Being tired of lurking, on Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:48:17 +0000, O'Ryan Wells
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:36:18 +0000, O'Ryan Wells
posted:
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Being tired of lurking, on Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:31:26 +0000, O'Ryan
Wells
posted:
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Being tired of lurking, on Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:26:59 +0000, tb
posted:
I am doing a pilot research study as part of my BA graduation
requirement
at Kepler College (www.kepler.edu) and am looking for another
125 volunteers for the study.
The focus of the pilot study is to determine whether a
meaningful and statistically significant relationship can be
found between tissue/cell/Schuessler salts and the natal Sun
sign as historical astrological theory suggests.
There is no relationship, that's as simple as that. Just study
some astronomy and learn about gravitational forces so you can
forget about this astrology *****.
This is the common error which I refer to, see also later, and again
later
still.
Here we go.
You seem as irrationally wedded to your belief structure
(Astronomy) without doing any actual research on the subject you
are attempting
to
rubbish.
Science is not a belief stucture, because people who have to believe
just prove that they are uncertain about their assertion. Like in the
proposition "I think it is going to rain tomorrow". This in contrast
to a proposition of the kind "Ice melts above 0° Celcius".
It is a belief in the sense that Mathematics is believed to be able to
encompass reality.
Bzzz, wrong.
Mathematics is only concerned to be consistent with itself.
This is the experimental data which you request later, obviously you
did not bother to read my post being so confident of your superior
position.
I was only trying to be helpful, sorry.
You still have not responded to the dciting of MG's study into 'The Mars
Effect' how long do you think you can ignore data?
Judging by the responses you'vre made, indefinitely.
This elucidates my point about the 'common error' which I also clearly
indicate in the post. Astronomers confuse the Sign and the
Constellation,
in view of this the whole argument of precession is irrelevant,
If one uses words like "precession" one should or either be aware of its
real meaning or just use the word for ranting purposes.
I know precisely what precession means. I am not ranting. I'm trying to
have a serious discussion with you. You are obviously only interested in
your own point of view (see later).
when
astrologers say this the astronomers become even more enraged and
entranched in their belief that it is all nonesense. Which you also
ignore.
I have a difficulty believing scientists becoming "enraged" if crackpots
start to spin off all kinds of weird theories, all they will do at most
is to have a mild smile at all those childish behaviour.
As this is one of the tenets of astrology the
result of this scientific study should be at least considered a
confirmation of the hypothesis, in strict scientific terms and
further
research done. The attitude of astronomers is generally, to do no
research
into what serious astrologers claim,
You know, the use of the word "serious" makes it all more laughable!
That's how I would describe your replies.
(no one claims sun-sign-only
astrology is in any way accurate) and ignore evidence, but wave
their 'gravitational forces' magic formula around as if that
explains everything. It explains nothing. The fact that every
planet in the solar system IS influenced by every other planet is
obviously true.
Yes, it influences that some years are a few secondes longer or
shorter than others, big deal!
Again you ignore the substantial part of my post as well as
mis-spelling seconds.
Waaawww!!! you just invented the spelling lame! You're really a
genious!!! And you continue to ignore what I say. (see
later*)
But I'm sure that was only a typing error. You should learn the lesson
of Kepler.
As if Keplers law would mean something to you!!
I probably know Kepler's laws at least as well as you do. And the
situation which brought them into being.
You must be a Lion or something like that!
No I am a human. What are you?
Your cherished theory of everything may be wrong, and in fact, in time
it certainly will be. That is science not simply newtonian classical
mechanics and to hell with everything else I don't like.
There is still SR and GR to go with!!
The degree
to which that affects life is still debatable since we know very
little about the micro-effects of Gravity.
It would only point out that a passing truck has more
micro-gravitational effect than any
Are you so incoherent that you do not even finish sentences? Anyway,
gravity was only an example of an area of which we know little.
Why are you playing the wise guy then?
What exactly do you know "more" than I do?
I know more about the principles of Astrology that much is clear.
The
planets are also connected through our awareness
Why don't you ask them to post here to sustain your point of view?
