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14 Nov 2003 08:56:33 AM |
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Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
(Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999% of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner! They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country, or
better yet, burned at the stake!
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity. Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters must
be expelled (or burned!)
How could _any_ SANE person doubt Jesus? Only those who are evil!
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| User: "Liberals Spit On US Veterans Lying Liberals need to be" |
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14 Nov 2003 10:15:53 AM |
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"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com...
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999% of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner! They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country, or
better yet, burned at the stake!
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity. Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters must
be expelled (or burned!)
How could _any_ SANE person doubt Jesus? Only those who are evil
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Thats strange, nowwhere in any of the court hearings was the word " Jesus"
ever an issue. Only the word God which is in the courts swearing ceremony
and on the US currency and in the pledge.
Liberals hate it when their lies get shot down.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 12:02:02 PM |
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In article <Zc7tb.993$m84.810688@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "Liberals
Spit On US Veterans" <Lying Liberals need to be
Exterminated@washington.gov> says...
"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com...
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999% of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner! They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country, or
better yet, burned at the stake!
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity. Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters must
be expelled (or burned!)
How could _any_ SANE person doubt Jesus? Only those who are evil
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Thats strange, nowwhere in any of the court hearings was the word " Jesus"
ever an issue.
First, off you traitorous, fascist, sellout piece of *****, reich-
wing terrorist, the above was obvious sarcasm. However, you're too big
a fucking retard to understand that figures like the "99.9999%" quote
clearly were not serious. Secondly, you don't have one fucking idea
what was actually said in Moore's hearing. Moore talks about Jesus all
the time. Other theocrats like Fa$hcroft have expressed partiality to
the slogan "No king but Jesus", which would also be a clear endorsement
of religion, if government adopted it.
Only the word God which is in the courts swearing ceremony
and on the US currency and in the pledge.
You obviously don't even know what this whole controversy is about.
The issue was Moore placing a protestant version of the Mosaic
Decalogue in the alabama supreme courthouse in the middle of the night
without even consulting other justices. He then refused to remove it
when ordered to by federal judges and even the rest of the alabama
supreme court. It wasn't about god on currency.
Liberals hate it when their lies get shot down.
We didn't lie, you mealy-mouthed scumbag.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Phylter" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 07:14:02 PM |
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(Dave) astounded us with:
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999% of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner! They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country, or
better yet, burned at the stake!
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity. Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters must
be expelled (or burned!)
How could _any_ SANE person doubt Jesus? Only those who are evil!
Sounds like Taliban Afghanistan to me
--
Phylter
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.rudraigh.com/afjc/regulars.html
Change "no-way" to "hotmail" to respond
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| User: "R. Gregg Reed" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 09:30:02 AM |
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(Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
How could _any_ SANE person doubt Jesus? Only those who are evil!
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| User: "Jim Hutton" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 09:41:57 AM |
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"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
Well, then you should read your bible 'cause jebus hisself (sic) said
(paraphrasing) "As for my enemies, those who would that I not reign over
them, bring them here and slay them before me"
(approx Luke 19:17....)
So, perhaps you should be out burning and slaying some infidels, Gregg.
JH #1696
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| User: "R. Gregg Reed" |
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14 Nov 2003 10:48:48 AM |
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"Jim Hutton" <atheist1696@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bp2t42$p4v$1
@nntp.msstate.edu:
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a
gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've
known
Well, then you should read your bible 'cause jebus hisself (sic)
said
(paraphrasing) "As for my enemies, those who would that I not reign
over
them, bring them here and slay them before me"
(approx Luke 19:17....)
That's part of the Parable of the Talents. Jesus wasn't asking that
non-believers be brought before him to be slain. He was telling a
story about a King who was testing his subjects. The section you
quoted was what the King said, not Jesus.
You're taking bible quotes out of context to justify your prejudices.
Isn't that what you accuse Christians of doing?
So, perhaps you should be out burning and slaying some infidels,
Gregg.
JH #1696
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| User: "Fafnir" |
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14 Nov 2003 02:35:48 PM |
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In article <e6ednUTM1IHtmiiiRVn-vA@comcast.com>
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote:
"Jim Hutton" <atheist1696@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:bp2t42$p4v$1
@nntp.msstate.edu:
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of
the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle
is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a
gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers
should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians
I've
known
Well, then you should read your bible 'cause jebus hisself
(sic)
said
(paraphrasing) "As for my enemies, those who would that I
not reign
over
them, bring them here and slay them before me"
(approx Luke 19:17....)
