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17 Jul 2004 07:44:31 PM |
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"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
You keep mis-posting atheist clap-trap to Christian NGs. What you call
"GOD" is not the God of Christ. see below. I will again post your rant
to
the appropriate NGs. Will you do the same from now on?
No, I will post to the groups I wish to post to, thank you. My 'home'
group is ARC and it will remain ARC until I decide otherwise.
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Midjis
You , sir, are so much more reasonable and rational that 'Pastor' Frank.
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18 Jul 2004 06:57:24 PM |
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"Bob" <somebody@SOMEPLACE.COM> wrote:
You , sir, are so much more reasonable and rational that 'Pastor' Frank.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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18 Jul 2004 08:15:18 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:44:31 +0000 in episode
<PJjKc.82906$a92.18199@twister.nyc.rr.com> we saw our hero "Bob"
<somebody@SOMEPLACE.COM>:
"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
news:Xns9529E97A46D71LibriumLibertasEst@217.32.252.50...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
You keep mis-posting atheist clap-trap to Christian NGs. What you call
"GOD" is not the God of Christ. see below. I will again post your rant
to
the appropriate NGs. Will you do the same from now on?
No, I will post to the groups I wish to post to, thank you. My 'home'
group is ARC and it will remain ARC until I decide otherwise.
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Midjis
You , sir, are so much more reasonable and rational that 'Pastor' Frank.
That's probably what set the old coot Frankie poo off...
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EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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| User: "seeker" |
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22 Jul 2004 09:50:46 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:56:59 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
You keep mis-posting atheist clap-trap to Christian NGs. What you call
"GOD" is not the God of Christ. see below. I will again post your rant to
the appropriate NGs. Will you do the same from now on?
No, I will post to the groups I wish to post to, thank you. My 'home'
group is ARC and it will remain ARC until I decide otherwise.
Yet you crosspost to:
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism.illogical-fuckwits,alt.atheism.satire,alt.athiesm
,alt.christian.religion,alt.christnet.theology,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.christian-teen
And yes you can post to as many groups as you like. However your
typical christian rude ill mannered insults, can only harm the efforts
of real christians trying to bring the message of Jesus to the
unsaved.
You are doing the work of Satan, and will spend eternity with Satan.
Repent there is still time.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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22 Jul 2004 10:03:13 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:50:46 -0500, seeker <seek@utopia.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:56:59 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
You keep mis-posting atheist clap-trap to Christian NGs. What you call
"GOD" is not the God of Christ. see below. I will again post your rant to
the appropriate NGs. Will you do the same from now on?
No, I will post to the groups I wish to post to, thank you. My 'home'
group is ARC and it will remain ARC until I decide otherwise.
Yet you crosspost to:
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism.illogical-fuckwits,alt.atheism.satire,alt.athiesm
,alt.christian.religion,alt.christnet.theology,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.christian-teen
And yes you can post to as many groups as you like. However your
typical christian rude ill mannered insults, can only harm the efforts
of real christians trying to bring the message of Jesus to the
unsaved.
You arrogant, sanctoimonious hypocrite.
*Y*O*U* can shove your so-called message up your anal orifice, because
you have nothing to bring, and nothing to save us from outside your
deluded imagination.
Sheesh. What a maroon.
You are doing the work of Satan, and will spend eternity with Satan.
Repent there is still time.
Another figment of your deluded imagination.
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Jul 2004 10:07:41 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:50:46 -0500, seeker wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:56:59 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
You keep mis-posting atheist clap-trap to Christian NGs. What you call
"GOD" is not the God of Christ. see below. I will again post your rant to
the appropriate NGs. Will you do the same from now on?
No, I will post to the groups I wish to post to, thank you. My 'home'
group is ARC and it will remain ARC until I decide otherwise.
Yet you crosspost to:
Dear *****-For-Brains;
If you're going to ***** at anyone ***** to the ***** Christian who
constantly does this *****. (hint: that's "Pastor Frank" aka Frankenfundy,
pissor wank and other fond monikers)
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism.illogical-fuckwits,alt.atheism.satire,alt.athiesm
,alt.christian.religion,alt.christnet.theology,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.christian-teen
And yes you can post to as many groups as you like. However your
typical christian rude ill mannered insults,
Free Clue: ARC=Alt.Recovery.Catholic Such is trying to come to terms
with and repair the damage inflicted by the Catholic Church.
can only harm the efforts
of real christians trying to bring the message of Jesus to the
unsaved.
*****. Do you not have a single functioning neuron?! The 'Not A True
Christian' accusation applies to each and every one of you superstitious
morons. "Jesus" is a fictional character which is an ignorant and
malevolent hypocritical *****. The only 'message' is to use the
character and an example of something *not* to emulate.
As to the 'unsaved' *****. You assholes are terminally clueless.
Based on your bronze age biblical ***** the following applies:
Q: *Who* created everything?
A: "God."
Q: *Who* was inconveianced(sp) by your scripted
'sins?'
A: "God."
Q: *Who* the ***** are you being 'saved' *from?*
A: "God."
***** christians like you can't be bothered to pay attention to the
malevolent and pathetic piece of bronze age ***** snuff and rapine
book. Then you morons can't understand why you get ignored.
Free Clue #2: Most U.S. based atheists were once of one, or more, sects
of Christianity. Many of them know the Bible better than most Christians.
Generally, the journey from induced superstition from birth to snapping
the slave chains of mindless superstition was a long and painful one.
