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Religions > Atheism |
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"Pastor Frank" |
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22 Oct 2006 03:39:59 AM |
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Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1161372178.780744.264580@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
No, that term should be reserved for people who... I don't know... think
the earth is only 6,000 years old, believe evolution doesn't happen, or
claim the moon landing was faked.
Straw Man argument... Only one tiny slice of the Christian World are
fundementalists..The historic Church, both the Eastern Orthodox Church
and the Roman Catholic Church dont believe in your characterization at
all.
It's like calling all Atheists Communists...Care to defend the
Gulag..and Mass Murder by the Stalinists..? The USSR was Officially
Athiest you know.
Atheism was the state religion of the USSSR producing some startling
results. See below
Pastor Frank
Preamble to: THE FRUITS OF MILITANT ATHEISM in the new USSR
By Brian Moynahan/The Faith: A History of Christianity/Doubleday,
NY/2002/pp. 670-674.
The unenlightened ego, with its drive to power and social control,
has been problematic both inside and outside of religion. The
preceding examples show the militant atheist ego at its murderous
worst. They also reveal that religionists are not the only people who
cower in the herd, as is shown by the Stalinists' pathetic recourse to
'atheist churches' such as the LEAGUE OF THE MILITANT GODLESS
and the Groups of THE GODLESS YOUTH, complete with 'hymns.'
= = = = = = = = = = = == = = == = = = = = = = == === = == =
A decree in January 1918... banned religious teaching in all
schools, colleges, and universities. All church buildings were taken
by the state... Church and monastic land was nationalized. No
compensation was offered for confiscated assets... Under the new
constitution, the clergy - together with capitalists, criminals, and
imbeciles - were deprived of the right to vote or hold state offices.
In practice this denied the clergy the right to food rations and their
children to education... the Orthodox Church was stripped of its legal
privileges, its land, and its source of income...
Calculated persecution returned after the Bolshevik victory in
1921. Lenin sanctioned terror as a form of pesticide to be used on
people whom he dehumanized as "harmful insects...scoundrel
fleas...bedbugs"... Émigrés estimated that 1200 priests and 28
bishops had been killed by 1923, and thousands of others, with monks
and nuns, were deported.
On Easter Day, 1925, the foundation congress of THE LEAGUE OF THE
MILITANT GODLESS was held. Its duty was to eradicate religion through
propaganda, pressure, and ridicule...
The method that Stalin used to force the peasantry onto collective
farms was terror-famine, and the result was a holocaust. Boris
Pasternak, who made a trip to gather material on collectivization,
found himself dumb with horror. "What I saw could not be expressed in
words... There was such inhuman, unimaginable misery, such a terrible
disaster, that it began to seem almost abstract, it would not fit
within the bounds of consciousness." Grain was confiscated from
starving families to gain hard currency for Stalin's industrialization
program... It is probable that fourteen million peasants died...
Communist activists led the grain searches, shot hoarders, and
herded families onto deportation transports as a matter of dogma; they
were pitiless, for dogma demanded "no concessions to
rightist-deviationist attitudes" and "no pacifism."...
Terror, and scientific atheism, was also applied to the Church.
Stalin introduced a Law of religious Associations in 1929 that banned
churches from all work with children and young people. Churches were
not allowed to organize reading rooms, libraries, excursions,
children's playgrounds, sewing groups, or bible readings; they could
not sponsor sanatoria or medical care; their priests were forbidden to
take part in any activity outside the immediate neighbourhood of the
"prayer building," the new name for "church." An attempt was made to
extinguish religion as a whole. The fury fell most harshly on the
Orthodox clergy, but thousands of other Christian priests, Baptists,
Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics,and mullahs and rabbis...were also
persecuted... some were shot, though most of those arrested suffered a
lingering death in the work camps of Siberia and the Arctic. Others
lived on the run...
Membership in THE LEAGUE OF THE MILITANT GODLESS reached five
million by 1935. Children between eight and fourteen were enrolled in
GROUPS OF GODLESS YOUTH before graduating to Komsomol, the League of
Communist Youth. Prizes were offered for the best "godless hymns" and
to children who denounced their parents for voicing anti-Party
sentiments... Only one in forty churches survived; the others were
smashed to rubble or turned into warehouses, offices, and museums.