That's part of the Parable of the Talents. Jesus wasn't asking
that
non-believers be brought before him to be slain. He was
telling a
story about a King who was testing his subjects. The section
you
quoted was what the King said, not Jesus.
You're taking bible quotes out of context to justify your
prejudices.
Isn't that what you accuse Christians of doing?
Jesus said "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I
came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man
at variance against his father, and the daughter against her
mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law." --
Matthew 10:34-35
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and
mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea,
and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
But more to the point, it's those who claim to be Jesus'
followers who are dangerous:
"I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is
good . . our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical
duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't
want equal time. We don't want pluralism." -- Randall Terry,
head of Operation Rescue The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana.
8-16-93 (and, apparently, Roy Moore shares this kind of
thinking).
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Nov 2003 11:41:17 AM |
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R. Gregg Reed wrote:
"Jim Hutton" <atheist1696@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bp2t42$p4v$1
@nntp.msstate.edu:
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a
gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've
known
Well, then you should read your bible 'cause jebus hisself (sic)
said
(paraphrasing) "As for my enemies, those who would that I not reign
over
them, bring them here and slay them before me"
(approx Luke 19:17....)
That's part of the Parable of the Talents. Jesus wasn't asking that
non-believers be brought before him to be slain. He was telling a
story about a King who was testing his subjects. The section you
quoted was what the King said, not Jesus.
So Jesus didn't mean himself in the rest of the story? He's not talking
about his "servants" and their "rewards" after he returns from "afar"?
You're taking bible quotes out of context to justify your prejudices.
Isn't that what you accuse Christians of doing?
So none of Jesus stories mean anything? That works for me.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "R. Gregg Reed" |
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14 Nov 2003 12:44:32 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:vra4t986db4tba@news.supernews.com:
R. Gregg Reed wrote:
"Jim Hutton" <atheist1696@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bp2t42$p4v$1
@nntp.msstate.edu:
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a
gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers
should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've
known
Well, then you should read your bible 'cause jebus hisself (sic)
said
(paraphrasing) "As for my enemies, those who would that I not
reign
over
them, bring them here and slay them before me"
(approx Luke 19:17....)
That's part of the Parable of the Talents. Jesus wasn't asking
that
non-believers be brought before him to be slain. He was telling a
story about a King who was testing his subjects. The section you
quoted was what the King said, not Jesus.
So Jesus didn't mean himself in the rest of the story? He's not
talking about his "servants" and their "rewards" after he returns
from
"afar"?
In a way, yes. After all, it's a parable. Parables are meant to
illustrate a point. They're not meant to be taken literally. Kinda
like
Aesop's fables. No one really thinks that a fox would try to eat
grapes,
and then get disgusted when he couldn't reach them. It's just a way
to
illustrate the concept of "sour grapes".
You're taking bible quotes out of context to justify your
prejudices.
Isn't that what you accuse Christians of doing?
So none of Jesus stories mean anything? That works for me.
Don't be silly. Jesus's stories mean a lot. They've had a tremendous
influence on our society. How did you get that from what I wrote?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 01:23:47 PM |
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R. Gregg Reed wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:vra4t986db4tba@news.supernews.com:
R. Gregg Reed wrote:
"Jim Hutton" <atheist1696@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bp2t42$p4v$1
@nntp.msstate.edu:
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a
gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers
should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've
known
Well, then you should read your bible 'cause jebus hisself (sic)
said
(paraphrasing) "As for my enemies, those who would that I not
reign
over
them, bring them here and slay them before me"
(approx Luke 19:17....)
That's part of the Parable of the Talents. Jesus wasn't asking
that
non-believers be brought before him to be slain. He was telling a
story about a King who was testing his subjects. The section you
quoted was what the King said, not Jesus.
So Jesus didn't mean himself in the rest of the story? He's not
talking about his "servants" and their "rewards" after he returns
from
"afar"?
In a way, yes. After all, it's a parable. Parables are meant to
illustrate a point. They're not meant to be taken literally. Kinda
like
Aesop's fables. No one really thinks that a fox would try to eat
grapes,
and then get disgusted when he couldn't reach them. It's just a way
to
illustrate the concept of "sour grapes".