So, take your condenscending attitute, shove it up your twat and rotate at
a high rate of speed.
You are doing the work of Satan, and will spend eternity with Satan.
Repent there is still time.
And Santa really really does deliver toys to all the good girls and boys.
Fucking clueless morons with the love of spewing empty threats.
You assholes-enmass-wouldn't be able to fire up enough functioning neurons
to blow your nose.
Yeah, I'm a bit irritated at the constant ignorance and discourtesy from
christians. And, no, it isn't your superstition that's the problem. The
problem is the actions and hypocracy of 'his' followers.
Now, be good and make sure you suck the ***** out of the preacher's *****
real good and follow it up with a thorough tongue cleaning rim-job.
Oh, don't forget to rejoyce and thank god as you are commanded. It's part
of the 'divine plan' and for a 'greater good.'
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| User: "Justin justin1138@REMOVEnet" |
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24 Jul 2004 04:24:14 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote in
news:pan.2004.07.24.03.07.36.800265@localhost.localdomain:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:50:46 -0500, seeker wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:56:59 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
You keep mis-posting atheist clap-trap to Christian NGs. What you
call "GOD" is not the God of Christ. see below. I will again post
your rant to the appropriate NGs. Will you do the same from now on?
No, I will post to the groups I wish to post to, thank you. My
'home' group is ARC and it will remain ARC until I decide otherwise.
Yet you crosspost to:
Dear *****-For-Brains;
If you're going to ***** at anyone ***** to the ***** Christian who
constantly does this *****. (hint: that's "Pastor Frank" aka
Frankenfundy, pissor wank and other fond monikers)
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism.illogical-
fuckwits,alt.a
theism.satire,alt.athiesm
,alt.christian.religion,alt.christnet.theology,alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian-teen
And yes you can post to as many groups as you like. However your
typical christian rude ill mannered insults,
Free Clue: ARC=Alt.Recovery.Catholic Such is trying to come to terms
with and repair the damage inflicted by the Catholic Church.
can only harm the efforts
of real christians trying to bring the message of Jesus to the
unsaved.
*****. Do you not have a single functioning neuron?! The 'Not A
True Christian' accusation applies to each and every one of you
superstitious morons. "Jesus" is a fictional character which is an
ignorant and malevolent hypocritical *****. The only 'message' is
to use the character and an example of something *not* to emulate.
As to the 'unsaved' *****. You assholes are terminally clueless.
Based on your bronze age biblical ***** the following applies:
Q: *Who* created everything?
A: "God."
Q: *Who* was inconveianced(sp) by your scripted
'sins?'
A: "God."
Q: *Who* the ***** are you being 'saved' *from?*
A: "God."
***** christians like you can't be bothered to pay attention to the
malevolent and pathetic piece of bronze age ***** snuff and rapine
book. Then you morons can't understand why you get ignored.
Free Clue #2: Most U.S. based atheists were once of one, or more,
sects of Christianity. Many of them know the Bible better than most
Christians. Generally, the journey from induced superstition from
birth to snapping the slave chains of mindless superstition was a long
and painful one.
So, take your condenscending attitute, shove it up your twat and
rotate at a high rate of speed.
You are doing the work of Satan, and will spend eternity with
Satan.
Repent there is still time.
And Santa really really does deliver toys to all the good girls and
boys.
Fucking clueless morons with the love of spewing empty threats.
You assholes-enmass-wouldn't be able to fire up enough functioning
neurons to blow your nose.
Yeah, I'm a bit irritated at the constant ignorance and discourtesy
from christians. And, no, it isn't your superstition that's the
problem. The problem is the actions and hypocracy of 'his' followers.
Now, be good and make sure you suck the ***** out of the preacher's *****
real good and follow it up with a thorough tongue cleaning rim-job.
Oh, don't forget to rejoyce and thank god as you are commanded. It's
part of the 'divine plan' and for a 'greater good.'
Dude, cut out the F word and similar filler words, and people will be
more apt to engage you in debate. I have a problem with a lot of Bible
thumpers myself. A lot of them seem to not practice what they preach.
At our church, we have parishioners who drive $50,000 Hummers who just
throw in a couple of bucks in the collection plate for the
homeless/hungry. Not Jesus' example. There seems to be more fluff and
less real caring in this world. Word out. Yo.
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24 Jul 2004 07:27:37 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:24:14 -0500, Justin wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote in
news:pan.2004.07.24.03.07.36.800265@localhost.localdomain:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:50:46 -0500, seeker wrote:
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Oh, don't forget to rejoyce and thank god as you are commanded. It's
part of the 'divine plan' and for a 'greater good.'
Dude, cut out the F word and similar filler words, and people will be
more apt to engage you in debate.
There's nothing to debate as theists are unarmed. The prior poster
irritated me with his dishonesty, discourtesy, and hypocracy. I had
enough of the rubbish and mirrored the discourtesy.
The verbage was deliberate.
I have a problem with a lot of Bible
thumpers myself. A lot of them seem to not practice what they preach.
At our church, we have parishioners who drive $50,000 Hummers who just
throw in a couple of bucks in the collection plate for the
homeless/hungry. Not Jesus' example. There seems to be more fluff and
less real caring in this world. Word out. Yo.
I agree. But then what else is to be expected when 'this world is
unimportant' and the rest of the claptrap?
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23 Jul 2004 10:17:09 PM |
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Free Clue: ARC=Alt.Recovery.Catholic Such is trying to come to terms
with and repair the damage inflicted by the Catholic Church.