The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in Moscow was destroyed with
dynamite, although care was taken to do so in the dead of night. A
Palace of Soviets topped by a huge statue of Lenin was to be built in
its place, but the site had weak foundations and it was used for a
giant open-air swimming pool instead. No churches or meeting places
were permitted in the new industrial cities...
In statistical terms the Godless looked to have won. There were
163 Orthodox bishops in 1914, and by 1939 only four survived in
freedom; of the old body of clergy 51,105 clergy, the number still in
their parishes was in the hundreds... "Religion is like a nail,"
Yaroslavsky wearily admitted. "The harder you strike it, the deeper
it goes."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = == =
LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.
.
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
22 Oct 2006 08:01:30 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.
------------------------
We need LOTS more of THAT if we can get rid of ***** LIKE YOU!
Steve
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
22 Oct 2006 10:12:00 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1161372178.780744.264580@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
No, that term should be reserved for people who... I don't know... think
the earth is only 6,000 years old, believe evolution doesn't happen, or
claim the moon landing was faked.
Straw Man argument... Only one tiny slice of the Christian World are
fundementalists..The historic Church, both the Eastern Orthodox Church
and the Roman Catholic Church dont believe in your characterization at
all.
It's like calling all Atheists Communists...Care to defend the
Gulag..and Mass Murder by the Stalinists..? The USSR was Officially
Athiest you know.
Atheism was the state religion of the USSSR producing some startling
results. See below
===>No, it was not, silly boy!
"Atheism" has NEVER been a "religion", it cannot be,
since it cannot "worship" anyone or any thing.
The state religion, if there was one, was MARXISM-LENINISM,
with Stalin as its pope. Stalin modeled it after the Church
of which he had studied to be the priest! -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
23 Oct 2006 05:06:57 AM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:453C3300.7090807@nothingbutthe.truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1161372178.780744.264580@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
No, that term should be reserved for people who... I don't know... think
the earth is only 6,000 years old, believe evolution doesn't happen, or
claim the moon landing was faked.
Straw Man argument... Only one tiny slice of the Christian World are
fundementalists..The historic Church, both the Eastern Orthodox Church
and the Roman Catholic Church dont believe in your characterization at
all.
It's like calling all Atheists Communists...Care to defend the
Gulag..and Mass Murder by the Stalinists..? The USSR was Officially
Athiest you know.
Atheism was the state religion of the USSSR producing some startling
results. See below
===>No, it was not, silly boy!
"Atheism" has NEVER been a "religion", it cannot be,
since it cannot "worship" anyone or any thing.
The state religion, if there was one, was MARXISM-LENINISM,
with Stalin as its pope. Stalin modeled it after the Church
of which he had studied to be the priest! -- L.
The US Federal court has declared atheism to be a religion with equal
rights with other religions. The case was brought by jail inmates wanting
equal time to those of a Bible study group.
Stalin's goons would make Christians destroy their Bibles and look
towards the state for any "salvation", or be killed. See below
Pastor Frank
Preamble to: THE FRUITS OF MILITANT ATHEISM in the new USSR
By Brian Moynahan/The Faith: A History of Christianity/Doubleday,
NY/2002/pp. 670-674.
The unenlightened ego, with its drive to power and social control,
has been problematic both inside and outside of religion. The
preceding examples show the militant atheist ego at its murderous
worst. They also reveal that religionists are not the only people who
cower in the herd, as is shown by the Stalinists' pathetic recourse to
'atheist churches' such as the LEAGUE OF THE MILITANT GODLESS
and the Groups of THE GODLESS YOUTH, complete with 'hymns.'
= = = = = = = = = = = == = = == = = = = = = = == === = == =
A decree in January 1918... banned religious teaching in all
schools, colleges, and universities. All church buildings were taken
by the state... Church and monastic land was nationalized. No
compensation was offered for confiscated assets... Under the new
constitution, the clergy - together with capitalists, criminals, and
imbeciles - were deprived of the right to vote or hold state offices.
In practice this denied the clergy the right to food rations and their
children to education... the Orthodox Church was stripped of its legal
privileges, its land, and its source of income...
