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22 Oct 2006 03:21:08 AM |
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Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On 18 Oct 2006 12:00:24 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) --
L.
The better way to say that is "God Exists"..There is no origin or
causality ( accident)..."Always existing and ever the same"
Feel free to demonstrate that it does.
The Material Universe is different. It had a beginning and will
eventually have an end.
And your evidence for this, is?
All the things which do have a beginning and an end, and the paucity
of things which do not. Why be secretive Christopher? Tell us already of
all the things you know which don't have a beginning nor an end.
===>You know as well as I do, "pastor" Fake.
EXISTENCE, the universal substance, the Cosmic Totality has np beginning
and no end, though its processes do produce ephemeral entities. Perhaps
even beings you would recognize as gods,
e.g. the Elohim of the Bible. -- L.
The opposite is true Libertine!!! God created "the Cosmos", not the
other way around.
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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22 Oct 2006 07:55:27 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On 18 Oct 2006 12:00:24 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) --
L.
The better way to say that is "God Exists"..There is no origin or
causality ( accident)..."Always existing and ever the same"
Feel free to demonstrate that it does.
The Material Universe is different. It had a beginning and will
eventually have an end.
And your evidence for this, is?
All the things which do have a beginning and an end, and the paucity
of things which do not. Why be secretive Christopher? Tell us already of
all the things you know which don't have a beginning nor an end.
===>You know as well as I do, "pastor" Fake.
EXISTENCE, the universal substance, the Cosmic Totality has np beginning
and no end, though its processes do produce ephemeral entities. Perhaps
even beings you would recognize as gods,
e.g. the Elohim of the Bible. -- L.
The opposite is true Libertine!!! God created "the Cosmos", not the
other way around.
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If there are "Gawds" then the Infinite Imagination produces them,
just like it produces our Lives. But the I.I. is NOT some Gawd,
not King or Creator, it is merely the total of all that is and
can be in every possible Life and Universe. Making up some petty
little Gawd to suit your tribal venalism is poppycock. For that
matter believing in concrete matter is a fallacy as well, because
all we are is the thought that we are, and yet that's as concrete
as it need be. The universe dies when you fall asleep and is
reborn each morning when you are, whoever you get to be that day!
*****, you don't even know if you get to be the same "you" from
moment to moment, let alone for a whole day! All you know is your
memories and the NEXT memory. And that is all you CAN POSSIBLY know
or NEED to know! You think you are the memories you're looking at.
You're NOT! And yet that is ALL you are!
Steve
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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22 Oct 2006 09:59:54 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On 18 Oct 2006 12:00:24 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) --
L.
The better way to say that is "God Exists"..There is no origin or
causality ( accident)..."Always existing and ever the same"
Feel free to demonstrate that it does.
The Material Universe is different. It had a beginning and will
eventually have an end.
And your evidence for this, is?
All the things which do have a beginning and an end, and the paucity
of things which do not. Why be secretive Christopher? Tell us already of
all the things you know which don't have a beginning nor an end.
===>You know as well as I do, "pastor" Fake.
EXISTENCE, the universal substance, the Cosmic Totality has np beginning
and no end, though its processes do produce ephemeral entities. Perhaps
even beings you would recognize as gods,
e.g. the Elohim of the Bible. -- L.
The opposite is true Libertine!!! God created "the Cosmos", not the
other way around.
===>An OBVIOUASLY non-existing, hypothesized entity "created" that which
OBVIOUSLY does exist, has always existed and will always exist?
DOn't you see how idiotic your claim is? -- L.
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| User: "marcinmd" |
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23 Oct 2006 10:01:40 AM |
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===>An OBVIOUASLY non-existing, hypothesized entity "created" that which
OBVIOUSLY does exist, has always existed and will always exist?
DOn't you see how idiotic your claim is? -- L.
And yet nearly all people for nearly all of human history have believed
in the Divine..
Perhaps you are the one who is missing something?
BTW: The Atheist of the Month for October is: Kim IL Jong....
Nice work guys
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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23 Oct 2006 11:19:55 AM |
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"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
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===>An OBVIOUASLY non-existing, hypothesized entity "created" that which
OBVIOUSLY does exist, has always existed and will always exist?
