor [my] daring undertakings).
Thompson changed the imperative ANNUE to ANNUIT, the third person singular
form of the same verb in either the present tense of the perfect tense. The
the motto ANNUIT COEPTIS the subject of the verb must be supplied, and the
translator must also choose the tense. In his 1892 brochure, Hunt suggested
that the missing subject was in effect the eye at the apex of the pyramid
.... and he translated the motto-in the present tense-as "it (the Eye of
Providence) is favorable to our undertakings." In later publication the
missing subject of the verb ANNUIT was construed to be God, and the motto
has been translated in more recent Department publication-in the perfect
tense- as "He (God) has favored our undertakings".
P90. NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM, Hunt noted an allusion to line 5 of Virgil's
ECLOGUE IV, which read in an eighteenth-century edition : "MAGNUS AB
INTEGRO SECLORUM NASITUR ORDO". Hunt translated this line as "The great
series of ages begins anew" and translated the motto as "a new order of
centuries." More recently, "a new order of the ages."
P91. Hunt stated that the words ANNUIT COEPTIS NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM had
"commonly been taken as one motto, meaning 'the new series of ages is
favorable to our undertakings'", but he pointed out that it was evident
from Thomson's comments that the "intention was to have two mottoes."
P529 - Did Freemasonry Influence the Great Seal Design?
Because membership records for the Revolutionary period are scattered and
imperfect, it is not possible to ascertain with certainty which persons
among the 14 who participated in the designing of the Great Seal were
Masons and which were not. Conrad Hahn, Ex Sec of the MSA of the US has
furnished the following.
1. Definitely a Mason: Bro. Ben Franklin.
2. Definitely not: John Adams and Charles Thomson
3. No firm evidence of a Masonic connection, although allegations of such a
connection have been noted: Jefferson, Lovell, Hopkinson, Middleton,
Rutledge.
4. No record at all, so presumably not Masons: Du Simitiere, Scott,
Houston, Lee, Boudinot, and William Barton (although he has at times been
confused with another William Barton who was a Mason). Although Washington
was a Mason, he played no role in designing the Great Seal. And although
Franklin, a Mason, was a member of the first seal committee, his proposal
(P14) had no influence on the final designs, and he was in France when
those designs were drawn up. The
only individual listed who has been said to be a Mason (with no firm
evidence) is Hopkinson, whose pyramid design for the Continental currency's
$50 bill clearly influenced the final reverse of the Great Seal.
Thy pyramid, the eye, and the radiant triangle have often been considered
to be of Masonic origin. Writers who are Masons have also seen Masonic
symbolism in the eagle, in the number of feathers on the eagle's wings,
etc. It should perhaps be noted that some of the details studied and
interpreted by these writers are those of comparatively recent realizations
of the Great Seal, details which are not stated in the blazon itself and
are not to be found in the Great Seal die of 1782.
Without questioning the fact that element of the Great Seal design are also
to be found as Masonic symbols, one may question whether the designers of
the seal intended it to be given a specifically Masonic interpretation.
Since there is no evidence that either Thomson or Barton was a Mason, and
as they were the two individuals responsible for the final design, the
presumption would be that they did not intend their work to be given a
Masonic interpretation.
Were there sources other that FreeMasonry from which symbols such as the
all-seeing eye and the unfinished pyramid could have been taken? The answer
is yes. Use of the eye in art forms, including medallic art, as a symbol
for an omniscient and ubiquitous Deity was a well established artistic
convention quite apart from Masonic symbolism, and Du Simitiere, an artist
would have been aware of this. As to the Pyramid, there was widespread
interest in Egypt in the 18th century. There was a detailed work entitled
Pyramidographia which would have been available to both Hopkinson and
Barton. This work included a drawing of the "First Pyramid", which was
stepped, did not come to a complete point, and had an entrance in the
center on the ground level-a detail also in Hopkinson's design. While these
points are not conclusive, it seems likely that the designers of the Great
Seal and the Masons took their symbols from parallel sources, and unlikely
that the seal designers consciously copied Masonic symbols with the
intention of incorporating Masonic Symbolism into the national Coat of
Arms.
Use of the motto "In God We Trust" - P518 From the House Committee on the
Judiciary (3/28/1956) This joint resolution establishes "In God We Trust"
as the national motto of the U.S. At present the U.S. has no national
motto. It is most appropriate that "In God We Trust" be so designated....
Further recognition of this motto was given by the adoption of the
Star-Spangled Banner as our national anthem. One stanza ... is as follows:
"And this be our motto -- 'In God is our trust.'"
Maybe it is just coincidence, but I believe I remember that Francis Scott
Key was a FreeMason.
I hope your answer to my question is shorter.
Sincerely, and to some Fraternally -
Bill Maddox
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From: zepp <zeppnos...@finestplanet.com>
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Subject: Re: Oral Arguments for "The Pledge" set.
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:54:46 -0800
On 17 Jan 2004 19:59:11 -0800,

