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Re: An Atheist Disagrees with Mr. Clifton, AHH-GAIN |
wrote:
:|Hotel Charlie One wrote:
:|>
:|> I still haven't seen you admit the "E Pluribus Unum" *was* the
:|> nation'a motto before it was changed to "In God We Trust".
:|
:|E Pluribus Unum was never the national motto. It was one of three
:|mottos that was included on the Seal of the United States adopted in
:|1782.
:|
:|The other two mottos that share the distinction are
:|
:|Annuit Coeptis="God has favored our beginning"
:|
:|and
:|
:|Novus Ordo Seclorum="A New Order of the Ages"
:|
:|It is just as wrongheaded to state that Annuit Coeptis was the national
:|motto before In God We Trust became it.
:|
:|The fact that E Pluribus Unum was NEVER the national motto was clearly
:|stated by Congress in 1956. The House of Representatives reported, "at
:|the present the United States has no national motto."
:|
:|Source: Congressional Record: House Report, 84th Congress, 1959 (1956),
:|p. 1.
:|
:|I trust that you will do as you expect others to do and "admit" your
:|error.
From: buckeye-ELO - view profile
Date: Wed, Feb 4 2004 6:54 am
Groups: alt.atheism, alt.politics.usa.constitution,
alt.education, alt.religion.christian, alt.society.liberalism,
misc.education, alt.politics.usa.republican
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f4ec081ab3357631?hl=en&
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X35B2127D
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[To]
ambrosesea...@yahoo.com (ambrose searle)
FROM ME:
The Two Mottos of the United States ....................510
E. Pluribus Unum...................................................510
In God We trust.....................................................514
I only copied pages 514 to 520
But I did copy the table of contents and that is where the above it from.
Carol at UWM copied the some if not all of the pages from 510 up
I will return to Regent today and copy the pages 510 to 514 as well so that
I have them also for some updating to the motto article on our web site.
So you see sonny, despite your huffing and puffing and denials and all that
game playing E. Pluribus Unum has been a National Motto of these here
United States. YOU GOT CAUGHT AGAIN
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FROM CAROL LEE SMITH
See page 510 of THE EAGLE AND THE SHIELD, previously mentioned in this
venue.
"As related in Chapter II, PIerre Eugene Du Simitiere, consultant to the
first committee on a device for a Great Seal, proposed a design that
included the motto <ital> E Pluribus Unum. <ital> That motto formed part
of the committee's report to Congress on August 20, 1776, and it carried
over into the deisgn Congress adopted on June 20, 1782. the device of the
obverse then adopted naturally became the coat of arms of the united
States (See Chapter XX), and the motto of the obverse became the motto of
the United States. On the beginning of government under the Constitution,
the act of Congress approved September 15, 1789, (1) which declared the
seal of 1782 to be the seal of the United States, in effect made the
device of the obverse the national coat of arms under the new regime and
its motto the national motto."
And on the next page:
"The motto <ital> E Plurbus Unum <ital> has appeard continuously since
1790 on the seals of the United States Supreme Court and the Department of
State, and for a varying number of years on the seals of the President,
the Vice President, the Senate, the States of Michigan and Wisconsin, and
the Virgin Islands. (8) It is inscribed also on the flag of North Dakota.
Implicit in such use is an understanding that the phrase is the motto of
the United States.
On American coins the phrase was used as early as 1786 on the New Jersey
<ital> Immunis Columbia <ital> cent; (9) and Totten pictures it on some
other coins of the Continental Contress period. (10) It was first used
by the United STates MInt on coins of the late 1790's, and it is on coins
of various issues from that time to the present. [begin page 512] An act
of Congress approved February 12, 1873, required that <ital> E Pluribus
Unum <ital> be placed on certain coins. (11)
"Noah Webster inserted the phrase in his dictionary in 1841, stating that
it was the motto of the United States; and until 1959 the successor
Merriam-Webster dictionaries so characterized it. The G. & C. Merriam
Company has written on the subject as follows: ... [if you want that, I
will key it in]"
"Thus for nearly 120 years a leading American reference book informed the
American people that the motto of their nation was <ital> E Pluribus Unum.
<ital.>
[If you want the footnotes, I will key them in]
Any typos are my fault, and are certainly not intentional.
If your library doesn't have THE EAGLE AND THE SHIELD (Dept. of State
American Revolution Bicentennial Adminstration), you can probably get it
through interlibrary loan.
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From: buckeye-ELO - view profile
Date: Tues, Jan 20 2004 6:18 am
Email: buckeye-...@nospam.net
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NATIONAL MOTTO
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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