DOn't you see how idiotic your claim is? -- L.
And yet nearly all people for nearly all of human history have believed
in the Divine..
So? Just because a large number of people believe in a stupid
thing..............
Perhaps you are the one who is missing something?
Hardly. Perhaps you are the one who is missing reality
BTW: The Atheist of the Month for October is: Kim IL Jong....
BTW: The Ultimate Theist for Now and Forever is: Adolph Hitler
Nice work, guys. Don't forget to give each other a high five.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "marcinmd" |
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23 Oct 2006 12:49:17 PM |
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And yet nearly all people for nearly all of human history have believed
in the Divine.
So? Just because a large number of people believe in a stupid
thing..............
It's called a "Prima Facia" case. ON THE FACE OF IT if nearly all
mankind for nearly all of recorded history has made the same basic
assumption, then it's reasonable to assume that their is good evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
Perhaps you are the one who is missing something?
Hardly. Perhaps you are the one who is missing reality<<
You mean your personal reality. You have no idea what actual reality
consistes. Human perception is limited. Sorry to be the one to break
the news to you.
BTW: The Atheist of the Month for October is: Kim IL Jong....
BTW: The Ultimate Theist for Now and Forever is: Adolph Hitler<<ei
Hitler imprisoned Priests by the thousands...Plus, there was no State
religion in Hitler's Germany. But all the communist countries past and
present are all OFFICALLY Atheist..... So all of your fantasies about a
utopian world if you can just dump God has not work out to well...Now
has it?
So would Kim IL be in concert with your Atheistic views? How about
Stalin? Castro?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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23 Oct 2006 01:58:59 PM |
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"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
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And yet nearly all people for nearly all of human history have believed
in the Divine.
So? Just because a large number of people believe in a stupid
thing..............
It's called a "Prima Facia" case. ON THE FACE OF IT if nearly all
mankind for nearly all of recorded history has made the same basic
assumption, then it's reasonable to assume that their is good evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
In your opinion, anyway.
Perhaps you are the one who is missing something?
Hardly. Perhaps you are the one who is missing reality<<
You mean your personal reality. You have no idea what actual reality
consistes. Human perception is limited. Sorry to be the one to break
the news to you.
Sorry, that you spew your opinion as if it were a fact.
BTW: The Atheist of the Month for October is: Kim IL Jong....
BTW: The Ultimate Theist for Now and Forever is: Adolph Hitler<<ei
<remaining ***** snipped unread> You're worthless.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "marcinmd" |
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23 Oct 2006 02:47:38 PM |
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It's called a "Prima Facia" case. ON THE FACE OF IT if nearly all
mankind for nearly all of recorded history has made the same basic
assumption, then it's reasonable to assume that their is good evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
In your opinion, anyway.
Concentrate... A Prima Facia case is evidence...It conveys
reasonableness.... My opinion of that evidence is another matter...
Perhaps you are the one who is missing something?
Hardly. Perhaps you are the one who is missing reality<<
You mean your personal reality. You have no idea what actual reality
consistes. Human perception is limited. Sorry to be the one to break
the news to you.
Sorry, that you spew your opinion as if it were a fact.<<
Hmmmmmmm..Then you are some sort of self stylized Master who has
plummed the depths of reality and is enlightened to what is absolutely
True.......?? I doubt it.
You're worthless.
Well..Worthless for helping your crack pot ideas..The fact remains that
Official Atheist Regimes have been the most cruel in recent history....
I understand your embarrassment.
Mao..Stalin....Khrushchev..Castro.....Kim IL Jong...Atheists all.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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23 Oct 2006 05:34:00 PM |
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"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
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And yet nearly all people for nearly all of human history have believed
in the Divine.
So? Just because a large number of people believe in a stupid
thing..............
It's called a "Prima Facia" case. ON THE FACE OF IT if nearly all
mankind for nearly all of recorded history has made the same basic
assumption, then it's reasonable to assume that their is good evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
Please try to find out the true meaning of prima "facia."
(and the correct spelling while you're at it)
While you're doing that, you can look up the fallacious logical error of
argumentum ad populum too.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Faith doesn't move mountains - it levels buildings."