Ok, fine, but we're not talking about Aesop's fables. Let's stick to the
Talents.
When the story of the Talents refers to servants who get rewards for
good service when their master returns, is that supposed to refer to
Jesus returning to reward his followers? "Take what I've given you and
increase it and great will be your rewards when I return. If you slack
off, I'll be pissed." Right so far? Sounds like what they taught in
Sunday School.
Then he says what to do with the rest of those rabble who wouldn't serve
him at all. "Bring them here before me and kill them." They said that
was about the Judgement.
You're taking bible quotes out of context to justify your prejudices.
Isn't that what you accuse Christians of doing?
So none of Jesus stories mean anything? That works for me.
Don't be silly. Jesus's stories mean a lot. They've had a tremendous
influence on our society. How did you get that from what I wrote?
I didn't say that somebody didn't make up a meaning for them. That's the
nature of parables, isn't it? They mean whatever you find in them. But
that leaves some pretty wide latitude.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "R. Gregg Reed" |
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14 Nov 2003 02:07:06 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in news:vraatdt08hu0f6
@news.supernews.com:
R. Gregg Reed wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:vra4t986db4tba@news.supernews.com:
R. Gregg Reed wrote:
"Jim Hutton" <atheist1696@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bp2t42$p4v$1
@nntp.msstate.edu:
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a
gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers
should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've
known
Well, then you should read your bible 'cause jebus hisself (sic)
said
(paraphrasing) "As for my enemies, those who would that I not
reign
over
them, bring them here and slay them before me"
(approx Luke 19:17....)
That's part of the Parable of the Talents. Jesus wasn't asking
that
non-believers be brought before him to be slain. He was telling a
story about a King who was testing his subjects. The section you
quoted was what the King said, not Jesus.
So Jesus didn't mean himself in the rest of the story? He's not
talking about his "servants" and their "rewards" after he returns
from
"afar"?
In a way, yes. After all, it's a parable. Parables are meant to
illustrate a point. They're not meant to be taken literally. Kinda
like
Aesop's fables. No one really thinks that a fox would try to eat
grapes,
and then get disgusted when he couldn't reach them. It's just a way
to
illustrate the concept of "sour grapes".
Ok, fine, but we're not talking about Aesop's fables. Let's stick to the
Talents.
Ok. But the principle is the same.
When the story of the Talents refers to servants who get rewards for
good service when their master returns, is that supposed to refer to
Jesus returning to reward his followers? "Take what I've given you and
increase it and great will be your rewards when I return. If you slack
off, I'll be pissed." Right so far? Sounds like what they taught in
Sunday School.
Right so far.
Then he says what to do with the rest of those rabble who wouldn't serve
him at all. "Bring them here before me and kill them." They said that
was about the Judgement.
It was an allegory about the Judgement. Jesus wasn't commanding his
disciples to literally bring him non-believers and slay them. When he said,
"Bring them here before me and kill them" he was speaking as the King, not
as himself. He was illustrating a point in a way that his listeners would
understand. Remember, he wasn't talking to a bunch of liberal college kids
in a coffee shop. He was
You're taking bible quotes out of context to justify your prejudices.
Isn't that what you accuse Christians of doing?
So none of Jesus stories mean anything? That works for me.
Don't be silly. Jesus's stories mean a lot. They've had a tremendous
influence on our society. How did you get that from what I wrote?
I didn't say that somebody didn't make up a meaning for them. That's the
nature of parables, isn't it? They mean whatever you find in them. But
that leaves some pretty wide latitude.
Not exactly. A parable is told to illustrate a specific point. At least
according to Webster's.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 02:34:28 PM |
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R. Gregg Reed wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in news:vraatdt08hu0f6
@news.supernews.com:
R. Gregg Reed wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:vra4t986db4tba@news.supernews.com:
R. Gregg Reed wrote:
"Jim Hutton" <atheist1696@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bp2t42$p4v$1
@nntp.msstate.edu:
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a
gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers
should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've
known
Well, then you should read your bible 'cause jebus hisself (sic)
said
(paraphrasing) "As for my enemies, those who would that I not
reign
over
them, bring them here and slay them before me"
(approx Luke 19:17....)
