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"Pastor Frank" |
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16 Jul 2004 07:53:22 AM |
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Re: Are you a good person? |
"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
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The_Sage <theeSage@azrmci.net> wrote:
True enough to you and me - but a believer would no doubt claim that
their God has done so, and how would you go about disproving it?
You are resorting to a logical fallacy by requesting disproof where no
proof was given. One cannot disprove something that doesn't exist.
I am not requesting any such thing, since I do not believe in the
Christian
God. Note the words "to you and me". I am pointing out the response I
believe bob would have been likely to receive from a believer.
If you "don't believe in the Christian God" then why are you posting to
Christian NGs? Are you trying to proselytize us? I will re-post to atheist
NGs.
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
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| User: "Bob" |
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17 Jul 2004 08:28:32 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
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The_Sage <theeSage@azrmci.net> wrote:
True enough to you and me - but a believer would no doubt claim that
their God has done so, and how would you go about disproving it?
You are resorting to a logical fallacy by requesting disproof where no
proof was given. One cannot disprove something that doesn't exist.
I am not requesting any such thing, since I do not believe in the
Christian
God. Note the words "to you and me". I am pointing out the response I
believe bob would have been likely to receive from a believer.
If you "don't believe in the Christian God" then why are you posting
to
Christian NGs? Are you trying to proselytize us? I will re-post to atheist
NGs.
Pastor Frank
If you don't what us MOCKING your stupidity, then, by all means stop posting
to us
so we won't respond to your being an idiot and a liar.
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: In whose opinion are you a good person? |
18 Jul 2004 03:03:24 AM |
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"Bob" <somebody@SOMEPLACE.COM> wrote in message
news:4Q9Kc.29203$oW6.5765805@twister.nyc.rr.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:290Kc.1238$2l5.122@nntp-post.primus.ca...
"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
news:Xns95277F55CB3EFLibriumLibertasEst@217.32.252.50...
The_Sage <theeSage@azrmci.net> wrote:
True enough to you and me - but a believer would no doubt claim that
their God has done so, and how would you go about disproving it?
You are resorting to a logical fallacy by requesting disproof where
no
proof was given. One cannot disprove something that doesn't exist.
I am not requesting any such thing, since I do not believe in the
Christian
God. Note the words "to you and me". I am pointing out the response
I
believe bob would have been likely to receive from a believer.
If you "don't believe in the Christian God" then why are you posting
to
Christian NGs? Are you trying to proselytize us? I will re-post to
atheist
NGs.
If you don't what us MOCKING your stupidity, then, by all means stop
posting
to us so we won't respond to your being an idiot and a liar.
I post in our pristine Christian NG to other Christians, not to trolling
atheists like yourself. At least your atheist pals now know what an
intolerant, hate-filled buffoon you really are, not just cross-posting, but
posting your "MOCKING" atheist clap-trap exclusively to our pristine
Christian NGs, under an inappropriate name no less.
Your activities were prophesied eons ago. See below
Pastor Frank
2Pt:3:3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, chasing after their own lusts.
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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22 Jul 2004 01:59:52 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> writes:
"Gwar" <xeno@xor.qua> wrote in message
news:20040721065229.M7627@synergy.transbay.net...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:
... I do not need to judge myself, nor forgive myself ...
All your religious rhetoric spins around & alludes to this very need that
you deny. Obviously, religion doesn't solve this issue for you.
Only those who judge themselves need to forgive themselves. To do that
they need neither God nor Him as Christ the redeemer. Forgiving oneself
works about as well as pulling oneself out of quick-sand by one's own
bootstraps.
Shame is the quick-sand you're alluding to. You do judge yourself & all
your religious puffery is just denial.
"Religious puffery" you mean atheist idiocy, don't you. You AGAIN post
atheism to exclusively Christian NGs. STOP doing that. I will post your
atheism to your atheist NGs.
Witness again, Pastor Frank is berating an atheist for cross-posting into
a Christian newsgroup. How did the crossposting originate? Frank
cross-posted the thread into alt.atheism. Frank is now screaming at
others to clean up a mess that he made.
Pastor Frank, you are a shameless liar and a hypocrite.
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See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
http://www.virginiaisforhaters.org/
d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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27 Jul 2004 02:09:35 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> writes:
"Gwar" <xeno@xor.qua> wrote in message
news:20040721065229.M7627@synergy.transbay.net...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:
... I do not need to judge myself, nor forgive myself ...
All your religious rhetoric spins around & alludes to this very need that
you deny. Obviously, religion doesn't solve this issue for you.