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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23 Oct 2006 02:51:59 PM |
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In article <1161625757.742648.199980@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> writes:
And yet nearly all people for nearly all of human history have believed
in the Divine.
So? Just because a large number of people believe in a stupid
thing..............
It's called a "Prima Facia" case. ON THE FACE OF IT if nearly all
mankind for nearly all of recorded history has made the same basic
assumption, then it's reasonable to assume that their is good evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
Yep. Quite true. And no two separate cultures have come up
with the same being. Zeus, Anansi, Amenhotep, Dhumravati,
Ellil, Azeban, Belgob, Kim Suro, Pili, Stribog...
I think you've made a strong case for an intrinsic and hardwired
prediliction for making up gods.
-- cary
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| User: "marcinmd" |
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23 Oct 2006 03:51:32 PM |
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I think you've made a strong case for an intrinsic and hardwired
prediliction for making up gods.
Or...By their natural good sense, people see more than just material
nature and understand that there is also a dinvine element to
existence... Just because they have expereinced this divine hand in
different ways, does not mean that they were entirely wrong. In fact,
in all these variations they were on to something True if not the
complete fullness of Truth.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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23 Oct 2006 03:57:41 PM |
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In article <1161636692.837442.193030@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> writes:
I think you've made a strong case for an intrinsic and hardwired
prediliction for making up gods.
Or...By their natural good sense, people see more than just material
nature and understand that there is also a dinvine element to
existence... Just because they have expereinced this divine hand in
different ways, does not mean that they were entirely wrong. In fact,
in all these variations they were on to something True if not the
complete fullness of Truth.
And by the same token, there must be something very like ghosts,
since people in all cultures fear ghosts. And people everywhere
invent magical-thinking type rituals to change reality, so there
must be something into our being able to change the world just
by performing the correct ritual. And there must
be monsters in the night, because it is a universal
that children around the ages of 2-4 develop a fear
of monsters which can be downright paralyzing during
the nighttime hours.
-- cary
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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23 Oct 2006 04:00:57 PM |
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On 23 Oct 2006 13:51:32 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
I think you've made a strong case for an intrinsic and hardwired
prediliction for making up gods.
Or...By their natural good sense, people see more than just material
nature and understand that there is also a dinvine element to
existence... Just because they have expereinced this divine hand in
different ways, does not mean that they were entirely wrong. In fact,
in all these variations they were on to something True if not the
complete fullness of Truth.
No, moron, they don't "understand" that.
They already believe it and use transparent fallacies like the
arguments from ignorance, ad numerum etc to "justify" it.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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23 Oct 2006 01:05:27 PM |
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On 23 Oct 2006 10:49:17 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
And yet nearly all people for nearly all of human history have believed
in the Divine.
So? Just because a large number of people believe in a stupid
thing..............
It's called a "Prima Facia" case. ON THE FACE OF IT if nearly all
mankind for nearly all of recorded history has made the same basic
assumption, then it's reasonable to assume that their is good evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
No, moron - reality isn't determined by democratic vote. Otherwose teh
world really would have been flat once.
Perhaps you are the one who is missing something?
Hardly. Perhaps you are the one who is missing reality<<
You mean your personal reality. You have no idea what actual reality
consistes. Human perception is limited. Sorry to be the one to break
the news to you.
No, liar, objective reality.
BTW: The Atheist of the Month for October is: Kim IL Jong....
BTW: The Ultimate Theist for Now and Forever is: Adolph Hitler<<ei
Hitler imprisoned Priests by the thousands...Plus, there was no State
religion in Hitler's Germany. But all the communist countries past and
present are all OFFICALLY Atheist..... So all of your fantasies about a
utopian world if you can just dump God has not work out to well...Now
has it?
So would Kim IL be in concert with your Atheistic views? How about
Stalin? Castro?
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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23 Oct 2006 07:54:31 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:49:17 -0700, marcinmd wrote:
And yet nearly all people for nearly all of human history have believed
in the Divine.
So? Just because a large number of people believe in a stupid
thing..............