That's part of the Parable of the Talents. Jesus wasn't asking
that
non-believers be brought before him to be slain. He was telling a
story about a King who was testing his subjects. The section you
quoted was what the King said, not Jesus.
So Jesus didn't mean himself in the rest of the story? He's not
talking about his "servants" and their "rewards" after he returns
from
"afar"?
In a way, yes. After all, it's a parable. Parables are meant to
illustrate a point. They're not meant to be taken literally. Kinda
like
Aesop's fables. No one really thinks that a fox would try to eat
grapes,
and then get disgusted when he couldn't reach them. It's just a way
to
illustrate the concept of "sour grapes".
Ok, fine, but we're not talking about Aesop's fables. Let's stick to the
Talents.
Ok. But the principle is the same.
When the story of the Talents refers to servants who get rewards for
good service when their master returns, is that supposed to refer to
Jesus returning to reward his followers? "Take what I've given you and
increase it and great will be your rewards when I return. If you slack
off, I'll be pissed." Right so far? Sounds like what they taught in
Sunday School.
Right so far.
Ok, good.
Then he says what to do with the rest of those rabble who wouldn't serve
him at all. "Bring them here before me and kill them." They said that
was about the Judgement.
It was an allegory about the Judgement. Jesus wasn't commanding his
disciples to literally bring him non-believers and slay them. When he said,
"Bring them here before me and kill them" he was speaking as the King, not
as himself.
That hasn't stopped anybody who wanted to from using that verse to
justify killing heretics.
He was illustrating a point in a way that his listeners would
understand. Remember, he wasn't talking to a bunch of liberal college kids
in a coffee shop. He was
Cut off in mid-sentence before he explained what he was talking about? ;-)
To pick up your analogy, he was talking to his own band of followers,
who by then should have been pretty adept at untangling his parables,
and who hung on his every word.
You're taking bible quotes out of context to justify your prejudices.
Isn't that what you accuse Christians of doing?
So none of Jesus stories mean anything? That works for me.
Don't be silly. Jesus's stories mean a lot. They've had a tremendous
influence on our society. How did you get that from what I wrote?
I didn't say that somebody didn't make up a meaning for them. That's the
nature of parables, isn't it? They mean whatever you find in them. But
that leaves some pretty wide latitude.
Not exactly. A parable is told to illustrate a specific point. At least
according to Webster's.
You'd be surprised at how far some people will stretch a point. Or
maybe not. ;-)
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:vraf2qrhfcm4ba@news.supernews.com:
R. Gregg Reed wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in news:vraatdt08hu0f6
@news.supernews.com:
R. Gregg Reed wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:vra4t986db4tba@news.supernews.com:
R. Gregg Reed wrote:
"Jim Hutton" <atheist1696@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bp2t42$p4v$1
@nntp.msstate.edu:
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a
gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers
should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've
known
Well, then you should read your bible 'cause jebus hisself (sic)
said
(paraphrasing) "As for my enemies, those who would that I not
reign
over
them, bring them here and slay them before me"
(approx Luke 19:17....)
That's part of the Parable of the Talents. Jesus wasn't asking
that
non-believers be brought before him to be slain. He was telling a
story about a King who was testing his subjects. The section you
quoted was what the King said, not Jesus.
So Jesus didn't mean himself in the rest of the story? He's not
talking about his "servants" and their "rewards" after he returns
from
"afar"?
In a way, yes. After all, it's a parable. Parables are meant to
illustrate a point. They're not meant to be taken literally. Kinda
like
Aesop's fables. No one really thinks that a fox would try to eat
grapes,
and then get disgusted when he couldn't reach them. It's just a way
to
illustrate the concept of "sour grapes".
Ok, fine, but we're not talking about Aesop's fables. Let's stick to
the Talents.
Ok. But the principle is the same.
When the story of the Talents refers to servants who get rewards for
good service when their master returns, is that supposed to refer to
Jesus returning to reward his followers? "Take what I've given you
and increase it and great will be your rewards when I return. If you
slack off, I'll be pissed." Right so far? Sounds like what they
taught in Sunday School.
Right so far.
Ok, good.
Then he says what to do with the rest of those rabble who wouldn't
serve him at all. "Bring them here before me and kill them." They
said that was about the Judgement.