Only those who judge themselves need to forgive themselves. To do that
they need neither God nor Him as Christ the redeemer. Forgiving oneself
works about as well as pulling oneself out of quick-sand by one's own
bootstraps.
Shame is the quick-sand you're alluding to. You do judge yourself & all
your religious puffery is just denial.
Religion is NOT "puffery" in religious NGs, and you are pushing again
atheism down our throats. I shall post you over to your atheist NGs.
He didn't say that religion is "puffery", Pastor Frank the Lying Coward,
he said that you engage in religious puffery, which is true.
You are nothing but a liar and a fraud. You're a fake pastor, and your
lies to the contrary do not fool anyone.
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See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
http://www.virginiaisforhaters.org/
d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| User: "HarCo Industries" |
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20 Jul 2004 10:41:38 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<QoyKc.4850$FT1.630@nntp-post.primus.ca>...
I post in our pristine Christian NG to other Christians, not to trolling
atheists like yourself.
Well, not all that pristine, not sense we started the oil drilling.
But I am confident it will have a minimal impact on the local flora
and fauna.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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18 Jul 2004 02:13:53 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
"Bob" <somebody@SOMEPLACE.COM> wrote in message
news:4Q9Kc.29203$oW6.5765805@twister.nyc.rr.com...
If you don't what us MOCKING your stupidity, then, by all means stop posting
to us so we won't respond to your being an idiot and a liar.
I post in our pristine Christian NG to other Christians, not to trolling
atheists like yourself.
Actually you go too far trying to appear to be a contemtporary Christian.
The best trolls observe and try to mimic their targets. The worst try to
"out Christian the Christians," in this case, and aren't believable.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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19 Jul 2004 06:11:00 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10flj2ko7fmda2a@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
"Bob" <somebody@SOMEPLACE.COM> wrote in message
news:4Q9Kc.29203$oW6.5765805@twister.nyc.rr.com...
If you don't what us MOCKING your stupidity, then, by all means stop
posting
to us so we won't respond to your being an idiot and a liar.
I post in our pristine Christian NG to other Christians, not to trolling
atheists like yourself.
Actually you go too far trying to appear to be a contemtporary Christian.
The best trolls observe and try to mimic their targets. The worst try to
"out Christian the Christians," in this case, and aren't believable.
Glad you catch on. Christians are not to make themselves "believable"
but uplift, advocate, extol and promote Christ and make HIM "believable".
Christians are not to be self-centred like atheists, but Christ-centred in
all they do.
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:12:32: And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw
all men unto me.
Jesus in Rv:3:20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man
hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with
him, and he with me.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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20 Jul 2004 09:54:31 AM |
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:11:00 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
Glad you catch on. Christians are not to make themselves "believable"
but uplift, advocate, extol and promote Christ and make HIM "believable".
How are you going to make your gods believable, if you, your self, are
not?
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "Mark Daly" |
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| Title: Re: Who Started this cross post, why it was Freaky Frankie (are youa good person?) |
18 Jul 2004 02:07:05 PM |
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Freakie,
I quite agree that the originator of this cross post is an "intolerant,
hate filled buffoon" and I must also add an useless pathetic dime a
dozen ignorant twit with delusional episodes and persecution fantasies.
But I was really surprised to see you describe yourself as "intolerant,
hate filled buffoon" maybe if you continue with group session or your
visits to you shrink, you may one day be a considerate, tolerant,
honest, and compassionate human being, instead of the intolerant,
delusion, bigoted, misanthrope that we all wish would just shut up and
leave us in peace.
Also Frank, despite your paranoid tendencies, I don't scoff at your
religion, I don't share your religion. Because I refuse to believe in
any form mythology or fiction created by mankind. However if you need
that belief to exist, than I say more power to you, and enjoy your life.
I am quite tolerant of Christianity. All I expect in return is that same
tolerance, that you leave me in peace. Unfortunately a minority of
Christianity, the ignorant, bigoted, hate filled fundamentalist like
yourself have no idea what the term tolerance means.
And Finally Frank, you are going to lie about something, you should at
least pick a believable lie, and one that is not so easy to validate.
You started this cross post on (2004-07-16 19:35:47 PST) by cross
posting your reply to Midjis. Before that all the post were confined to
various Christian group. And if some idiot cross post his rant, like you
did, fully expect those people to tell you how full of ***** you really
are. Frank you are a delusional idiot, your rants are always the same,
full of the same extreme disdain, contempt, and derision for atheist.
