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User: "SDR"
Date: 28 Nov 2003 03:10:45 PM
Object: Re: Are Islam and Democracy Incompatible?
"Stand-Up Kid" <trippink@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:<3fc4aed2_2@news.tm.net.my>...

No! PLEASE re-READ MY REPLY TO YOUR POST
(which is included below):
In sum, I said: No matter what evil
either religion may say... that
evil is repudiated in the Judeo-Christian
civilization. If does not
matter to me whether there are
Christian/Jewish terrorists (any
more than whether there are "Muslim
terrorists")... the difference
is that Jews and Christians do not teach
the principles and hatred
of non-Jews/non-Christians while
Muslims DO teach hatred and
distrust of non-Muslims (in the course
of their general education).


Al-Qur'an teach hatred??

Surprise! (Perhaps you do not know what "hatred" means, you
poor ignorant fellow, which ignorance would not be surprising
if you are Muslim: No, hatred is NOT merely that "if somebody
tries to kill you--you hate him." It is, as Islam practices it:
When somebody wants to stop practicing the vicious and pointless
superstition of Islam and just live his life in peace (as should
be the right of every ***** human being alive) YOU MUST HATE
HIM with enough viciousness TO KILL HIM... pointlessly, I might
add, because THERE IS NO GOD just like there is no ghost, ghoul,
vampire, fairy, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, and "justice in the
world" (even more to the point because hatred only begets hatred,
and it is only love that begets love): Hussein and bin Laden
have done more to open the eyes of the blindly tolerant world
to the real danger that is Islam (in particular, & all
superstitions in general) than could all the many-words/ed
terrorist warnings ever issued by people who like to fight
cockroaches one cockroach at a time.)

You must be kidding, Al-Qur'an teach Muslim
only to fight back if others attack first,

Yes, isn't that sweet! I wonder how many countries in this war-
ridden planet of ours style their militaries & armies: "The
Conquest and Invasion Department" ...? Last time I checked
they ALL call theirs: "Department of Defense" (or some such).
But I am glad you concede that Islam is less a religion than
a military organization: Religions, such as Christianity or
Buddhism for example, unlike militaries, teach to "turn the
other cheek" EVEN when attacked, and teach to "love thy
enemy" BECAUSE unlike temporal militaries whose job is
to "kill and conquer," religions have this un-Islamic notion
that ALL human beings are the "children of God" (not just
the people wearing your uniform)... silly of them, eh dear
Muslim?... therefore true religions have a tendency to teach
tolerance and forgiveness, love and understanding of all
human beings, not simply among your given army's fellow
soldiers... as does Islam when it teaches that its highest
purpose is to make men Submit! (or, "Islam!") by any and
all means... and that traitors and deserters from Islam are
to be instantly executed. I believe most armies do that too,
execute traitors and deserters.) Islam was crafted by
Mohammed as a most effective mind-control to conquer the
barbarous Arab tribes, and it has remained THAT effective
to this day: I cannot predict whether Islam will or will not
conquer the world (it just might because being eternally at
war with the world of man Islam will either conquer or be
conquered and the fortunes of war are always fickle). But
I can predict that if/when it does... the world will look
very much like today's Islamic "slum world" everywhere...
out of which all the rats with any hope left of a better
life are desperately trying to jump ship for the West
every way they can (without knowing the terrible "Islamic
infection" they themselves are unwittingly spreading
everywhere they go because they do not understand the
damage of the superstition they carry with them). If that's
what you want, then fight for Islam. I know cretins will now
insist I am claiming Muslims are filthy sub-human animals
(or some such) spreading disease (but, frankly, at my age
I don't really care what people think of me): What I am
saying is that all people are the same stupid dumb beasts,
and that it's their philosophy, Horatio, and not anything
else about them that's the evil in them but what they think:
There are probably as many noble Muslims as there are
(undoubtedly) noble Christians (and just as there were many
noble Germans back during WWII): It's Nazism and Islam
that's rotten, not the populations they happen to enslave.
But the hope of the world is NOT to counter the superstition
of Islam with some other "more benign" superstition! Rather,
it is to increase the spread of knowledge and to vanquishing
as much of ignorance as we can: And, even as pessimistic
a person as I am... I yet hold great hopes myself that before
"the end of man" (which is far, far sooner than you think it
is): Knowledge, say I, may yet make great strides over our
human superstition.
But if not, the beauty of Islam's conquest of civilization is
that when Europe becomes a Muslim slum it will be forbidden
to ever against mention the glories of Western Civilization
ever even existed. (How many Muslims know the of glories of
Byzantium and of the Christian world they destroyed in the
Middle East? Not to mention the countless ancient civilizations
they destroyed in Persia, India, and from the crescent valley
to Africa?). And then shall we all again marvel how it was God
created the world a mere 4000 years ago of so, praise be to
God. And, Darwin? He was a demon sent by Satan, no question
there: Phew, we spit on him! We shall chop off the heads of
anyone who even dares to mention his name again. And what
of Beethoven, Mozart?... "Satan's drugs" to make us good
mindless slaves forget God. And Michelangelo, Velazques, and
da Vinci?... vile idol-makers whose decadent and corrupting
works should be burned and destroyed forever! since we should
all live like the Prophet (who never knew so much as a bicycle,
so bicycles too shall all be unmade & destroyed). Only guns
and/or other such "sophisticated weapons" are acceptable
because the highest purpose of Islam (or, "the dictatorship
of the proletariat" ... errr, I mean: "the dictatorship of
the faithful and submissive") is to enforce its principles,
and what better way to enforce anything than with weapons?
And, remember, dear children: Lies and betrayals are also
very useful weapons, says the Koran. It shall all be very
comforting then (absolute certainty always is); and then
shall we live in a slum created by a "loving and just God"
specifically for us, with all the nicely accompanying leprosies
to mark sinful people from the rest of us (unless we sin, of
course). Who could ask for anything more?

