"JC" <dontbother@imouttatown.net> wrote:
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:|"cpt banjo" <cptbanjo@aol.com> wrote in message
:|news:1190646238.214305.122090@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
:|> On Sep 24, 9:31 am, "JC" <dontbot...@imouttatown.net> wrote:
:|>> "cpt banjo" <cptba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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:|>> news:1190643823.507833.226940@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
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:|>> > On Sep 24, 9:16 am, "JC" <dontbot...@imouttatown.net> wrote:
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:|>> >> If there was supposed to be a separation of church
:|>> >> and state in the US Constitution, why did the founders
:|>> >> put the words "in the year of our Lord" in it?
:|>>
:|>> > Because that was the conventional way of expressing dates in 1789.
:|>> > Good grief, if the Constitution had said that it was signed on
:|>> > Thursday, January 10, would it follow that the Founders believed in
:|>> > Thor and Janus?
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:|>
:|>> So why did they put "by our creator" in it?
:|>
:|> Those words don't appear in the Constitution.
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:|Oh *****. Parsing and separating and anything to try to deny the truth.
Thre truth is it isn't in the Constitution.
:|It's all a part of the founding of this country and this country was founded
:|by religious people.
Some were religious some weren't
:|It's as simple as that.
What is simple is they separated church and state.
:| And if you want to start
:|arguing for things that don't appear in the Constitution, how about this?
:|Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that there are certain places that
:|ones' religious convictions can not be expressed and nowwhere does it say
:|that anyone (including government employees) can not express their religious
:|views at anytime, anyplace, government property or not.
What it says is this
--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the
office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my
ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United
States."
but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any
office or public trust under the United States.
[BTW, that is the Sep Church State Clause]
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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