You insults, which I once thought was original and creative, have been
reused and reused for years without any new material. YOu are boring and
pathetic, get some new material, please your old stuff is predicable and
dumb.
M. Daly
Pastor Frank wrote:
I post in our pristine Christian NG to other Christians, not to trolling
atheists like yourself. At least your atheist pals now know what an
intolerant, hate-filled buffoon you really are, not just cross-posting, but
posting your "MOCKING" atheist clap-trap exclusively to our pristine
Christian NGs, under an inappropriate name no less.
Your activities were prophesied eons ago. See below
Pastor Frank
2Pt:3:3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, chasing after their own lusts.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Who Started this cross post, why it was Freaky Frankie (are you a good person?) |
21 Jul 2004 12:31:20 PM |
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"Mark Daly" <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:40FACA5A.3070307@mindspring.com...
Freakie,
I quite agree that the originator of this cross post is an "intolerant,
hate filled buffoon" and I must also add an useless pathetic dime a
dozen ignorant twit with delusional episodes and persecution fantasies.
Thanks for admitting that much. It's a start, and all you need to do to
be saved is repent of it and invite Christ into your heart.
Btw I seldom cross post, except when hate-filled atheists post their
stinky turds to ONLY our pristine Christian NGs, then I don't mind mailing
them back to their atheist NGs. Hope you don't mind likewise.
In principle I like atheists to cross-post to our Christian NGs, if the
material posted is relevant and the language is suitable.
Pastor Frank
SATAN'S MINIONS
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mt:6:21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mt:12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good
things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mt:12:35: A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth
forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth
evil things.
2Pt:3:3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts.
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| User: "Mark Daly" |
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| Title: Re: Who Started this cross post, why it was Freaky Frankie (are youa good person?) |
23 Jul 2004 04:16:52 PM |
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Frankie,
As for "repenting" my sins and your fiction. I haven't done anything
really wrong. I live my life, I go to work, I help anyone, that I can
when I can. I am tolerant to those who disagree with me, (i.e.
Christians). Despite your belief frankie, it doesn't require a fictional
concept of a god to be a kind person, or to be a good person. SO my only
real supposed sin by your book, is that I reject the fiction of a god.
So thanks, but no thanks, a fictional or mythological god is
unnecessary. So I reject your concept of a god just like I reject the
thousand of other concepts of gods that are being worshipped or have
been worshipped in history by the various fractions of humanity.
Frankie, your originally cross posted your reply to Midjis in my group.
From a little research, Midjis was responding to you, when you
responded a cross posted thread started from apparently someone named
the sage. So the only people who are officially "cross" posters are you
and Sage. I don't know the sage at all, so I am not sure how well your
description is of him. but I do know you quite well, and I know it is a
dead bang on you. Which is why I thought it was so hilarious, Frankie
was cursing himself, instead of his normal mode of cursing everyone else.
Frankie, you once called me a "greedy child molester" because I was
beat up by my churches deacons sons three on one. my crime asking
questions. You also once told me that my catch phrase "to each his own"
is actually an totalitarian philosophy bent on destroying Christianity
and the world. Frankie, you don't like anyone who doesn't agree with
you. If you don't want atheist posting in your group, than I would
suggest that you don't cross post to atheist groups. You can remove
groups from the headers as well as add them, you know.
M. Daly
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Mark Daly" <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:40FACA5A.3070307@mindspring.com...
Freakie,
I quite agree that the originator of this cross post is an "intolerant,
hate filled buffoon" and I must also add an useless pathetic dime a
dozen ignorant twit with delusional episodes and persecution fantasies.
Thanks for admitting that much. It's a start, and all you need to do to
be saved is repent of it and invite Christ into your heart.
Btw I seldom cross post, except when hate-filled atheists post their
stinky turds to ONLY our pristine Christian NGs, then I don't mind mailing
them back to their atheist NGs. Hope you don't mind likewise.
In principle I like atheists to cross-post to our Christian NGs, if the
material posted is relevant and the language is suitable.
Pastor Frank
SATAN'S MINIONS
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mt:6:21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mt:12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good
things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mt:12:35: A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth
forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth
evil things.
2Pt:3:3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Who Started this cross post, why it was Freaky Frankie (are you a good person?) |
24 Jul 2004 03:21:48 PM |
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"Mark Daly" <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:41018042.7090608@mindspring.com...
Frankie,
As for "repenting" my sins and your fiction. I haven't done anything
really wrong. I live my life, I go to work, I help anyone, that I can
when I can. I am tolerant to those who disagree with me, (i.e.