Calculated persecution returned after the Bolshevik victory in
1921. Lenin sanctioned terror as a form of pesticide to be used on
people whom he dehumanized as "harmful insects...scoundrel
fleas...bedbugs"... Émigrés estimated that 1200 priests and 28
bishops had been killed by 1923, and thousands of others, with monks
and nuns, were deported.
On Easter Day, 1925, the foundation congress of THE LEAGUE OF THE
MILITANT GODLESS was held. Its duty was to eradicate religion through
propaganda, pressure, and ridicule...
The method that Stalin used to force the peasantry onto collective
farms was terror-famine, and the result was a holocaust. Boris
Pasternak, who made a trip to gather material on collectivization,
found himself dumb with horror. "What I saw could not be expressed in
words... There was such inhuman, unimaginable misery, such a terrible
disaster, that it began to seem almost abstract, it would not fit
within the bounds of consciousness." Grain was confiscated from
starving families to gain hard currency for Stalin's industrialization
program... It is probable that fourteen million peasants died...
Communist activists led the grain searches, shot hoarders, and
herded families onto deportation transports as a matter of dogma; they
were pitiless, for dogma demanded "no concessions to
rightist-deviationist attitudes" and "no pacifism."...
Terror, and scientific atheism, was also applied to the Church.
Stalin introduced a Law of religious Associations in 1929 that banned
churches from all work with children and young people. Churches were
not allowed to organize reading rooms, libraries, excursions,
children's playgrounds, sewing groups, or bible readings; they could
not sponsor sanatoria or medical care; their priests were forbidden to
take part in any activity outside the immediate neighbourhood of the
"prayer building," the new name for "church." An attempt was made to
extinguish religion as a whole. The fury fell most harshly on the
Orthodox clergy, but thousands of other Christian priests, Baptists,
Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics,and mullahs and rabbis...were also
persecuted... some were shot, though most of those arrested suffered a
lingering death in the work camps of Siberia and the Arctic. Others
lived on the run...
Membership in THE LEAGUE OF THE MILITANT GODLESS reached five
million by 1935. Children between eight and fourteen were enrolled in
GROUPS OF GODLESS YOUTH before graduating to Komsomol, the League of
Communist Youth. Prizes were offered for the best "godless hymns" and
to children who denounced their parents for voicing anti-Party
sentiments... Only one in forty churches survived; the others were
smashed to rubble or turned into warehouses, offices, and museums.
The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in Moscow was destroyed with
dynamite, although care was taken to do so in the dead of night. A
Palace of Soviets topped by a huge statue of Lenin was to be built in
its place, but the site had weak foundations and it was used for a
giant open-air swimming pool instead. No churches or meeting places
were permitted in the new industrial cities...
In statistical terms the Godless looked to have won. There were
163 Orthodox bishops in 1914, and by 1939 only four survived in
freedom; of the old body of clergy 51,105 clergy, the number still in
their parishes was in the hundreds... "Religion is like a nail,"
Yaroslavsky wearily admitted. "The harder you strike it, the deeper
it goes."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = == =
LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.
.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: ANOTHER GOD QUESTION |
23 Oct 2006 09:17:21 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:453C3300.7090807@nothingbutthe.truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1161372178.780744.264580@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
No, that term should be reserved for people who... I don't know... think
the earth is only 6,000 years old, believe evolution doesn't happen, or
claim the moon landing was faked.
Straw Man argument... Only one tiny slice of the Christian World are
fundementalists..The historic Church, both the Eastern Orthodox Church
and the Roman Catholic Church dont believe in your characterization at
all.
It's like calling all Atheists Communists...Care to defend the
Gulag..and Mass Murder by the Stalinists..? The USSR was Officially
Athiest you know.
Atheism was the state religion of the USSSR producing some startling
results. See below
===>No, it was not, silly boy!
"Atheism" has NEVER been a "religion", it cannot be,
since it cannot "worship" anyone or any thing.
The state religion, if there was one, was MARXISM-LENINISM,
with Stalin as its pope. Stalin modeled it after the Church
of which he had studied to be the priest! -- L.
The US Federal court has declared atheism to be a religion with equal
rights with other religions.
===>That is simply NOT TRUE.
Just another of your lies. -- L.
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