I just want to know what ARC did to get rid of Earl.
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24 Jul 2004 07:20:44 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:17:09 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
Free Clue: ARC=Alt.Recovery.Catholic Such is trying to come to terms
with and repair the damage inflicted by the Catholic Church.
I just want to know what ARC did to get rid of Earl.
Good question. Perhaps they all put him in alt.dev.null.
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| User: "Midjis" |
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22 Jul 2004 12:23:02 PM |
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seeker <seek@utopia.com> wrote:
Yet you crosspost to:
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism.illogical-fuckwits,alt.at
heism.satire,alt.athiesm
,alt.christian.religion,alt.christnet.theology,alt.religion.christian,a
lt.religion.christian-teen
If those are the groups that Pastor Frank added to the list then yes, I
am cross-posting to them as well. I take it that the rest of the
conversation passed you by? Or perhaps you simply disagreed with my
decision not to bother trying to trim groups added by someone else?
And yes you can post to as many groups as you like. However your
typical christian rude ill mannered insults
Interesting. What makes you think I am Christian? I have never said so
- in fact, I have frequently stated quite the opposite. Is this just an
example of prejudice on your part?
And of course, if you wish to highlight anywhere I have been ill-mannered
or rude then please do so and I will be happy to apologise to whomever
took offence.
can only harm the efforts
of real christians trying to bring the message of Jesus to the
unsaved.
Since I neither believe in Jesus as the Son of God, or in the concepts of
salvation or damnation, I am afraid you will just have to work around me.
I cannot do something or not do something in order to assist you to
achieve a goal in which I do not believe.
You are doing the work of Satan, and will spend eternity with Satan.
Repent there is still time.
And likewise, since I do not believe in Satan there is little point my
worrying about repentance in order to avoid his company.
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| User: "seeker" |
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22 Jul 2004 02:02:58 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:23:02 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
seeker <seek@utopia.com> wrote:
Yet you crosspost to:
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism.illogical-fuckwits,alt.at
heism.satire,alt.athiesm
,alt.christian.religion,alt.christnet.theology,alt.religion.christian,a
lt.religion.christian-teen
If those are the groups that Pastor Frank added to the list then yes, I
am cross-posting to them as well. I take it that the rest of the
conversation passed you by? Or perhaps you simply disagreed with my
decision not to bother trying to trim groups added by someone else?
Sorry I didn`t make it clear, that I was adding to your post, in
response to a name I refuse to use. Friendly advice ignore him. Only
christians should should be telling him to shut up. Believe me, no
real christian would support his stupidity. I once believed him to be
atheist, making christians look worse than we really are.
And yes you can post to as many groups as you like. However your
typical christian rude ill mannered insults
Interesting. What makes you think I am Christian? I have never said so
- in fact, I have frequently stated quite the opposite. Is this just an
example of prejudice on your part?
And of course, if you wish to highlight anywhere I have been ill-mannered
or rude then please do so and I will be happy to apologise to whomever
took offence.
Sorry I was piggy backing, and responding to a poster that I
killfiled.
can only harm the efforts
of real christians trying to bring the message of Jesus to the
unsaved.
Since I neither believe in Jesus as the Son of God, or in the concepts of
salvation or damnation, I am afraid you will just have to work around me.
I cannot do something or not do something in order to assist you to
achieve a goal in which I do not believe.
You are doing the work of Satan, and will spend eternity with Satan.
Repent there is still time.
And likewise, since I do not believe in Satan there is little point my
worrying about repentance in order to avoid his company.
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23 Jul 2004 10:16:29 AM |
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seeker <seek@utopia.com> wrote:
Sorry I was piggy backing, and responding to a poster that I
killfiled.
I see. My apologies, then, and please disregard my earlier comments to
you.
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28 Jul 2004 11:00:57 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> writes:
"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
Yes. To atheists any debate with different viewpoints is an
argument, if
not also a fight, which demonstrates lack of unity etc. something to
be avoided. It's the atheist prejudice speaking. We Christians ignore
them and happily debate different Christian viewpoints.
Yes - until you see your so-called 'atheists' engaging in a little debate
of their own, at which point it is a fight, which shows the lack of unity
and coherence of the 'atheist' viewpoint.
Religion is specifically designed to generate belief, trust and
faith,
honesty and trustworthyness, where there is mistrust, cynicism,
paranoia and fear. "Nothing at all to do etc." indeed!!!!!! LOL
Not at all. Religion in the sense of organised religions is designed to
impose control. Belief, trust, faith, honesty, trustworthiness can and
do exist independently of religion, and are rarely generated exclusively
by it in anyone.
So you object to NG charters and the rules which specify one post
appropriate material to appropriate News Groups, i.e. atheism to
atheist NG and Christianity to Christian NGs PIMARILY.
Not really. I object to those who attempt to impose exaggerated control
in order to massage their own egos, as you do. Even if the majority of
people you accuse of atheism were actually atheists, there is nothing in
the charter of ARC, so far as I am aware, or I would venture in the rest
of the Christian groups, that says that only Christians can post there.
That, Frank, is your law alone - and as such it is of absolutely no
consequence.
Many Christians, more secure in their beliefs than you evidently are and
therefore less frightened, actually welcome reasoned and courteous
discussion of their beliefs. Many consider challenges by others to be
both an opportunity to test their own strength of belief and as an
opportunity to explain their beliefs to those making the challenge.