It's called a "Prima Facia" case. ON THE FACE OF IT if nearly all
mankind for nearly all of recorded history has made the same basic
assumption, then it's reasonable to assume that their is good evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
That's "prima facie" and the words aren't capitalized. And, no, it's not
"prima facie" evidence. That particular argument is called "argumentum ad
populum" and is a classic fallacy. Just because lots of people for a long
time believed that bad smells carried disease didn't make it so, and just
because lots of people for a long time believe that there's such a thing
as "god" doesn't make _it_ so, either. The former was abandoned when the
evidence contradicted it. The latter, though, is so deeply entrenched in
the way human beings think that many still cling to it even though there
is no evidence to support it and, indeed, overwhelming evidence that the
claims of religion are false.
Of course, your argument _would_ constitute a prima facie case if in fact
there _were_ "good evidence to have convinced so many people for so long."
It's not, however, valid to assume that there was such evidence just
because of the beliefs. Again, that's argumentum ad populum, and is a
fallacy. A prima facie case would involve _producing_ that evidence, not
just handwaving about it.
You mean your personal reality. You have no idea what actual reality
consistes. Human perception is limited. Sorry to be the one to break
the news to you.
Well, yeah, human perception is limited, that's true. We can't see as
many colors as birds do, and we certainly can't directly perceive radio or
X-rays or a lot of other things. But that's why we have machines.
Now, if you're trying to claim that there's something _besides_ those, I
have to say: Show me the evidence. And no argumentum ad populum, this
time.
Hitler imprisoned Priests by the thousands...Plus, there was no State
religion in Hitler's Germany. But all the communist countries past and
present are all OFFICALLY Atheist..... So all of your fantasies about a
utopian world if you can just dump God has not work out to well...Now
has it?
You apparently can't understand the difference between "atheism" and "not
believing in _your_ god."
Here's a hint: Hitler and Stalin were no more atheist than _you_ are, and
Kim is the chief adherent of a religion that places _himself_ at the head.
There has never been an "atheistic society." The closest we've gotten has
been to have secular governments, such as the United States until recently
and China, to some degree.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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23 Oct 2006 09:13:05 PM |
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marcinmd wrote:
And yet nearly all people for nearly all of human history have believed
in the Divine.
So? Just because a large number of people believe in a stupid
thing..............
It's called a "Prima Facia" case. ON THE FACE OF IT if nearly all
mankind for nearly all of recorded history has made the same basic
assumption, then it's reasonable to assume that their is good evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
===>On superstitions of all sorts, as well as "explanations", such as
the flat earth, and that the sky was a dome over it, or that the
Sun and Moon and stars moved around the arth, were similarly
"nearly all mankind for nearly all of recorded history has made the same
basic assumption." -- L.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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23 Oct 2006 03:56:50 PM |
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marcinmd wrote:
And yet nearly all people for nearly all of human history have believed
in the Divine.
So? Just because a large number of people believe in a stupid
thing..............
It's called a "Prima Facia" case. ON THE FACE OF IT if nearly all
mankind for nearly all of recorded history has made the same basic
assumption, then it's reasonable to assume that their is good evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
And, funnily enough, nearly all civilizations for recorded history have
believed in some version of the vampire legend. I take it then that
you believe vampires actually exist?
I didn't think so.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "marcinmd" |
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23 Oct 2006 09:32:33 PM |
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evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
And, funnily enough, nearly all civilizations for recorded history have
believed in some version of the vampire legend. I take it then that
you believe vampires actually exist?
Small portions within certain societies have had some vague notion of
Vampires I would guess... Belief in the Divine and in God has been a
central belief of nearly all societies everywhere for all time, by
nearly all members of those societies...... Your comparison is not
honest by many degrees of proportion..
Since belief in God is so ubiquitous, it is reasonable to conclude that
there is enough evidence to convince a reasonable person..Since belief
in Vampires is not believed in anything remotely as widespread, the
same claim of reasonableness cant honestly be made. Your excuse is that
everybody everywhaere is "stupid" which is pretty thin and exposes your
weak case
I didn't think so.
Nice try
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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24 Oct 2006 06:25:18 AM |
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On 23 Oct 2006 19:32:33 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
And, funnily enough, nearly all civilizations for recorded history have
believed in some version of the vampire legend. I take it then that
you believe vampires actually exist?