Christians). Despite your belief frankie, it doesn't require a fictional
concept of a god to be a kind person, or to be a good person. SO my only
real supposed sin by your book, is that I reject the fiction of a god.
So thanks, but no thanks, a fictional or mythological god is
unnecessary. So I reject your concept of a god just like I reject the
thousand of other concepts of gods that are being worshipped or have
been worshipped in history by the various fractions of humanity.
Frankie, your originally cross posted your reply to Midjis in my group.
From a little research, Midjis was responding to you, when you
responded a cross posted thread started from apparently someone named
the sage. So the only people who are officially "cross" posters are you
and Sage. I don't know the sage at all, so I am not sure how well your
description is of him. but I do know you quite well, and I know it is a
dead bang on you. Which is why I thought it was so hilarious, Frankie
was cursing himself, instead of his normal mode of cursing everyone else.
Frankie, you once called me a "greedy child molester" because I was
beat up by my churches deacons sons three on one. my crime asking
questions. You also once told me that my catch phrase "to each his own"
is actually an totalitarian philosophy bent on destroying Christianity
and the world. Frankie, you don't like anyone who doesn't agree with
you. If you don't want atheist posting in your group, than I would
suggest that you don't cross post to atheist groups. You can remove
groups from the headers as well as add them, you know.
Not at all, atheists are welcome to cross-post to Christian Ngs. We
object ONLY about atheists making their home in our pristine Christian NGs,
to post their atheist hate, trash and flames exclusively in our religious
NGs.
You also must have mixed me up with someone else, I don't condone man's
inhumanity to man or call anyone getting beat up 3 to 1 a "child-molester".
We get a lot of people here who lost their minds to drugs. Are you sure you
still got all your marbles?
Pastor Frank
LOVE
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Jesus in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command...
21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me.
He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show
myself to him."
23 "...If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love
him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you
hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."
1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it
does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it
keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails.
1 John 4:7-13 (KJV) "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of
God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that
loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. In this was manifested the
love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into
the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we
loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for
our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth
in us, and his love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell in
him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit."
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| Title: Re: Who Started this cross post, why it was Freaky Frankie (are you a good person?) |
25 Jul 2004 08:08:21 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<QGEMc.18984$Mk4.9743@nntp-post.primus.ca>...
"Mark Daly" <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:41018042.7090608@mindspring.com...
You also must have mixed me up with someone else, I don't condone man's
inhumanity to man or call anyone getting beat up 3 to 1 a "child-molester".
We get a lot of people here who lost their minds to drugs. Are you sure you
still got all your marbles?
Pastor Frank
pastor frank, christians are some of the worst kind of child
molestors, christians lose their marbles all the time, then
compensate by lying and stealing marbles from someone else, then start
wars for the love of marbles, but christians dont use drugs, jesus is
their drug, torturing and butchering, lying and stealing get them
HIGH, LOL.
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| User: "Mark Daly" |
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25 Jul 2004 02:48:58 PM |
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Frankie,
One, Frankie I only post in alt.athiesm. I find it personally
incredibility rude to cross post, and to get into other people faces
about their "reliance on fiction" If the person need the concept of a
god to exist in today’s society, than more power to them. All I ask for
is the same consideration. Something people like you will never give me.
My drug of choice is Aspirin, generic brand. I suffer from frequent
headache. It is an after effect of my dyslexia, and forcing myself to
read continuously. It has been years upon years since I have drank any
alcohol. As for narcotics, Oh, please I detest any of delusion, and
prefer only objective reality. It is one of the main reasons that I am
an atheist. Facts maybe cruel and hard to accept sometimes, but they are
never ***** and they are always provable and rational.
Frankie, believe me or not, it will not change the facts of the
situation, you did call me a child molester, for being beat up the good
little angels of the church (i.e. the deacons children) and damned by
churches hierarchy for the unpardonable crime of asking questions. It
was in a post very similar to this one about "morals." It was somewhere
between 5 to 6 years ago, when you trolled thru our group and stayed for
a year or two. You are an unforgettable jerk, at least to me. You told
me that I hated my father; it was three months after died of cancer.
That was the one time in dealing with you that I broke down and cussed
you out. It ended you were talking about your fictional god, then you
further threw insult about my father including the possibility that he
wasn’t my father, and that my mother was a *****. Which was incredibly
amusing, because if you knew my mother and fathers relationship and
despite the fact that I am a near duplicate of my father, except a
little taller, and with sandy hair. You left our group, when a bunch of
us broke out our abnormal psychology books and started profiling you.
So Frankie, I know you, you are a pathetic dime a dozen fundy fanatic.