I must admit, I am somewhat surprised that one of your
intelligence
should support atheist anarchists, contrarians and antiauthoritarians
flaming and trashing us Christians, using most objectionable language,
in our own Christian News Groups.
Again, that these groups are intended for the discussion of Christianity
does not make them open only to Christians, but for anyone who wishes to
discuss the subject. If you want a Christians-only group where no-one
will question you, then you must find a moderated one.
As for my support of 'atheist anarchists', well, I am in support of free
thought. I am, in that sense, an advocate of heresy - which literally
means nothing else but 'free thought'. So yes, you could call me a
religious anarchist if you like, although I do not begrudge anyone from
formulating their own religious beliefs so long as they do not attempt to
impose them on others - and of course you might want to bear in mind that
I AM NOT AN ATHEIST.
Oh, and your point on 'objectionable language', 'flaming' and 'trashing'
would be more effective were you yourself not leading the way in these
areas.
Then why do you assume that your judgements on others are valid?
Specify a judgment I made, i.e."You are (a) (derogatory epithet)"
Oh come now, Frank, do not try to weasel out of it. You have set
yourself up as the net cop here, trying to dictate who can post where.
You have decided who is an atheist and who is not. You judge in every
post you make, and then moralise about how only Christ can judge.
I think you are being hypocritical, supporting atheists in their
condemnation of Christians trying to proselytize them in their atheist NGs,
but defend the right of atheists to "post" atheist trash and flames
"anywhere they want" and persecute Christians unmercifully.
It seems to me, you have made up your mind to be an enemy of Christ and
His followers, and support their harassment by atheists, even in their own
Christian NGs. So please do us all a favour and post your condemnations to
atheist NGs from now on, for if you don't, I will.
Note how as soon as someone disagrees with Frank, he goes on the offensive
against them.
Frank is compeltely and totally unwilling to ever admit that he might
possibly be wrong about anything. Frank asserts that he is absolutely
perfect, and that anyone who disagrees with him must hate Christ.
Pastor Frank is nothing but a shameless liar and a hypocrite.
If you want to discuss ideas and ideals based on the teaching of Christ
in comparison with atheism, all us Christians will be glad to accommodate
you, but we are not willing to tolerate your personal attacks, ad hominems,
insults, lies and downers.
I will post you over to your atheist home NGs.
Note how Pastor Frank asserts that the previous poster is an atheist, even
though the previous poster stated otherwise. Pastor Frank is nothing but
a lying fraud.
--
See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
http://www.virginiaisforhaters.org/
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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28 Jul 2004 11:06:40 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> writes:
"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
I think you are being hypocritical, supporting atheists in their
condemnation of Christians trying to proselytize them in their atheist
NGs, but defend the right of atheists to "post" atheist trash and
flames "anywhere they want" and persecute Christians unmercifully.
You misunderstand. Again. As far as I am concerned a Christian has
every right to post in the atheist groups if they wish - and the atheists
have every right to make conversational mincemeat of them. Likewise,
atheists wishing to post in Christian groups are also perfectly entitled
- but can expect a severe going-over by the Christians in those groups.
The fact is, Frank, that the Christian groups already have their share of
atheists, and vice versa. Only you seem to be objecting: only you
consider it a breach of 'netiquette'.
Totally wrong. I used to cross-post from my Christian home NGs to
atheist NGs whenever atheism was mentioned in my posts, for where I come
from it's impolite to talk behind people's backs.
Actually, you used to initiate crossposts into alt.atheism from Christian
newsgroups for no reason at all. Then you continued to do it, except
afterward you would then throw a massive temper tantrum that athiests were
posting into Christian newsgroups -- via the threads where you initiated
the crossposting.
In other words, you made a mess and then blamed everyone else for it, you
shamess liar and hypocrite.
It was quickly brought to my attention, that cross-posting Christian
material to atheist NGs was against their charter. I was flamed
unmercifully, and made not welcome there.
And with good reason, you were a sanctimonious jerk.
Some even succeeded in getting my
News account blocked, so I couldn't access my news-groups nor post for
months.
As has been explained, you were blocked from posting because you violated
your ISP's terms of service regarding USENET conduct. Naturally, however,
you refuse to take any responsibility for your actions, instead you blame
everyone else for your own mistakes.
Besides if you are right, and that it's all just a free-for-all,
then abuse doesn't exist and X-Complaints-To:
news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com , which happens to be your news
provider, is wrong.
What the hell are you doing, Frank?
Whatever I do now to get rid of resident Trolls, I learned from
atheists. Btw I normally answer only theological points in posts that
include atheist NGs in the header. This post is an exception.
This post and every other. You ONLY post in atheist newsgroups to trash,
flame and lie. You're nothing but a liar and a fraud, Frank. You're not
even a pastor. You hate Christ and you hate Christianity.
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See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
http://www.virginiaisforhaters.org/
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23 Jul 2004 01:58:45 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:16:29 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
seeker <seek@utopia.com> wrote:
Sorry I was piggy backing, and responding to a poster that I
killfiled.
I see. My apologies, then, and please disregard my earlier comments to
you.
Accepted but not due, my bad for not making my self clear. I
understand why you would reject a message delivered by a obnoxious,
self righteous, bigot.