It was an allegory about the Judgement. Jesus wasn't commanding his
disciples to literally bring him non-believers and slay them. When he
said, "Bring them here before me and kill them" he was speaking as
the King, not as himself.
That hasn't stopped anybody who wanted to from using that verse to
justify killing heretics.
I agree. Religion has been a major cause of death in our history.
He was illustrating a point in a way that his listeners would
understand. Remember, he wasn't talking to a bunch of liberal college
kids in a coffee shop. He was
Cut off in mid-sentence before he explained what he was talking about?
;-)
To pick up your analogy, he was talking to his own band of followers,
who by then should have been pretty adept at untangling his parables,
and who hung on his every word.
Damn, how did that happen? Anyway, thanks for finishing my point.When Jesus
spoke, he almost always used parables to illustrate his points. I'm sure
the listeners understood that he really didn't mean to kill heretics.
However other people may have interpreted this passage at a later date
wasn't my point. My point was that Jesus didn't command his followers to
kill heretics.
You're taking bible quotes out of context to justify your
prejudices.
Isn't that what you accuse Christians of doing?
So none of Jesus stories mean anything? That works for me.
Don't be silly. Jesus's stories mean a lot. They've had a tremendous
influence on our society. How did you get that from what I wrote?
I didn't say that somebody didn't make up a meaning for them. That's
the nature of parables, isn't it? They mean whatever you find in
them. But that leaves some pretty wide latitude.
Not exactly. A parable is told to illustrate a specific point. At
least according to Webster's.
You'd be surprised at how far some people will stretch a point. Or
maybe not. ;-)
I agree.
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"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
How could _any_ SANE person doubt Jesus? Only those who are evil!
That ego-maniac disgraces my religion (Christian).
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15 Nov 2003 05:09:25 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:04:43 -0800, "z" <zee@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<bp2uep$s82$0@pita.alt.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
How could _any_ SANE person doubt Jesus? Only those who are evil!
That ego-maniac disgraces my religion (Christian).
Ummm....no. He is following the Christian Prime Directives.
(I agree Moore's an ego-maniac and a socialopath and possibly a
psychopath, but that's beside the point)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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15 Nov 2003 05:40:11 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:7ecdrvcsdo6a97vd64783isarshmc7egov@4ax.com...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:04:43 -0800, "z" <zee@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<bp2uep$s82$0@pita.alt.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
How could _any_ SANE person doubt Jesus? Only those who are evil!
That ego-maniac disgraces my religion (Christian).
Ummm....no. He is following the Christian Prime Directives.
What is that?
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18 Nov 2003 08:44:29 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:40:11 -0800, "z" <zee@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<bp6dgk$ij6$0@pita.alt.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:7ecdrvcsdo6a97vd64783isarshmc7egov@4ax.com...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:04:43 -0800, "z" <zee@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<bp2uep$s82$0@pita.alt.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:A5qdnTWKpelnaSmiRVn-vA@comcast.com...
galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
How could _any_ SANE person doubt Jesus? Only those who are evil!
That ego-maniac disgraces my religion (Christian).
Ummm....no. He is following the Christian Prime Directives.
What is that?
Obey and conduct scorched earth tactics of bigotry, false witness,
pride, narrow-mindedness, prejudice, selfishness and hypocracy.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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14 Nov 2003 12:14:48 PM |
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"R. Gregg Reed" wrote:
galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
Thank you, but I would rather be burned at the stake.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Im Gonna Clayton After Allllllllllll *toss hat in the air*" |
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14 Nov 2003 06:42:06 PM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:3FB51B98.7C75C2A8@serv.net...
"R. Gregg Reed" wrote:
galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
Thank you, but I would rather be burned at the stake.
Tell them you're a gay atheist and they'll start collecting the wood.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Nov 2003 12:33:13 PM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
"R. Gregg Reed" wrote:
galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
Thank you, but I would rather be burned at the stake.
Well, OK, but you have to listen to my uncle's sermons first. ;-)
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "stoney" |
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18 Nov 2003 08:46:28 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:14:48 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>,
Message ID: <3FB51B98.7C75C2A8@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
"R. Gregg Reed" wrote:
galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
Thank you, but I would rather be burned at the stake.