Small portions within certain societies have had some vague notion of
Vampires I would guess... Belief in the Divine and in God has been a
central belief of nearly all societies everywhere for all time, by
nearly all members of those societies...... Your comparison is not
honest by many degrees of proportion..
Since belief in God is so ubiquitous, it is reasonable to conclude that
there is enough evidence to convince a reasonable person..Since belief
in Vampires is not believed in anything remotely as widespread, the
same claim of reasonableness cant honestly be made. Your excuse is that
everybody everywhaere is "stupid" which is pretty thin and exposes your
weak case
What part of FALLACY OF AREGUMENT AD NUMERUM or ARGUMENT AD POPULUM
are you still too stupid to understand?
GEt a frikking education before you come back.
And why do you keep lying about us to our faces?
If you hadn't been so stupid you wouldn't have been called "stupid".
You're the one without a case, who resorts to fallacies and personal
lies instead.
I didn't think so.
Nice try
A liar as well as an idiot.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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24 Oct 2006 06:48:09 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:25:18 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
- Refer: <5strj2h4pga23301477lt1uth9uhtqoflk@4ax.com>
On 23 Oct 2006 19:32:33 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
evidence
to have convinced so many people for so long.
And, funnily enough, nearly all civilizations for recorded history have
believed in some version of the vampire legend. I take it then that
you believe vampires actually exist?
Small portions within certain societies have had some vague notion of
Vampires I would guess... Belief in the Divine and in God has been a
central belief of nearly all societies everywhere for all time, by
nearly all members of those societies...... Your comparison is not
honest by many degrees of proportion..
Since belief in God is so ubiquitous, it is reasonable to conclude that
there is enough evidence to convince a reasonable person..Since belief
in Vampires is not believed in anything remotely as widespread, the
same claim of reasonableness cant honestly be made. Your excuse is that
everybody everywhaere is "stupid" which is pretty thin and exposes your
weak case
What part of FALLACY OF AREGUMENT AD NUMERUM or ARGUMENT AD POPULUM
are you still too stupid to understand?
GEt a frikking education before you come back.
And why do you keep lying about us to our faces?
If you hadn't been so stupid you wouldn't have been called "stupid".
You're the one without a case, who resorts to fallacies and personal
lies instead.
I didn't think so.
Nice try
A liar as well as an idiot.
I expect that the mental midget believes absolutely in the veracity of
horoscopes, and the reality of alien bovine anal-probes, as he firmly
bases his delusions upon popularity (rather than any form of reality,
or evidence).
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| User: "marcinmd" |
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24 Oct 2006 08:29:47 AM |
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I expect that the mental midget believes absolutely in the veracity of
horoscopes, and the reality of alien bovine anal-probes, as he firmly
bases his delusions upon popularity (rather than any form of reality,
or evidence).
So basically all you guys seem to offer are ad hominem personal attacks
and straw man arguments.... All a sure sign of defeat.
It is credible evidence that all through time and in all places people
by their good sense have seen a spiritual realm and God. The fact that
this is expressed differently does not make the case for God weaker in
any way..The mere fact that the basic conclusion is so universally
understood, is evidence of some level of Truth . The belief in God and
spirituality are in fact so universal to the human experience that
people are beginning to claim that it is even hard-wired into our
system genetically..
But when we look at Atheist States like the USSR and Red China and the
former Eastern Block, where the central tenet is Godlessness, we see
the real world result. Depravity and cruelty and abandonment of any
sort of moral compass...
Not only were these countries Atheist by official doctrine but they
were more over Ant-Christian.... Go read up what was done in Russia to
the Orthodox Church and it's members and then tell me you are proud to
be in the exact same bed with the perpetrators of these horrors.
The world has seen your Atheism in action and will never make that
mistake again. You are humping a totally discredited doctrine......Wake
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
24 Oct 2006 12:28:50 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 24 Oct 2006 06:29:47 -0700, "marcinmd"
<marcinmd@aol.com> let us all know that:
I expect that the mental midget believes absolutely in the veracity of
horoscopes, and the reality of alien bovine anal-probes, as he firmly
bases his delusions upon popularity (rather than any form of reality,
or evidence).