Now who is trying to be a wise guy? Be consistent at least.
and it is this awareness
which is the primary study of astrology and other similar subjects,
the means of study, astrology, is what we are discussing here.
You could as well study your own reason for your wishful thinking, it
comes up to the same....
I have no wishful thinking, you are making far too many assumptions about
me and what I know to be on safe ground.
The division of the Zodiac is an arbitrary one. 0 Degrees of Aries
is DEFINED as such. It has NOTHING to do with the actual
constellations off the same name. If you knew anything about the
theory of
divination
in general you would not have made this common error.
What common error, be specific!
I specifically said the error is specifically that the specific
Zodiacal sign of Aries (Astrological) has nothing to do with the
specific constellation of the same specific name.
You really must like that word "specific" to have used it 5 times in one
sentence!
Yes, since you are incapable of reading the actual post I had to point
every detail out to you. That specific enough for you?
How much clearer do you want it?
more ignored.
Another error you suffer from is that you assume that everyone who
does not share your belief structure is a fraud.
I'm not asking any money for whatever you consider my "belief structure"
on the other hand, astrologers do.
So scientists do not get paid do they? They work for the fun of it, the
sheer discovery of it all? Get real. People charge for their time, not
their beliefs. Don't you?
at science is your belief
structure is clear since you seem to be able only to quote
non-relevant examples rather than applying the 'Method'. I have
already said that:
Hypothesis: Astrology is a valid subject to study.
Normally a hypothesis has to be proved, otherwise it is worthless.
No, it has to be confirmed. Theorys can be disproven by experiement. We're
not at that stage yet. Since you don't really know enough about scientific
method I'll spell it out in crayon.
Empirical personal data
tends to confirm this. (Not conclusive) Independant Scientific Study
seems
also to confirm it. (More conclusive than empirical data alone) Ergo
the hypothesis is confirmed.
Once the hypothesis is confirmed a theory is presented to explain the
facts. This theory is then put to the test and if it passes experimental
testing then the theory is also confirmed. This continues until something
comes up which disproves the theory then it's back to square one.
At this stage serious research should expand and the subject be
developed.
All of these are speculations.
No a speculation is a idea formed without the benefit of any study or
data, I have already cited a scientific study
A self proclaimed "scientific study".
into astrology which
confirmed the hypothesis. You refuse to discuss this evidence, possibly
you think I made it up, go check in a University Library.
A clear rebuttal of the Sun-Sign astrology which appears in
newspapers
would not do the astrological community any harm either.
I am trying to be fair to both sides, you, on the other hand are stuck in
your mental mud unable to handle a logical discussion. I pity you.
I don't see how astrological wishful thinking ever can come over the
level of party conversations like "Hi, I saggitarius, and you...".
They only situation when some "astrological knowledge" comes in
handy!
This statement only betrays your own ignorance of the methods and
actual uses of astrology.
I'm glad that this "ignorance" has spared me from all those obcure
occult sciences that maybe worked for less evolved people like me, and I
regret that still so much people live in the darkness of one or other
superstition.
Glad of ignorance! That says it all! The level of your prejudice is
astonishing.
Personal growth and development of one's natural abilities, which can
be brought into sharp focus using astrological methods. I have nothing
to say in favour of 'popular' astrology.
Words, words words, but no facts.
I have already cited one study in support of my case you have just ranted.
You only provided a claim that was made, but I see no real figures, and
even if there would be a statistical corellation, this would not
necessarily imply that there is a direct relationship.
Both phenenomena are time dependent.
Since every serious astrologer knows that the more detail in a
chart the more accurate it gets.
You don't believe that yourself, don't you?
[rest of rant snipped] more ignoring of the discussion.
Since you have no intention of entering into a sensible discussion I will
not reply to any more ranting. If you have a point beyond your own tiny
perspective, please make it.
* Since you have obviously nothing of real value to say in this
discussion. I'll end it here.
Oh, don't run into the hills yet.
I was born in a distance from a few metres and practically at the same
time as a good friend of mine. So, how does it comes that he has a
complete different character, and leads a completely different life as I
do.
Astrology disproven.
O'Ryan Wells.
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