It's much less painful than hearing the ignorance, deceit, bigotry,
prejudice, selfishness, pride, with a total dearth of anything remotely
resembling rationality or reasoning for the
'XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxth
time.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 01:33:46 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:30:02 -0600, "R. Gregg Reed"
<rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote:
galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
Which is by definition intolerance and religious harrassment.
How could _any_ SANE person doubt Jesus? Only those who are evil!
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14 Nov 2003 02:18:23 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:9eaarvkbik99th98st22n5vh3crdf20ck3@4ax.com:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:30:02 -0600, "R. Gregg Reed"
<rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote:
galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote in
news:5591d176.0311140656.30e0104d@posting.google.com:
szarr2@webtv.net (Szarrgoth 2) wrote in message
news:<20922-3FB4B882-8@storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Poor little EX judge moore!
Boo hoo!
Look's like he didn't get any help from "HIS" god at all!
Neither did all those people in the World Trade Center too!
Could it be that God dose not care for the United States?
Read your Bible for yourself... [...]
Ex-judge Roy Moore will be the next governor or senator of Alabama.
And why not? 90% of US citizens and 99% of Alabamans and 99.9999%
of
Republicans love him for being a fanatical Christian hardliner!
They
feel that Christianity is and should be the declared state religion
of
the US, and all non-Christians should be expelled from the country,
or
better yet, burned at the stake!
That's a bit of an exaggeration, at least for Christians. However,
it's literally true in Islamic countries.
Prayer should be required, not only in schools, but everywhere, at
every meal, at every meeting, at every event, at every ceremony,
program, broadcast, presentation, seminar, forum, or activity.
Jesus
MUST be praised each day and every day by everyone and doubters
must
be expelled (or burned!)
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
Which is by definition intolerance and religious harrassment.
By YOUR definition. To a Christian, choosing a religion isn't like
choosing your favorite football team. Christians think that if you don't
believe in God and don't accept Jesus as your savior, then when you die
you'll go to Hell. They seek out non-believers and try to convert them
to save them from that fate. It isn't about intolerance and harrassment.
It's like preventing children from playing in the street. Even if the
kids say it's fun, and there's no harm, YOU know it's dangerous, so you
do what's necessary to keep them away from busy streets, despite their
temper tantrums.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 03:07:05 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:18:23 -0600, "R. Gregg Reed"
<rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote:
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
Which is by definition intolerance and religious harrassment.
By YOUR definition. To a Christian, choosing a religion isn't like
choosing your favorite football team. Christians think that if you don't
believe in God and don't accept Jesus as your savior, then when you die
you'll go to Hell. They seek out non-believers and try to convert them
to save them from that fate. It isn't about intolerance and harrassment.
Of course it is AT THE RECEIVING END.
If you honestly imagine that your excuses that you're doing it because
of your Santa Claus equivalent (WHICH IS ALL IT IS OUTSIIDE YOUR
RELIGION) are going to justify it OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION then you're an
even bigger idiot that you have already shown yourself to be.
It's like preventing children from playing in the street. Even if the
kids say it's fun, and there's no harm, YOU know it's dangerous, so you
do what's necessary to keep them away from busy streets, despite their
temper tantrums.
Then demonstrate that this hypothetical deity, danger etc actually
exist in the real world outside your religion.
In other words put up or shut up.
And to dismiss explanations why people react so negatively to your
stupidity as "temper t antrums" demonstrater what a typically
Christian, nasty individual you are.
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| User: "R. Gregg Reed" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 03:40:51 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:rffarvsas2rlts00riffk960i7882oufac@4ax.com:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:18:23 -0600, "R. Gregg Reed"
<rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote:
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
Which is by definition intolerance and religious harrassment.
By YOUR definition. To a Christian, choosing a religion isn't like
choosing your favorite football team. Christians think that if you
don't
believe in God and don't accept Jesus as your savior, then when you
die
you'll go to Hell. They seek out non-believers and try to convert them
to save them from that fate. It isn't about intolerance and
harrassment.
Of course it is AT THE RECEIVING END.
I wasn't talking about the receiving end. I was discussing the point of
view of the Christian. Don't you understand what "to a Christian" means?
If you honestly imagine that your excuses that you're doing it because
I'm doing it? Of course not. I'm an atheist.
of your Santa Claus equivalent (WHICH IS ALL IT IS OUTSIIDE YOUR
RELIGION) are going to justify it OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION then you're an
even bigger idiot that you have already shown yourself to be.