and while fighting no turning
back!! as Islam is a brave religion and do
not afraid to encounter any
enemies

You are wrong: It is not "Islam not afraid to encounter any
enemies" ... Islam always LOOKS for enemies (Islam preaches
that ALL non-Muslims are its enemies, either to be conquered
or killed). Islam teaches there are two exceptions: Jews and
Christians (which is why Hindus are slaughtered like pigs
and Islamic apologists boast that Jews and Christians were
permitted to "continue living" where Islam conquered); but
if Jews and Christians wished to be "spared" they MUST pay
a special tax to acknowledge that Islam is superior to their
"contemptible superstitions" and must wear special clothes,
and not practice "their superstitions" in public, and not
testify in court against Muslims (so that any Muslim can
commit any crime he chooses to with utter/complete impunity
against all Jews and Christians)... and, well, I don't have
to tell you all the ways Islam has of telling Jews/Christians
they're not "fully" human beings: If you're a pious Muslim
you know them. [But why is it that the least trespass against
any Mosque brings about such moral outrage to all high-moral
Muslims... when the greatest Churches in Christendom are now
Mosques? Are we perhaps about to see Muslims give back
Byzantium's Church of Wisdom to Christianity... because
Muslims "now" are such high moral people maybe... and so
morally outraged "now" by the violation of sacred sites?)
Hold not thy breath: So, why Israel does not make the al-Aqsa
Mosque their Third Temple... I will never understand
--especially since it is historically the common practice
of Muslims themselves to desecrate people's holy sites...
which practice it was that triggered Europe's historical
Crusades as certainly as it is the Palestinians who are
the ones building Israel's defensive wall today... which
"fence" or "wall," since it is only the Palestinians who
can stop it, nothing can stop from completion.] Try to pray
to "your" God in Saudi Arabia, if you are Christian or Jew,
and see what respect for other people's faith means to Muslims.
And so "respect" for Islam by non-Muslims has always amused
and perplexed me, frankly.

(perhaps this is translated by anti-Islam as aggresion) let me
recite the surahs from Noble Qur'an:

Again with the surahs!? Listen, my little raisin-brained Muslim
fellow--Read my lips: "It's not what is written but what is
practiced that matters." Nobody cares or should care what's
in a man's heart... men should be judged by their actions.
And Islam is made vile by the vile actions of Muslims now
as in the past, not by whom it was told us about them. ALL
of these ancient religious writings, whatever their source,
are the cretinous sproutings of horrifically ignorant brutes
a couple of hairs removed from raving, bloodthirsty apes:
Get it in your head: THERE IS NO GOD, THERE NEVER WAS
ANY GOD, AND THERE COULD NEVER EVER HAVE BEEN A GOD because
ours is a world in which no uncaused effect can exist... and
that right there rules out all miracles (or we live in a
hopelessly crazy Wonderland too insane for even Alice to find
her way through). The real wonder of all this is what you, as
any kind of Muslim, are doing bathing in the freedoms of the
Internet... where you cannot be easily protected from ideas
which may liberate you from the mindless obedience to Allah
Islam demands of all Muslims!?!?! I should really report you
to your imam for immediate beheading. And I just might.

[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD
against those who attack you,
but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.

If only GOD taught this to Muslims it would be such a dreamy
world, instead of the nightmare Muslims have unleashed against
the world... because men being what they are: we always pick
the sayings which support our evil intentions (from the available
sayings, even if most of them are "saying we should be good"):
This is the reason we should use our human judgment rather than
close our eyes to logic and dumbly follow the dictums of a dark
past... when people did not have as many "points of light" as
we ourselves now have to discover the path to be followed. The
greatness of the great men of science if that their ideas are
still relevant in our lives, not that we are relevant in their
ideas. The key to human progress is abandoning the ideas that no
longer work: That's also the explanation to Islamic stagnation
and why ALL Islamic peoples are being "left behind" the West.
If you really wish to be helpful: Curse, denounce, spit upon
the evil in the Koran... instead of ignoring it, defending it,
trying to deflect our attention from it. I was born a Christian
and even attended Catholic indoctrination (at the Marists's)
and yet I denounce, curse, & spit on any and all evil in the
Christian Bible in general and in Catholic dogma in particular.
But that's just because I may be a far nobler, honorable, and
righteous "sweetheart of a guy" than you. Or maybe it's just
that I am simply not enslaved by Islam... and free to think
(small things like that can make a really big difference).
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://democracy.sdrodrian.com
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