You hate, despise and demean everything that disagrees with you. You are
obsessed with atheists, and have had quire a few paranoid delusional
episodes about how all atheists are seeking to harm you personally and
are seeking to destroy Christianity. You generalize everything, and know
very little about atheism.
M. Daly
Pastor Frank wrote:
Not at all, atheists are welcome to cross-post to Christian Ngs. We
object ONLY about atheists making their home in our pristine Christian NGs,
to post their atheist hate, trash and flames exclusively in our religious
NGs.
You also must have mixed me up with someone else, I don't condone man's
inhumanity to man or call anyone getting beat up 3 to 1 a "child-molester".
We get a lot of people here who lost their minds to drugs. Are you sure you
still got all your marbles?
Pastor Frank
LOVE
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Jesus in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command...
21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me.
He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show
myself to him."
23 "...If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love
him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you
hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."
1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it
does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it
keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails.
1 John 4:7-13 (KJV) "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of
God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that
loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. In this was manifested the
love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into
the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we
loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for
our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth
in us, and his love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell in
him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit."
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26 Jul 2004 03:01:51 AM |
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"Mark Daly" <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:41040EA2.3020609@mindspring.com...
One, Frankie I only post in alt.athiesm. I find it personally
incredibility rude to cross post,
I find it "incredibly rude" for an atheist to post atheism exclusively
to Christian NGs. However it should be only good manners for an atheist
posting primarily to his own atheist home NG, to cross post to Christian NG
whenever he talks about the Christian belief system, rather than talk about
Christ and his Christians only behind their backs so to speak.
You are always welcome to crosspost material that deals with religion to
our pristine Christian NGs, providing of course you use appropriate language
and refrain from ad hominem.
Pastor Frank
THE MANDATE OF JESUS
**Jesus in Lk:4:18: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath
anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the
broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of
sight to the blind.
**Jesus in Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are
whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to
call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
**Jesus in Lk:9:56: For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives,
but to save them.
**Jesus Mt:18:11: For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
**Jesus in Jn:12:47: And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge
him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
**Jesus in Lk:15:7: I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven
over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons,
which need no repentance.
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26 Jul 2004 04:03:48 PM |
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Frankie,
The question is if you don't like atheist posting in your "laughable"
pristine Christian groups. Why do you start flame wars between atheist
and Christian groups to begin with. And Frankie, you definitely start
this one. Also Frankie, I have told you before that you have no concept
of atheism. I have seen you label a pantheist, a neo wiccan, a half
dozen or so agnostics, and even a couple of Christians as atheist. They
are not. To you an atheist is someone who disagrees with you. I am
afraid that is not an atheist. An Atheist is someone who rejects all
concepts of a god or gods.
If I attempt to convert Christians to atheism, then I would be as
guilty of harassment, attempted oppression, and being an intolerant *****
like you and other like you that troll into atheist groups trying to
save us with our fiction. Second point, why on earth would I care that
you and other Christian need the concept of a god in order to find
meaning in life. Hence my catch phrase, "to each his own." You control
your life, and your opinions. I control my life and my opinions. Where
is the conflict. So Frankie, I am not an intolerant ***** such as yourself.
Also Frankie, I find something a little funny, unless you are the only
Christian posting in your "pristine" group. Why are you the only one
that is actively flaming the opposition. Two of the christian that stuck
their nose in this and other thread briefly have recently posted in
alt.athiesm in non crossed threads. So Frankie, has the others in your
"pristine" group kill filed you so they don't have to be reminded that
such an intolerant ***** is a Christian.
M. Daly
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Mark Daly" <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:41040EA2.3020609@mindspring.com...
One, Frankie I only post in alt.athiesm. I find it personally
incredibility rude to cross post,
I find it "incredibly rude" for an atheist to post atheism exclusively
to Christian NGs. However it should be only good manners for an atheist
posting primarily to his own atheist home NG, to cross post to Christian NG
whenever he talks about the Christian belief system, rather than talk about
Christ and his Christians only behind their backs so to speak.
You are always welcome to crosspost material that deals with religion to
our pristine Christian NGs, providing of course you use appropriate language
and refrain from ad hominem.
Pastor Frank
THE MANDATE OF JESUS
**Jesus in Lk:4:18: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath
anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the
broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of
sight to the blind.
**Jesus in Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are
whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to
call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
**Jesus in Lk:9:56: For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives,
but to save them.
**Jesus Mt:18:11: For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
**Jesus in Jn:12:47: And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge
him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
**Jesus in Lk:15:7: I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven
over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons,
which need no repentance.