So basically all you guys seem to offer are ad hominem personal attacks
and straw man arguments.... All a sure sign of defeat.
It is credible evidence that all through time and in all places people
by their good sense have seen a spiritual realm and God.
No, that's just a claim. It's not evidence.
The world has seen what christian theocracies are like--full
of terror and burnings.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "marcinmd" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
24 Oct 2006 01:26:36 PM |
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No, that's just a claim. It's not evidence.<<
Er no..Thats a fact that is decent evidence for the reasonableness of
believing in God..Would you like to see the poll numbers for the USA
alone about how many people believe in God?
The world has seen what christian theocracies are like--full
of terror and burnings.<<
Christian Theocracies ???..Like Byzantium ? LOL
Lets just make sure that you guys dont blather on about how nice a
world it would be if you could just get rid of religion...The USSR is
strong evidence that Atheism is not beneficial in practice and leads to
depravity.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
24 Oct 2006 08:27:43 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 24 Oct 2006 11:26:36 -0700, "marcinmd"
<marcinmd@aol.com> let us all know that:
No, that's just a claim. It's not evidence.<<
Er no..Thats a fact that is decent evidence for the reasonableness of
believing in God.
No it isn't. Not unless you think appeal to numbers/appeal to
popularity ISN'T a fallacy. Which, of course, it is.
The world has seen what christian theocracies are like--full
of terror and burnings.<<
Christian Theocracies ???
Yes.
Lets just make sure that you guys dont blather on about how nice a
world it would be if you could just get rid of religion...The USSR is
strong evidence that Atheism is not beneficial in practice and leads to
depravity.
No it isn't. It's strong evidence that communism is not
beneficial in practice.
But, of course, you can feel free to lie and say that it's
atheism. But it's not. Especially since there are atheists such as
myself who are anarchocapitalists.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
25 Oct 2006 05:52:04 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:27:43 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 24 Oct 2006 11:26:36 -0700, "marcinmd"
<marcinmd@aol.com> let us all know that:
No, that's just a claim. It's not evidence.<<
Er no..Thats a fact that is decent evidence for the reasonableness of
believing in God.
No it isn't. Not unless you think appeal to numbers/appeal to
popularity ISN'T a fallacy. Which, of course, it is.
The world has seen what christian theocracies are like--full
of terror and burnings.<<
Christian Theocracies ???
Yes.
Lets just make sure that you guys dont blather on about how nice a
world it would be if you could just get rid of religion...The USSR is
strong evidence that Atheism is not beneficial in practice and leads to
depravity.
No it isn't. It's strong evidence that communism is not
beneficial in practice.
But, of course, you can feel free to lie and say that it's
atheism. But it's not. Especially since there are atheists such as
myself who are anarchocapitalists.
The brainwashed liar ignores all the Catholic communists in Cube,
Central and South America
The brainwashed liar pretends that religion hadn't been used by the
Czars in pre-soviet Russia to keep the serfs content with their
virtual slavery, and lies to himself and everybody else that the
reaction to this is anything to do with atheism.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
24 Oct 2006 01:54:07 PM |
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On 24 Oct 2006 11:26:36 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
No, that's just a claim. It's not evidence.<<
Er no..Thats a fact that is decent evidence for the reasonableness of
believing in God..Would you like to see the poll numbers for the USA
alone about how many people believe in God?
But ONLY the belief. Can you tell the difference?
The world has seen what christian theocracies are like--full
of terror and burnings.<<
Christian Theocracies ???..Like Byzantium ? LOL
Forgotten teh eils of teh Reformation? Thirty Years war? Even the
holocaust was the result of 2000 years of institutionalised
anti-Semitism.
Lets just make sure that you guys dont blather on about how nice a
world it would be if you could just get rid of religion...The USSR is
strong evidence that Atheism is not beneficial in practice and leads to
depravity.
When it creates brainwashed morons like yourself it needs to go.
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| User: "marcinmd" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
24 Oct 2006 03:11:53 PM |
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But ONLY the belief. Can you tell the difference?