(ambrose
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searle) wrote:

The Congress, which included Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin, as well
as others of great stature, APPROVED of the religious motto "Annuit
Coeptis."

Jefferson wasn't in the congress and did not participate in the
drafting of the constitution. He was in France. Jefferson was never
voted into congress.

So much for his knowledge of history!

Carol, are you really connected to UWM and you think Kate has it right
when she says "Jefferson wasn't in the Congress"??
The "Congress," which approved the motto written above was also known
as the "CONTINENTAL CONGRESS." It happened to be the assembly that
Jefferson was as much a member as any other founder of the U.S.
You and Kate are historical buffoons.

Amby, the motto (It favors our undertakings) isn't religious. The
most common interpretation is "Providence favors our undertakings",
but no pronoun appears, let alone a noun of any sort, let alone a noun
referring to any diety.
The original phrase was by Virgil, who also was not at the
constitutional convention, and he wrote "Jupiter favors our
undertakings." (Jupiter omnipotens, audacibus annue coeptis.) So
maybe you could claim that America is a Jovian country.
Jefferson was on the first committee that designed a motto (he favored
Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt on one side and two
legendary figures who founded "the Anglo-Saxon race" on the other).
The final committee, which didn't not include Jefferson, Adams or
Franklin, submitted one similar to what we have, only with the words
"Deo Favente Perennis". The Congress, led by Jefferson, toned it down
to the more secular version we have today.
Incidently, it isn't the motto of the United States. The motto is "E
Pluribus Unum", Out of many, one.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
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In * We Trust?
"E Pluribus Unum" is Latin for "One from many" or "One from many parts"
http://tina.pirate-king.com/Tinas%20Mind/constitutional.htm
[You have to scroll down about 1/4th of the page to get to the article]
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POSTAL SERVICE CAVES, PLANS NATIONWIDE DISPLAY
OF RELIGIONIZED "IN GOD WE TRUST" NATIONAL MOTTO
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/igwt5.htm
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God, Coins, the National Motto, and the Pledge of Allegiance
http://silverelk.net/silverelk/opinion/GodAndPledge.html
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In God We Trust?
Myths About the Separation of Church and State
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/cs/blcsm_gov_motto.htm
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52 Years Later, Atheists Yet Feel McCarthy's Presence Dan Watson
http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8549.htm
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_mott.htm
During the 1950's the federal government's references to God multiplied:
The phrase "under God" was added to the otherwise secular Pledge of
Allegiance.
"So help me God" was added as a suffix to the oaths of office for
federal justices and judges.
American paper currency since 1957 has included the motto "In God
We Trust."
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Law & Government
http://www.atheistempire.com/reference/laws/main.html
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Post-Civil War attempts to incorporate religious language into the
Constitution
* First major attempts to amend the Constitution 1863 - 1880
http://candst.tripod.com/postciv.htm
* The NRA (National Reform Association) and the Christian Amendment
http://candst.tripod.com/nra.htm
o The Proposed Christian Amendment
http://candst.tripod.com/chrsamnd.htm
* In God We Trust
http://candst.tripod.com/motto.htm
o In God We Trust: All Others Pay Cash by Ralph C. Reynolds
http://candst.tripod.com/ingodwe.htm
Nine Demands of Liberalism".
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/demands.htm
Religious Freedom Amendment".
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/rfa.htm
President Grant's Speech".
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/granspch.htm
President Grant's Seventh Annual Message".
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/granmess.htm
The Blaine School Amendment"
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/blaine.htm
The Practical Separation of Chruch and State".
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/uwood.htm
Letter from National Liberal League".
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/abblett.htm
The Second Wave Attempts to Amend the Constitution 1880 - 1949
Sixty-four religious measures introduced in Congress -- 1888 - 1910
* Chronology of Religious Measures Introduced in Congress between 1888
- 1910
http://candst.tripod.com/law1888.htm
* Religious Measures in Congress 1888 - 1949
http://candst.tripod.com/1888-49.htm
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First Amendment Advocate, Vol. 4, No. 1, August 2003
The Newsletter of the Oklahoma Chapter of Americans United
One Nation Under 'god' ?
http://www.auok.org/under_god.htm
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More Motto , Jefferson, Deists, national motto, Charles I,,
LOC, etc.
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The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
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American Theocrats - Past and Present
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The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
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HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
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User: "Colin Day"
Title: Re: An Atheist Disagrees with Mr. Clifton, AHH-GAIN	21 Jul 2006 04:36:27 PM

wrote:

Go ahead, make my day. Show me in the record where the U.S. Government
adopted E Pluribus Unum as THE national motto.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Pluribus_Unum
The motto was selected by the first Great Seal committee in 1776, at the
beginning
of the American Revolution. Pierre Eugene DuSimitiÃ¨re originally suggested
E pluribus unum as the motto.
From http://www.answers.com/topic/e-pluribus-unum
(Columbia Press Encyclopedia)
E Pluribus Unum (Ä“ plÊŠr'ÄbÉ™s yÅ«'nÉ™m) [Lat.,=one made out of many],
motto on the Great Seal of the United States and on many U.S. coins.
Although selected in 1776 by Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and
Thomas Jefferson for the Continental Congress, it was not officially
adopted as a national motto until six years later.
(Houghton-Mifflin Company)
E pluribus unum (EE PLOOR-uh-buhs YOOH-nuhm, OOH-nuhm)
A motto of the United States; Latin for â€œOut of many, one.â€ It refers
to the Union formed by the separate states. E pluribus unum was
adopted as a national motto in 1776 and is now found on the
Great Seal of the United States and on United States currency.
Colin Day aa #1500
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User: ""
Title: Re: An Atheist Disagrees with Mr. Clifton, AHH-GAIN	21 Jul 2006 05:20:51 PM

Colin Day wrote:

Go ahead, make my day. Show me in the record where the U.S. Government
adopted E Pluribus Unum as THE national motto.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Pluribus_Unum

In the scholarly world in which I operate, Wikipedia is not a valid
source. Do you know who writes wikipedia?
See
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/36/302.html
Now, show me a cite in the U.S. Code prior to 1956 that says the same
thing about E Pluribus Unum. If you can't, then its fair to say that In
God We Trust is the national motto IN A WAY THAT E PLURIBUS UNUM NEVER
WAS.
E Pluribus Unum was *a* national motto, never *THE* national motto.
The reality is that there were a whole lot of mottos prior to 1956 that
were used in various places as phrases identifying the character of the
nation. Each of these is accurately identified as "A national motto"
but only one of them ever attained the official status as "THE national
motto."
These mottos include, but are not limited to:
Don't Tread On Me (used on the most prominent battle Flag when
independence was declared 1776)
Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God (proposed by Jefferson &
Franklin, 1776)
Deo Favente (proposed by William Barton 1782)
E Pluribus Unum (used on the national seal 1782)
Unum E Pluribus (used on early U.S. coins)
Novus Ordo Seclorum (used on the national seal 1782)
Annuit Coeptis (used on the national seal 1782)
Libertas Americana (used on a gold coin proposed by Franklin, 1783)
Non Sine Diis Animosus Infans (used on a gold coin proposed by
Franklin, 1783)
Liberty (used on early coins 1793 and following)
Fugio (used on early coins 1787)
Mind Your Business (used on early coins 1787)
We are One (used on U.S. coin 1787)
In God is Our Trust (used in the national hymn, 1814)
In God We Trust (used on buttons @1834, coins 1864)
Maintain the Union (used on U.S. currency during the civil war)
As all of these mottos were approved by the U.S. government to be used
as national identifiers on various official products of the government,
any one of them can be called a national motto, in a sense. But as far
as "THE *official* national motto" is concerned, the U.S. government
has only voted on ONE: to wit,
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/36/302.html
If you can show where the government adopted any other as *the*
national motto, I would be very interested to see your source.
Otherwise, "In God We Trust" did not *replace* any previous official
motto. The U.S. Congress was not in error when it stated in 1956-- "AT
PRESENT THE UNITED STATES HAS NO NATIONAL MOTTO."
E Pluribus Unum was no more the unique one-and-only national motto than
Annuit Coeptis was. They both were national mottos. In God We Trust is
the first motto that is officially THE national motto.
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