The teachings of Christ are to be lived by, not enforced. Taught to
those that want to learn. Lead by example, not drive by threats, or a
whip. Most atheist seem to live according to the teaching of Christ,
without believing in him, sad.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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26 Jul 2004 03:54:25 PM |
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"Gwar" <xeno@xor.qua> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:
Sorry, but no match, for Christian stands for well defined ideals,
whereas atheism means whatever anyone decides for himself, most likely
current fashionable opinion.
Atheism is disbelief in god or gods, not "whatever anyone decides for
himself".
... your whole philosophy of life rests on what your are NOT ...
& your philosophy of life rests on what IS NOT.
However more to the point, are you asking me to judge myself sans
prejudice? Whatever my judgment of myself and my achievements, it's
hardly
valid. This is in stark contrast to atheists, who firmly believe the
lies
they tell themselves about themselves, and don't mind being the only
ones
believing them. Their whole self-image and self-esteem depends on it. In
other words each atheist has himself as his god(s). Christians are to
rest
their case in their Father which is in Heaven, as children rests their
case
in their parents, for judgment is the SOLE prerogative of God.
There is no apparent God. & atheism doesn't have anything to do with
self-esteem. It has to do with disbelief in that which you can't
apparently prove exists, hence, your FOOL's errand of trying to disprove
atheists rather than argue for theism.
Check the subject of this post and answer that question, for it is at
the very core of the Christian belief system.
You are of the opinion what God's opinion is. That's the contradiction,
Fundie Frank. All your yammering about what atheists allegedly do is just
a projection of what you yourself do. You esteem yourself via what you
imagine.
Jesus in Lk:6:37: Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not,
and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
The wishful thinking of an over-rated conceited airhead.
More atheism miss-posted to Christian NGs exclusively. I will forward
this to your atheist NGs.
Pastor Frank
SATAN'S MINIONS
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mt:6:21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mt:12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good
things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mt:12:35: A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth
forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth
evil things.
2Pt:3:3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Jul 2004 10:50:52 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:54:25 -0400 in episode
<2meNc.22938$Yu4.12402@nntp-post.primus.ca> we saw our hero "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com>:
"Gwar" <xeno@xor.qua> wrote in message
news:20040726040257.J4796@synergy.transbay.net...
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:
Sorry, but no match, for Christian stands for well defined ideals,
whereas atheism means whatever anyone decides for himself, most likely
current fashionable opinion.
Atheism is disbelief in god or gods, not "whatever anyone decides for
himself".
... your whole philosophy of life rests on what your are NOT ...
& your philosophy of life rests on what IS NOT.
However more to the point, are you asking me to judge myself sans
prejudice? Whatever my judgment of myself and my achievements, it's
hardly
valid. This is in stark contrast to atheists, who firmly believe the
lies
they tell themselves about themselves, and don't mind being the only
ones
believing them. Their whole self-image and self-esteem depends on it.
In other words each atheist has himself as his god(s). Christians are
to
rest
their case in their Father which is in Heaven, as children rests their
case
in their parents, for judgment is the SOLE prerogative of God.
There is no apparent God. & atheism doesn't have anything to do with
self-esteem. It has to do with disbelief in that which you can't
apparently prove exists, hence, your FOOL's errand of trying to disprove
atheists rather than argue for theism.
Check the subject of this post and answer that question, for it is at
the very core of the Christian belief system.
You are of the opinion what God's opinion is. That's the contradiction,
Fundie Frank. All your yammering about what atheists allegedly do is
just a projection of what you yourself do. You esteem yourself via what
you imagine.
Jesus in Lk:6:37: Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not,
and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
The wishful thinking of an over-rated conceited airhead.
More atheism miss-posted to Christian NGs exclusively. I will forward
this to your atheist NGs.
And that will accomplish what?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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27 Jul 2004 10:21:22 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
More atheism miss-posted to Christian NGs exclusively. I will
forward
this to your atheist NGs.
And that will accomplish what?
As with previous examples, it will allow him to respond to the post in a
pompous, high-handed and judgemental manner, whilst escaping the need to
provide a REAL answer.
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Midjis
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Jul 2004 07:44:58 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:21:22 +0000 in episode
<Xns9533A66888C64LibriumLibertasEst@217.32.252.50> we saw our hero Midjis
< @ . >:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
More atheism miss-posted to Christian NGs exclusively. I will
forward
this to your atheist NGs.
And that will accomplish what?
As with previous examples, it will allow him to respond to the post in a
pompous, high-handed and judgemental manner, whilst escaping the need to
provide a REAL answer.
Heh. Mission accomplished? <g>
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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27 Jul 2004 09:38:08 PM |
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"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
Yes. To atheists any debate with different viewpoints is an
argument, if
not also a fight, which demonstrates lack of unity etc. something to
be avoided. It's the atheist prejudice speaking. We Christians ignore
them and happily debate different Christian viewpoints.
Yes - until you see your so-called 'atheists' engaging in a little debate
of their own, at which point it is a fight, which shows the lack of unity
and coherence of the 'atheist' viewpoint.
Religion is specifically designed to generate belief, trust and
faith,
honesty and trustworthyness, where there is mistrust, cynicism,
paranoia and fear. "Nothing at all to do etc." indeed!!!!!! LOL
Not at all. Religion in the sense of organised religions is designed to
impose control. Belief, trust, faith, honesty, trustworthiness can and
do exist independently of religion, and are rarely generated exclusively
by it in anyone.
So you object to NG charters and the rules which specify one post
appropriate material to appropriate News Groups, i.e. atheism to
atheist NG and Christianity to Christian NGs PIMARILY.