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26 Jul 2004 04:06:34 PM |
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***** Typo, Soory for the inconvenance.
Sentence should be
If I attempt to convert Christians to atheism, then I would be as guilty
of harassment, attempted oppression, and being an intolerant ***** like
you and other like you that troll into atheist groups trying to save us
with your fiction.
M. Daly
Mark Daly wrote:
Frankie,
The question is if you don't like atheist posting in your
"laughable" pristine Christian groups. Why do you start flame wars
between atheist and Christian groups to begin with. And Frankie, you
definitely start this one. Also Frankie, I have told you before that you
have no concept of atheism. I have seen you label a pantheist, a neo
wiccan, a half dozen or so agnostics, and even a couple of Christians as
atheist. They are not. To you an atheist is someone who disagrees with
you. I am afraid that is not an atheist. An Atheist is someone who
rejects all concepts of a god or gods.
If I attempt to convert Christians to atheism, then I would be as
guilty of harassment, attempted oppression, and being an intolerant *****
like you and other like you that troll into atheist groups trying to
save us with our fiction. Second point, why on earth would I care that
you and other Christian need the concept of a god in order to find
meaning in life. Hence my catch phrase, "to each his own." You control
your life, and your opinions. I control my life and my opinions. Where
is the conflict. So Frankie, I am not an intolerant ***** such as yourself.
Also Frankie, I find something a little funny, unless you are the
only Christian posting in your "pristine" group. Why are you the only
one that is actively flaming the opposition. Two of the christian that
stuck their nose in this and other thread briefly have recently posted
in alt.athiesm in non crossed threads. So Frankie, has the others in
your "pristine" group kill filed you so they don't have to be reminded
that such an intolerant ***** is a Christian.
M. Daly
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Mark Daly" <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:41040EA2.3020609@mindspring.com...
One, Frankie I only post in alt.athiesm. I find it personally
incredibility rude to cross post,
I find it "incredibly rude" for an atheist to post atheism
exclusively
to Christian NGs. However it should be only good manners for an atheist
posting primarily to his own atheist home NG, to cross post to
Christian NG
whenever he talks about the Christian belief system, rather than talk
about
Christ and his Christians only behind their backs so to speak.
You are always welcome to crosspost material that deals with
religion to
our pristine Christian NGs, providing of course you use appropriate
language
and refrain from ad hominem.
Pastor Frank
THE MANDATE OF JESUS
**Jesus in Lk:4:18: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath
anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the
broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of
sight to the blind.
**Jesus in Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that
are
whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came
not to
call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
**Jesus in Lk:9:56: For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's
lives,
but to save them.
**Jesus Mt:18:11: For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
**Jesus in Jn:12:47: And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I
judge
him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
**Jesus in Lk:15:7: I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven
over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just
persons,
which need no repentance.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Jul 2004 11:04:06 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:03:48 +0000 in episode
<410571B5.9000805@mindspring.com> we saw our hero Mark Daly
<fritoes@mindspring.com>:
Frankie,
The question is if you don't like atheist posting in your "laughable"
pristine Christian groups. Why do you start flame wars between atheist and
Christian groups to begin with.
Because he likes flame wars. He's been doing this kind of thing for six
years or more...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Mark Daly" |
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27 Jul 2004 06:13:56 PM |
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Mark,
Actually I think it is more a psychological need to portray or delude
himself that he is persecuted one, and additionally to view and delude
himself that all athiest are evil, immoral people, out to destroy
morality, christainity, and of course Frank himself. He sees himself as
good guy slash hero, all athiest as the despicable villian, you know boo
hiss type. And of course what good is a good guy that doesn't annonce to
to the villians, that his is the good guy. At this is way it alway
appeared to me when I had to deal with him.
M. Daly
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:03:48 +0000 in episode
<410571B5.9000805@mindspring.com> we saw our hero Mark Daly
<fritoes@mindspring.com>:
Frankie,
The question is if you don't like atheist posting in your "laughable"
pristine Christian groups. Why do you start flame wars between atheist and
Christian groups to begin with.
Because he likes flame wars. He's been doing this kind of thing for six
years or more...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Jul 2004 07:44:46 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:13:56 +0000 in episode
<4106E1AC.3070504@mindspring.com> we saw our hero Mark Daly
<fritoes@mindspring.com>:
Mark,
Actually I think it is more a psychological need to portray or delude
himself that he is persecuted one, and additionally to view and delude
himself that all athiest are evil, immoral people, out to destroy
morality, christainity, and of course Frank himself. He sees himself as
good guy slash hero, all athiest as the despicable villian, you know boo
hiss type. And of course what good is a good guy that doesn't annonce to
to the villians, that his is the good guy. At this is way it alway
appeared to me when I had to deal with him.
