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"Puck Greenman" |
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06 Aug 2004 03:29:12 PM |
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Re: Atheism and the self |
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:34:54 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
To know who he is, an atheists has to judge himself continuously and
keep mental records. Self-improvement is a big thing in an atheist's life,
For once, you have got something right, we are, very often, concerned
with improving our selves. We don't want forgivness for our wrong
doing, and mistakes, we want to *avoid* doing wrong, and making
mistakes, and that takes a lot of effort.
and gaining self-esteem is a never-ending task.
That depends on how inferior you feel to begin with.
Some of us are quite satisified to be what we are, and do not need the
false glow, of reflected, imagined, glory, in order to feel good about
our selves.
Most atheists posting here
trash and flame, because the unspoken addendum to any "you are a moron" is:
"But I am NOT a moron", and because an atheist measures himself against
others, he is ever in need to win and feel superior to others.
What is strange to me, is that no other xtians in any of the boards
that you xpost to, seem to feel that we are trashing and flaming:
Why do you think that is?
--
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and the self |
06 Aug 2004 03:39:26 PM |
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"Puck Greenman" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:34:54 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
To know who he is, an atheists has to judge himself continuously and
keep mental records. Self-improvement is a big thing in an atheist's
life,
For once, you have got something right, we are, very often, concerned
with improving our selves. We don't want forgivness for our wrong
doing, and mistakes, we want to *avoid* doing wrong, and making
mistakes, and that takes a lot of effort.
Well, there's nothing wrong with wanting forgiveness...or asking for it, or
earning it. It's part of the growth process. How can you improve yourself if
you don't take care of the loose ends you left as a result of your previous
screwups?
Other than that, I think that you have a very good point, and it's a point
that more 'born again Christains' should pay attention to. Being 'saved' is
NOT like winning a lottery or a Cruise to the Bahamas, it doesn't come
cheap, and we are SUPPOSED to be judging ourselves continually and improving
our attitudes and our behaviors...
Not only that, but we are supposed to be doing it for EXACTLY the same
reasons atheists do; because it's the right thing to do, not because we are
hoping to get extra gold in the heavenly paving...
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: TQotM Nomination!! Re: Atheism and the self |
06 Aug 2004 03:57:36 PM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:20SQc.70$l96.31@nwrddc04.gnilink.net...
"Puck Greenman" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:egp7h09v5iu6rrq7j3cujv56elejv64b66@4ax.com...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:34:54 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
To know who he is, an atheists has to judge himself continuously
and
keep mental records. Self-improvement is a big thing in an atheist's
life,
For once, you have got something right, we are, very often, concerned
with improving our selves. We don't want forgivness for our wrong
doing, and mistakes, we want to *avoid* doing wrong, and making
mistakes, and that takes a lot of effort.
Well, there's nothing wrong with wanting forgiveness...or asking for it,
or
earning it. It's part of the growth process. How can you improve yourself
if
you don't take care of the loose ends you left as a result of your
previous
screwups?
Other than that, I think that you have a very good point, and it's a point
that more 'born again Christains' should pay attention to. Being 'saved'
is
NOT like winning a lottery or a Cruise to the Bahamas, it doesn't come
cheap, and we are SUPPOSED to be judging ourselves continually and
improving
our attitudes and our behaviors...
Begin nominated portion:
Not only that, but we are supposed to be doing it for EXACTLY the same
reasons atheists do; because it's the right thing to do, not because we
are
hoping to get extra gold in the heavenly paving...
End quote.
I know that the TQotM is usually reserved for the fundy that posts their
usual tripe, but I have to give credit here. Diana hits the head right on
the nail.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: TQotM Nomination!! Re: Atheism and the self |
14 Aug 2004 04:21:29 PM |
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Not only that, but we are supposed to be doing it for EXACTLY the
same
reasons atheists do; because it's the right thing to do, not because
we
are hoping to get extra gold in the heavenly paving...
"The right thing to do" according to whose definition? Your own?
Your
friends? Society? We Christians have Jesus for our standard of what is
right. What or who do you have to define and demonstrate the ideals you
seek to live up to?
You may "HAVE" "geesuz" .. but rather than honestly FOLLOWING geezus - you
USE geezus as a tool to support YOUR OWN GOD ... YOUR EGO!!!!!
You are vilifying Jesus, whom we hold holy. Do your flaming in flame
groups, not in our pristine Christian NGs. I will post you over to some.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: TQotM Nomination!! Re: Atheism and the self |
14 Aug 2004 09:36:06 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:29 -0400 in episode
<o7wTc.91826$pq4.56558@nntp-post.primus.ca> we saw our hero "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com>:
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:10hsl3nds1k3u7f@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:C7lTc.90653$cA5.9067@nntp-post.primus.ca...
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:20SQc.70$l96.31@nwrddc04.gnilink.net...
Not only that, but we are supposed to be doing it for EXACTLY the
same
reasons atheists do; because it's the right thing to do, not
because
we
are hoping to get extra gold in the heavenly paving...
"The right thing to do" according to whose definition? Your own?
Your
friends? Society? We Christians have Jesus for our standard of what is
right. What or who do you have to define and demonstrate the ideals
you seek to live up to?
You may "HAVE" "geesuz" .. but rather than honestly FOLLOWING geezus -
you USE geezus as a tool to support YOUR OWN GOD ... YOUR EGO!!!!!
You are vilifying Jesus, whom we hold holy. Do your flaming in flame
groups, not in our pristine Christian NGs. I will post you over to some.