Not really. I object to those who attempt to impose exaggerated control
in order to massage their own egos, as you do. Even if the majority of
people you accuse of atheism were actually atheists, there is nothing in
the charter of ARC, so far as I am aware, or I would venture in the rest
of the Christian groups, that says that only Christians can post there.
That, Frank, is your law alone - and as such it is of absolutely no
consequence.
Many Christians, more secure in their beliefs than you evidently are and
therefore less frightened, actually welcome reasoned and courteous
discussion of their beliefs. Many consider challenges by others to be
both an opportunity to test their own strength of belief and as an
opportunity to explain their beliefs to those making the challenge.
I must admit, I am somewhat surprised that one of your
intelligence
should support atheist anarchists, contrarians and antiauthoritarians
flaming and trashing us Christians, using most objectionable language,
in our own Christian News Groups.
Again, that these groups are intended for the discussion of Christianity
does not make them open only to Christians, but for anyone who wishes to
discuss the subject. If you want a Christians-only group where no-one
will question you, then you must find a moderated one.
As for my support of 'atheist anarchists', well, I am in support of free
thought. I am, in that sense, an advocate of heresy - which literally
means nothing else but 'free thought'. So yes, you could call me a
religious anarchist if you like, although I do not begrudge anyone from
formulating their own religious beliefs so long as they do not attempt to
impose them on others - and of course you might want to bear in mind that
I AM NOT AN ATHEIST.
Oh, and your point on 'objectionable language', 'flaming' and 'trashing'
would be more effective were you yourself not leading the way in these
areas.
Then why do you assume that your judgements on others are valid?
Specify a judgment I made, i.e."You are (a) (derogatory epithet)"
Oh come now, Frank, do not try to weasel out of it. You have set
yourself up as the net cop here, trying to dictate who can post where.
You have decided who is an atheist and who is not. You judge in every
post you make, and then moralise about how only Christ can judge.
I think you are being hypocritical, supporting atheists in their
condemnation of Christians trying to proselytize them in their atheist NGs,
but defend the right of atheists to "post" atheist trash and flames
"anywhere they want" and persecute Christians unmercifully.
It seems to me, you have made up your mind to be an enemy of Christ and
His followers, and support their harassment by atheists, even in their own
Christian NGs. So please do us all a favour and post your condemnations to
atheist NGs from now on, for if you don't, I will.
If you want to discuss ideas and ideals based on the teaching of Christ
in comparison with atheism, all us Christians will be glad to accommodate
you, but we are not willing to tolerate your personal attacks, ad hominems,
insults, lies and downers.
I will post you over to your atheist home NGs.
Pastor Frank
SATAN'S MINIONS
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mt:6:21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mt:12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good
things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mt:12:35: A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth
forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth
evil things.
2Pt:3:3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts.
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28 Jul 2004 02:58:03 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<FTNNc.53083$Ro2.39916@nntp-post.primus.ca>...
"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
news:Xns9533A6182AEFCLibriumLibertasEst@217.32.252.50...
Oh come now, Frank, do not try to weasel out of it. You have set
yourself up as the net cop here, trying to dictate who can post where.
You have decided who is an atheist and who is not. You judge in every
post you make, and then moralise about how only Christ can judge.
I think you are being hypocritical, supporting atheists in their
condemnation of Christians trying to proselytize them in their atheist NGs,
but defend the right of atheists to "post" atheist trash and flames
"anywhere they want" and persecute Christians unmercifully.
if christians can post in atheist newsgroups and be little shits about
it, then atheists can do the same. but of course a good little xtian would
_never_ stoop so low as to go on an atheist NG and post messages about
how they'll all go to hell if they don't recognize the errors of their
ways and recognize jesus as their personal savior, right?
It seems to me, you have made up your mind to be an enemy of Christ and
His followers, and support their harassment by atheists, even in their own
Christian NGs. So please do us all a favour and post your condemnations to
atheist NGs from now on, for if you don't, I will.
wow. the operative words in the above paragraph are "it seems to me".
you still don't get the idea, do you? belief requires testing, faith
requires doubt, how do you ever (school metaphor) pass a class without
getting tested on your knowledge? in a newsgroup setting we function as
each others testers. there is nothing that can be said or done on usenet
that is worse than calling someone names. so why take it so seriously?
if you don't like what someone is saying, ask them to stop, then
IGNORE THEM. unless, of course, you're so weak in your faith and your
self-control that you permit a single word of dissension to
send you into a flurry of self-righteousness....
If you want to discuss ideas and ideals based on the teaching of Christ
in comparison with atheism, all us Christians will be glad to accommodate
you, but we are not willing to tolerate your personal attacks, ad hominems,
insults, lies and downers.
I will post you over to your atheist home NGs.
yeah, and like i haven't heard plenty of very personal attacks coming from
you and your fellow xtians? you, jim, a bunch of you, once you run out of
reasonable debating material, it instantly becomes all about how we must
be scummy people, atheists couldn't possibly konw what it is to love, we'll
all go to hell, blah blah blah.
keep your standards straight, and not hypocritical yourself.
Saul Sabia
saul_sabia@yaho[o].com
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28 Jul 2004 11:54:15 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
I think you are being hypocritical, supporting atheists in their
condemnation of Christians trying to proselytize them in their atheist
NGs, but defend the right of atheists to "post" atheist trash and
flames "anywhere they want" and persecute Christians unmercifully.