Pay attention..... Most people believe in God..You can therefore
surmise that the case for the existence of God is reasonable...Most
people are reasonable.
The world has seen what Christian theocracies are like--full
of terror and burnings.<<
Christian Theocracies ???..Like Byzantium ? LOL
Forgotten the eils of teh Reformation? Thirty Years war? Even the
holocaust was the result of 2000 years of institutionalised
anti-Semitism.<<
None of those things were taught by Jesus Christ... They are
aberrations based on Heresies.
The atrocities against Christians by Atheist States were not
aberrations but were in fact a bona fide function of Official State
Atheism
Lets just make sure that you guys don't blather on about how nice a
world it would be if you could just get rid of religion...The USSR is
strong evidence that Atheism is not beneficial in practice and leads to
depravity.
When it creates brainwashed morons like yourself it needs to go.<<
All ad hominem attacks all the time.......... Tells much
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
24 Oct 2006 08:28:13 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 24 Oct 2006 13:11:53 -0700, "marcinmd"
<marcinmd@aol.com> let us all know that:
But ONLY the belief. Can you tell the difference?
Pay attention..... Most people believe in God..You can therefore
surmise that the case for the existence of God is reasonable..
Appeal to numbers/appeal to popularity fallacy.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
24 Oct 2006 03:23:19 PM |
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In article <1161720713.627096.213310@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> writes:
But ONLY the belief. Can you tell the difference?
Pay attention..... Most people believe in God..You can therefore
surmise that the case for the existence of God is reasonable...Most
people are reasonable.
Most people who believe in gods believe in the gods whose religion
they were brought up in. Therefore, since most people are reasonable,
it is reasonable to conclude that there are quite a number of gods,
-- all of whom at least existed at one time, although we may also infer,
equally reasonably, that some have died off.
-- cary
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| User: "marcinmd" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
24 Oct 2006 05:14:19 PM |
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Most people who believe in gods believe in the gods whose religion
they were brought up in. <<
It depends what time period you are speaking of.. Christianity
converted nearly the whole "known world" from other religions, mostly
Pagans.
Therefore, since most people are reasonable,
it is reasonable to conclude that there are quite a number of gods,<<
If you have a partisan agenda you could do that.. On the other hand,
you can conclude that people all see a divine realm and have believed
it actually exists.. How they then interpret this basic assumption has
varied but you can conclude that they all had at least a partial Truth,
that there is a Spiritual realm . We can then look further through
history and see a narrowing of belief from many Gods and Pantheism to
Mono-theism and then finally the Christian paradigm.
For example, in many forms of Buddhism the Lotus Sutra is considered
the final teaching. In it (chapter 16 to be specific) The Buddha
reveals himself to be an Eternally Existing Supreme Being, omniscient
and omni present who states " I will never leave. I will be with you
always"......... Sound familiar? So you can say that both Christ and
Buddha cant be the One True Supreme Being... Or you can say that the
early Chinese and later Japanese, isolated from any sort of western
influence, by their own natural sp itual sense....saw a God in heaven
and believed in him in their own way...
Here is a quote from a Chinese Bible printed at the turn of the 20th
century...
"In the Beginning there was the Tao...
And the Tao was with God...
And the Tao was God...
And the Tao was made flesh..
And dwelt among us... "
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
25 Oct 2006 05:37:44 AM |
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marcinmd wrote:
Most people who believe in gods believe in the gods whose religion
they were brought up in. <<
It depends what time period you are speaking of.. Christianity
converted nearly the whole "known world" from other religions, mostly
Pagans.
Why were not most people correct about the pagan gods. Were most
people unreasonable then?
Therefore, since most people are reasonable,
it is reasonable to conclude that there are quite a number of gods,<<
If you have a partisan agenda you could do that.. On the other hand,
you can conclude that people all see a divine realm and have believed
it actually exists.. How they then interpret this basic assumption has
varied but you can conclude that they all had at least a partial Truth,
that there is a Spiritual realm . We can then look further through
history and see a narrowing of belief from many Gods and Pantheism to
Mono-theism and then finally the Christian paradigm.
Or one can assume that most people can and have had beliefs that were
false, and that reality cannot be voted on.
snip. "
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