MY Santa Claus equivalent? MY religion? Where do you get these ideas?
You don't think that it's possible that an atheist can think you're a
moron, too?
It's like preventing children from playing in the street. Even if the
kids say it's fun, and there's no harm, YOU know it's dangerous, so
you
do what's necessary to keep them away from busy streets, despite their
temper tantrums.
Then demonstrate that this hypothetical deity, danger etc actually
exist in the real world outside your religion.
How can I do that, when I don't believe it myself?
In other words put up or shut up.
I'm sorry, but I don't think it's necessary to believe in God in order
to think that you're a few pickles shy of a barrel.
And to dismiss explanations why people react so negatively to your
stupidity as "temper tantrums" demonstrates what a typically
Christian, nasty individual you are.
Nasty, yes. Christian, no. And your reaction to my post does seem a lot
like a temper tantrum to me.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 04:45:13 PM |
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"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in news:ia2dnSKArrR-
1iiiRVn-tA@comcast.com:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:rffarvsas2rlts00riffk960i7882oufac@4ax.com:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:18:23 -0600, "R. Gregg Reed"
<rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote:
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert them.
Which is by definition intolerance and religious harrassment.
By YOUR definition. To a Christian, choosing a religion isn't like
choosing your favorite football team. Christians think that if you
don't
believe in God and don't accept Jesus as your savior, then when you
die
you'll go to Hell. They seek out non-believers and try to convert them
to save them from that fate. It isn't about intolerance and
harrassment.
Of course it is AT THE RECEIVING END.
I wasn't talking about the receiving end. I was discussing the point of
view of the Christian. Don't you understand what "to a Christian" means?
What you are saying is that Christian belief requires you to be a do-
gooding *****, and harass people who wish to be left alone.
I agree.
--
Terry Austin
taustin@hyperbooks.com
www.hyperbooks.com
Roleplaying Stuff
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| User: "R. Gregg Reed" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 04:55:06 PM |
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No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in
news:Xns943396136667taustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50:
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in
news:ia2dnSKArrR-
1iiiRVn-tA@comcast.com:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:rffarvsas2rlts00riffk960i7882oufac@4ax.com:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:18:23 -0600, "R. Gregg Reed"
<rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote:
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a
gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers
should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've
known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert
them.
Which is by definition intolerance and religious harrassment.
By YOUR definition. To a Christian, choosing a religion isn't
like
choosing your favorite football team. Christians think that if
you
don't
believe in God and don't accept Jesus as your savior, then when
you
die
you'll go to Hell. They seek out non-believers and try to convert
them
to save them from that fate. It isn't about intolerance and
harrassment.
Of course it is AT THE RECEIVING END.
I wasn't talking about the receiving end. I was discussing the
point of
view of the Christian. Don't you understand what "to a Christian"
means?
What you are saying is that Christian belief requires you to be a
do-
gooding *****, and harass people who wish to be left alone.
I suppose that's one way of putting it. :)
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: An idea for Disgraced EX-Judge! |
14 Nov 2003 05:12:27 PM |
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"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in
news:0dmdna9Mfr3XwCiiRVn-vw@comcast.com:
No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in
news:Xns943396136667taustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50:
"R. Gregg Reed" <rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote in
news:ia2dnSKArrR-
1iiiRVn-tA@comcast.com:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:rffarvsas2rlts00riffk960i7882oufac@4ax.com:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:18:23 -0600, "R. Gregg Reed"
<rgr@blazonsolutions.com> wrote:
I've known thousands of Christians. I live in the buckle of the
bible
belt. My mother and aunt sing in a church choir. My uncle is a
deacon. My cousin is a professional singer and musician in a
gospel
group. I have NEVER heard anyone suggest that non-believers
should
be
expelled or burned at the stake. In fact, the Christians I've
known
make it a point to seek out non-believers and try to convert
them.
Which is by definition intolerance and religious harrassment.
By YOUR definition. To a Christian, choosing a religion isn't
like
choosing your favorite football team. Christians think that if
you
don't
believe in God and don't accept Jesus as your savior, then when
you
die
you'll go to Hell. They seek out non-believers and try to convert
them
to save them from that fate. It isn't about intolerance and
harrassment.
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