You misunderstand. Again. As far as I am concerned a Christian has
every right to post in the atheist groups if they wish - and the atheists
have every right to make conversational mincemeat of them. Likewise,
atheists wishing to post in Christian groups are also perfectly entitled
- but can expect a severe going-over by the Christians in those groups.
The fact is, Frank, that the Christian groups already have their share of
atheists, and vice versa. Only you seem to be objecting: only you
consider it a breach of 'netiquette'.
It seems to me, you have made up your mind to be an enemy of
Christ and
His followers, and support their harassment by atheists, even in
their own Christian NGs. So please do us all a favour and post your
condemnations to atheist NGs from now on, for if you don't, I will.
I am sure you will, since you seem obsessed with this little rule of
yours. But of course, the cross-posting will also be yours - I will, as
always, post where I choose. If you decide to duplicate the messages to
groups of your choosing then I accept no responsibility for your actions.
But rest assured if I elect to continue posting in one of 'your'
Christian groups then you will not stop me doing so. Of course, your
killfile is always available for you, if you simply cannot bear to hear a
viewpoint that does not completely conform with your own.
If you want to discuss ideas and ideals based on the teaching of
Christ
in comparison with atheism, all us Christians will be glad to
accommodate you, but we are not willing to tolerate your personal
attacks, ad hominems, insults, lies and downers.
And likewise, if you were able to drop the similarly puerile tactics you
habitually use then I am sure you would find that even your hated
atheists (whether actually atheists or just people who do not believe
exactly as you do) would start to treat you with a little more respect.
I will post you over to your atheist home NGs.
Yes, I know you will. I take it as read now that you will. Save
yourself the typing time, Frank, and simply tell me when you STOP doing
it.
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28 Jul 2004 04:47:50 PM |
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"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
news:Xns9534B62783D97LibriumLibertasEst@217.32.252.50...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
I think you are being hypocritical, supporting atheists in their
condemnation of Christians trying to proselytize them in their atheist
NGs, but defend the right of atheists to "post" atheist trash and
flames "anywhere they want" and persecute Christians unmercifully.
You misunderstand. Again. As far as I am concerned a Christian has
every right to post in the atheist groups if they wish - and the atheists
have every right to make conversational mincemeat of them. Likewise,
atheists wishing to post in Christian groups are also perfectly entitled
- but can expect a severe going-over by the Christians in those groups.
The fact is, Frank, that the Christian groups already have their share of
atheists, and vice versa. Only you seem to be objecting: only you
consider it a breach of 'netiquette'.
Totally wrong. I used to cross-post from my Christian home NGs to
atheist NGs whenever atheism was mentioned in my posts, for where I come
from it's impolite to talk behind people's backs.
It was quickly brought to my attention, that cross-posting Christian
material to atheist NGs was against their charter. I was flamed
unmercifully, and made not welcome there. Some even succeeded in getting my
News account blocked, so I couldn't access my news-groups nor post for
months. Besides if you are right, and that it's all just a free-for-all,
then abuse doesn't exist and X-Complaints-To:
news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com , which happens to be your news
provider, is wrong.
Whatever I do now to get rid of resident Trolls, I learned from
atheists. Btw I normally answer only theological points in posts that
include atheist NGs in the header. This post is an exception.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Pastor Frank
SATAN'S MINIONS
Jesus in John 8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mt:6:21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mt:12:34: O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good
things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mt:12:35: A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth
forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth
evil things.
2Pt:3:3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts.
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29 Jul 2004 04:59:29 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
Totally wrong. I used to cross-post from my Christian home NGs to
atheist NGs whenever atheism was mentioned in my posts, for where I
come from it's impolite to talk behind people's backs.
A rather strange attitude, to be sure. While I concede that it is
generally considered impolite to talk about someone SPECIFIC behind their
backs (although that little rule hardly stops it happening), simply
discussing a particular collective viewpoint is hardly conspiratorial,
malicious or deceitful. After all, what about that huge majority of
atheists who do not read Usenet? If discussing atheism with this
principle in mind, surely you must take action to ensure that THEY see
your views as well?
I have to say that I suspect you know how empty your claims here seem,
and that your motivations for cross-posting to atheist groups are far
more straightforward.
It was quickly brought to my attention, that cross-posting
Christian
material to atheist NGs was against their charter. I was flamed
unmercifully, and made not welcome there.
And - can I ask - did you stop doing it immediately?
If your first instinct is to answer 'yes', then please reconsider before
committing yourself - bearing in mind that the atheism groups in the
header of this message were original added by you.
If you did not stop doing it (you did not stop doing it) you can expect
and you deserve to be flamed. You made yourself unwelcome. Most
atheists in my experience, bearing in mind they are just people like
anyone else, are quite willing to discuss their viewpoint with religious
people if they are approached with at least a modicum of respect - but
given your track record I find it difficult to believe that you did so.
Besides if you are right, and that it's all just
a free-for-all, then abuse doesn't exist and X-Complaints-To:
news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com , which happens to be your news
provider, is wrong.
Why not try it? If you are so convinced that I should not be posting to
your 'pristine' Christianity newsgroups, not being Christian, then why
not contact BT Internet and report my 'abuse'?
You never know - they might just be bureaucratic enough to take a
complaint as proof of itself... But I doubt it. They have always seemed
fairly reasonable to me.