Yeah, Flake needs "persecution" to boost his sad ego. And goes out of his
way to provoke people so he can preen his martyr feathers...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 Jul 2004 10:39:12 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:44:46 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:13:56 +0000 in episode
<4106E1AC.3070504@mindspring.com> we saw our hero Mark Daly
<fritoes@mindspring.com>:
Mark,
Actually I think it is more a psychological need to portray or delude
himself that he is persecuted one, and additionally to view and delude
himself that all athiest are evil, immoral people, out to destroy
morality, christainity, and of course Frank himself. He sees himself as
good guy slash hero, all athiest as the despicable villian, you know boo
hiss type. And of course what good is a good guy that doesn't annonce to
to the villians, that his is the good guy. At this is way it alway
appeared to me when I had to deal with him.
Yeah, Flake needs "persecution" to boost his sad ego. And goes out of his
way to provoke people so he can preen his martyr feathers...
Frankenfundy's the problem. It is anything but a solution.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Jul 2004 11:03:36 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:01:51 -0400 in episode
<Rk3Nc.21774$0B6.4171@nntp-post.primus.ca> we saw our hero "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com>:
"Mark Daly" <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:41040EA2.3020609@mindspring.com...
One, Frankie I only post in alt.athiesm. I find it personally
incredibility rude to cross post,
I find it "incredibly rude" for an atheist to post atheism exclusively
to Christian NGs.
Something you've accused me of doing. Which, by the way, is a lie. I post
to a.a. *only. I entered these threads *after you cross-posted them.
However it should be only good manners for an atheist
posting primarily to his own atheist home NG, to cross post to Christian
NG whenever he talks about the Christian belief system, rather than talk
about Christ and his Christians only behind their backs so to speak.
You are always welcome to crosspost material that deals with religion
to
our pristine Christian NGs, providing of course you use appropriate
language and refrain from ad hominem.
You don't run Usenet Frank. You never have and you never will.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 Jul 2004 01:23:17 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:21:48 -0400 in episode
<QGEMc.18984$Mk4.9743@nntp-post.primus.ca> we saw our hero "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com>:
Not at all, atheists are welcome to cross-post to Christian Ngs. We
object ONLY about atheists making their home in our pristine Christian
NGs, to post their atheist hate, trash and flames exclusively in our
religious NGs.
There's no "we" Frank. I've been reading what the *Christians say about
you. People over there pretty much agree with us over here that you just
get ***** when people disagree with you.
You also must have mixed me up with someone else, I don't condone
man's
inhumanity to man or call anyone getting beat up 3 to 1 a
"child-molester". We get a lot of people here who lost their minds to
drugs. Are you sure you still got all your marbles?
And yet you trash Christians, other theists, and atheists alike...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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22 Jul 2004 06:37:16 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:31:20 -0400 in episode
<r5HLc.12508$%66.2665@nntp-post.primus.ca> we saw our hero "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com>:
In principle I like atheists to cross-post to our Christian NGs, if the
material posted is relevant and the language is suitable.
Ooooo. Frankie's given us permission to post to Usenet. Long as we obey
his rules.
Ooooo.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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18 Jul 2004 07:01:18 PM |
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Mark Daly <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote:
You started this cross post on (2004-07-16 19:35:47 PST) by cross
posting your reply to Midjis.
On that point, I apologise for any inconvenience or annoyance this exchange
is causing the atheist group members. If you wish I will try to re-trim
the headers back to the Christian groups, although I would not promise that
I will always remember to do so if Pastor Frank or others continue to add
them.
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Midjis
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| User: "Bob" |
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18 Jul 2004 07:18:03 PM |
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"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
news:Xns952BA69097F1LibriumLibertasEst@217.32.252.50...
Mark Daly <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote:
You started this cross post on (2004-07-16 19:35:47 PST) by cross
posting your reply to Midjis.
On that point, I apologise for any inconvenience or annoyance this
exchange
is causing the atheist group members. If you wish I will try to re-trim
the headers back to the Christian groups, although I would not promise
that
I will always remember to do so if Pastor Frank or others continue to add
them.
--
Midjis
Why sir, thank you very much. .. I personally will stop responding to "
Pastor" Frank, as not to annoy you. Alas, I don't think P. Frank will
be so reasonable.