In case you feel inclined to waste your time in this way, I will point
out once again that there is no rule in Christianity groups that prevents
non-Christians from posting there. YOU alone have decided that they
should be used only by Christians - everyone else accepts that they are
for use by those with an interest in Christianity. Now go - make your
complaint if you wish.
Whatever I do now to get rid of resident Trolls, I learned from
atheists.
Ah? You always become what you hate the most, they say. So much for
holding the moral high ground, then.
Btw I normally answer only theological points in posts that
include atheist NGs in the header. This post is an exception.
Hope that clears it up for you.
I have not yet seen you make any theological point, 'Pastor'.
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Midjis
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29 Jul 2004 10:08:45 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:59:29 +0000 in episode
<Xns95356FDA21011LibriumLibertasEst@217.32.252.50> we saw our hero Midjis
< @ . >:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
It was quickly brought to my attention, that cross-posting
Christian
material to atheist NGs was against their charter. I was flamed
unmercifully, and made not welcome there.
And - can I ask - did you stop doing it immediately?
No he did NOT.
Frank had been trolling alt.atheism (and other atheist ngs), starting
flame wars, attacking people, and engaging in massive cross-posting for
literally *years before he finally got himself in trouble with his
provider. When they slapped a filter on him finally, he started nym
shifting to get around the filter and came *back to a.a. to hurl
accusations of criminal activities at us, claiming "atheists" were
"hacking" him.
At the time, I tried to warn him. Seriously. I was with the same provider
and knew that they were slow to filter. That if they did, they were
*really upset with you. And if you nym shifted to get around their
filters, they'd come down on you with both feet.
I tried telling him he needed to go to his provider and find out if there
was any way to get them to lift the filter. Even if it meant he'd have to
agree to stay out of the newsgroups where he'd been engaging in violations
of the FAQ/charter all those years. He just attacked me.
We don't actually know (abuse departments will *not tell you) who turned
him in. For all anybody knows, the complaints came from the Christian ngs.
They didn't appreciate Frank's massive cross-posting, dragging the atheist
ngs into the Christian ngs, nor his love of starting flame wars. It may
have been *them turning him into his provider. We'll never know.
But he not only did *not stop, he broke *more rules and libeled people in
the a.a. ng. Somewhere along the line, his provider must have found him
out.
If your first instinct is to answer 'yes', then please reconsider before
committing yourself - bearing in mind that the atheism groups in the
header of this message were original added by you.
If you did not stop doing it (you did not stop doing it) you can expect
and you deserve to be flamed. You made yourself unwelcome. Most
atheists in my experience, bearing in mind they are just people like
anyone else, are quite willing to discuss their viewpoint with religious
people if they are approached with at least a modicum of respect - but
given your track record I find it difficult to believe that you did so.
You should Google him sometime. Frank can be quite vicious. He went out of
his way to ensure he was not welcome in a.a.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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02 Aug 2004 08:48:17 AM |
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"Gwar" <xeno@xor.qua> wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:
It's obvious you will not discuss anything other than the invariably
deplorable character of posters,
Why do you believe you can't change your deplorable behavior?
Please post only religious material to religious NGs. Thanks
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Pastor Frank
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: The dysfunctional void of Gwarism |
02 Aug 2004 05:47:39 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
Why do you believe you can't change your deplorable behavior?
Please post only religious material to religious NGs. Thanks
You still maintain you have the power to demand this, then? After all that
has been said? You have understood nothing?
You might at least spare us the insincere pretence at pre-emptive
gratitude.
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Midjis
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: In whose opinion are you a good person? In your own or in God's? |
29 Jul 2004 09:54:31 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:47:50 -0400 in episode
<OwYNc.54240$ni1.2547@nntp-post.primus.ca> we saw our hero "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com>:
"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote:
I think you are being hypocritical, supporting atheists in their
condemnation of Christians trying to proselytize them in their atheist
NGs, but defend the right of atheists to "post" atheist trash and
flames "anywhere they want" and persecute Christians unmercifully.
You misunderstand. Again. As far as I am concerned a Christian has
every right to post in the atheist groups if they wish - and the
atheists have every right to make conversational mincemeat of them.
Likewise, atheists wishing to post in Christian groups are also
perfectly entitled - but can expect a severe going-over by the
Christians in those groups. The fact is, Frank, that the Christian
groups already have their share of atheists, and vice versa. Only you
seem to be objecting: only you consider it a breach of 'netiquette'.
Totally wrong. I used to cross-post from my Christian home NGs to
atheist NGs whenever atheism was mentioned in my posts, for where I come
from it's impolite to talk behind people's backs.
You trolled alt.atheism. That is what you did. No matter *how you spin it.
It was quickly brought to my attention, that cross-posting Christian
material to atheist NGs was against their charter. I was flamed
unmercifully, and made not welcome there. Some even succeeded in getting
my News account blocked, so I couldn't access my news-groups nor post for
months.
You *did get filtered. You attacked me when I tried to tell you that's
what was going on. And you hurled false accusations all *over the a.a. ng
over that incident.
You brought that filtering down on *yourself Frank. You did it to
yourself. And when people tried to warn you, you attacked them.
Besides if you are right, and that it's all just a free-for-all,
then abuse doesn't exist and X-Complaints-To:
news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com , which happens to be your news
provider, is wrong.
Whatever I do now to get rid of resident Trolls, I learned from
atheists. Btw I normally answer only theological points in posts that
include atheist NGs in the header. This post is an exception.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Hope this clears it up for you:
You don't run Usenet and the abuse departments know that.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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