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18 Jul 2004 08:38:44 PM |
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Midjis,
No problem, you have no control over who replies to your post, nor of
what they will do with their replies. So you have nothing to apologize for.
As for Freakie, he is a truly pathetic individual. I usually ignore his
posts because he hasn't had an original thought in at least three years.
But his describing the cross poster as "intolerant, hate-filled buffoon"
he was referring of course to Bilbo. However, Franks ignorance screws
him up again, because Bilbo isn't the Cross poster, Frank is. That was
just too good to pass up.
As for you trimming the header, I don't that will work. Frank likes his
delusional image of him being the oppressed, and all us "evil" atheist
out to harass and kill him. If you place the headers back into the
original state, Frankie would probably change them back again so he can
continue his tirade as the delusional oppressed person. Oh the best way
to get Frankie pissed is to be as rational as possible. The more
rational you are, the more irrational Frankie will get.
M. Daly
Midjis wrote:
Mark Daly <fritoes@mindspring.com> wrote:
You started this cross post on (2004-07-16 19:35:47 PST) by cross
posting your reply to Midjis.
On that point, I apologise for any inconvenience or annoyance this exchange
is causing the atheist group members. If you wish I will try to re-trim
the headers back to the Christian groups, although I would not promise that
I will always remember to do so if Pastor Frank or others continue to add
them.
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| User: "CM" |
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18 Jul 2004 09:09:10 PM |
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Oh the best way
to get Frankie pissed is to be as rational as possible. The more
rational you are, the more irrational Frankie will get.
Actually, the best way for athiests to drive Pasture Frank round the
bend is to be *nice* to him and complement him. It doesn't fit into
his pre-conceived notion of athiests, i.e. Athiest = mean evil lying
nasty insulting etc.
Then when he goes into one of his wild insulting name calling rants,
you can simply point out that *according to his own definition*, he
must be an athiest, and nice little unbeliever you must be a
christian!
CM
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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18 Jul 2004 09:54:07 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:09:10 +0000 in episode
<a3GKc.7880$Qu5.1947@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> we saw our hero
"CM" <CM@CM.not.really>:
Oh the best way
to get Frankie pissed is to be as rational as possible. The more
rational you are, the more irrational Frankie will get.
Actually, the best way for athiests to drive Pasture Frank round the bend
is to be *nice* to him and complement him. It doesn't fit into his
pre-conceived notion of athiests, i.e. Athiest = mean evil lying nasty
insulting etc.
Nah. Over the seven or eight years Flakie has been trolling the ng, that's
been tried. Nothing actually works with him. He's seriously delusional.
On the *other hand, it can sometimes be fun (and I admit Flake is one of
my weaknesses <g>) to poke at him until he just *explodes and spews some
of the most vicious bile seen on Usenet.
He is, actually, a very, very angry little man.
Then when he goes into one of his wild insulting name calling rants, you
can simply point out that *according to his own definition*, he must be
an athiest, and nice little unbeliever you must be a christian!
He is an atheist.
No I'm *serious. Flake does NOT believe god is an existing *being. He
claims the idea that god is a *being is an *atheist idea. A "strawman."
God is a philosophy. A "spirit." But not an actual existing being.
He no more believes in "god" than I do.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels.
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20 Jul 2004 10:47:56 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.07.19.02.54.07.253814@org.webmaster>...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:09:10 +0000 in episode
<a3GKc.7880$Qu5.1947@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> we saw our hero
"CM" <CM@CM.not.really>:
Oh the best way
to get Frankie pissed is to be as rational as possible. The more
rational you are, the more irrational Frankie will get.
Actually, the best way for athiests to drive Pasture Frank round the bend
is to be *nice* to him and complement him. It doesn't fit into his
pre-conceived notion of athiests, i.e. Athiest = mean evil lying nasty
insulting etc.
Nah. Over the seven or eight years Flakie has been trolling the ng, that's
been tried. Nothing actually works with him. He's seriously delusional.
On the *other hand, it can sometimes be fun (and I admit Flake is one of
my weaknesses <g>) to poke at him until he just *explodes and spews some
of the most vicious bile seen on Usenet.
This is the tactic of stalker ERIC V. Gill who leads the Church of the
Subgenius. He wants to upset people with is suck puppet inions so that
he can call them KOOK.
Please report the Church of Subgenius led by ERIC V. GILL to the IRS
because they have been cheating on their taxes.
The FBI would also be interested in the Pedophile distribution,
spamming, hacking and stalking of the Church of the Subgenius.
ericvgill@yahoo.com
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