Trying to get your account pulled like the last time Frank?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: TQotM Nomination!! Re: Atheism and the self |
15 Aug 2004 01:29:12 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
You are vilifying Jesus
How can one vilify a flying piece of crap?
--
David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "Pastor Njygaard" |
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15 Aug 2004 05:02:35 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:29:12 -0700, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
You are vilifying Jesus
How can one vilify a flying piece of crap?
Easy.
Dead Jesus Sketch
The cast:
ATHEIST
"PASTOR" FRANK
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The sketch:
A customer enters Honest Franks Very Holy Church shop.
Atheist: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.
(Frank does not respond.)
Atheist: 'Ello, Miss?
Frank: What do you mean "miss"?
Atheist: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
Frank: We're closin' for lent.
Atheist: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this
saviour what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
Frank: Oh yes, the, uh, the Palestine Pansy...What's,uh...What's
wrong with it?
Atheist: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead,
that's what's wrong with it!
Frank: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
Atheist: Look, matey, I know a dead saviour when I see one, and
I'm looking at one right now.
Frank: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable
messiah, the Palestine Pansy, idn'it, ay? Beautiful beard!
Atheist: The beard don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
Frank: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!
Atheist: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up!
(shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Son of Man! I've got a lovely
fresh cuttle fish for you if you
show...
(Frank slaps the corpse on the arse)
Frank: There, he moved!
Atheist: No, he didn't, that was you fondling his buttocks!
Frank: I never!!
Atheist: Yes, you did!
Frank: I never, never did anything...
Atheist: (yelling and hitting the corpse repeatedly) 'ELLO
YASSIR!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine
o'clock alarm call!
(Grabs corpse by its long flowing hair and thumps its head on the
counter. Waves its limp arms in a blessing gesture and watches it
collapse lifelessly onto the floor.)
Atheist: Now that's what I call a dead saviour.
Frank: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!
Atheist: STUNNED?!?
Frank: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Palestine
Pansies stun easily, major.
Atheist: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad
enough of this. That saviour is definitely deceased, and when I
purchased it not 'alf an hour
ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it
bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged wedding party.
Frank: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for Getsemane.
Atheist: PININ' for GETSEMANE?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?,
look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?
Frank: The Palestine Pansy prefers keepin' on it's back!
Remarkable messiah, id'nit, squire? Lovely beard!
Atheist: Look, I took the liberty of examining that saviour when
I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been
sitting on its cross in the
first place was that it had been NAILED there.
(pause)
Frank: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed
that messiah down, it would have found a bunch of unemployed oiks,
turned'em nuts with his fancy speechin', and
VOOM! Civil war!
Atheist: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this messiah wouldn't "voom" if you put
four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!
Frank: No no! 'E's pining!
Atheist: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This saviour is no
more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the cross 'e'd be
pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's
off the twig! 'E's kicked the
bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain
and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-SAVIOUR!!
(pause)
Frank: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek
behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of
the shop, and uh,
we're right out of saviours.
Atheist: I see. I see, I get the picture.
Frank: I got an amish.
(pause)
Atheist: Pray, does it preach?
Frank: Nnnnot really.
Atheist: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?
Frank: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet)
Atheist: Well.
(pause)
Frank: (quietly) D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place?
Atheist: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: TQotM Nomination!! Re: Atheism and the self |
15 Aug 2004 06:51:01 AM |
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Pastor Njygaard wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:29:12 -0700, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
You are vilifying Jesus
How can one vilify a flying piece of crap?
Easy.
Dead Jesus Sketch
The cast:
ATHEIST
"PASTOR" FRANK
sounds suspiciously like the Dead Parrot Sketch to me.
Never mind, it was GREAT and made the point
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The sketch:
A customer enters Honest Franks Very Holy Church shop.
Atheist: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.
(Frank does not respond.)
Atheist: 'Ello, Miss?
Frank: What do you mean "miss"?
Atheist: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
Frank: We're closin' for lent.
Atheist: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this
saviour what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
Frank: Oh yes, the, uh, the Palestine Pansy...What's,uh...What's
wrong with it?
Atheist: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead,
that's what's wrong with it!
Frank: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
Atheist: Look, matey, I know a dead saviour when I see one, and
I'm looking at one right now.
Frank: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable
messiah, the Palestine Pansy, idn'it, ay? Beautiful beard!
Atheist: The beard don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
Frank: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!
Atheist: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up!
(shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Son of Man! I've got a lovely
fresh cuttle fish for you if you
show...
(Frank slaps the corpse on the arse)
Frank: There, he moved!
Atheist: No, he didn't, that was you fondling his buttocks!
Frank: I never!!
Atheist: Yes, you did!
Frank: I never, never did anything...
Atheist: (yelling and hitting the corpse repeatedly) 'ELLO
YASSIR!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine
o'clock alarm call!
(Grabs corpse by its long flowing hair and thumps its head on the
counter. Waves its limp arms in a blessing gesture and watches it
collapse lifelessly onto the floor.)
Atheist: Now that's what I call a dead saviour.
Frank: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!
Atheist: STUNNED?!?
Frank: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Palestine
Pansies stun easily, major.
Atheist: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad
enough of this. That saviour is definitely deceased, and when I
purchased it not 'alf an hour
ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it
bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged wedding party.
Frank: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for Getsemane.
Atheist: PININ' for GETSEMANE?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?,
look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?
Frank: The Palestine Pansy prefers keepin' on it's back!
Remarkable messiah, id'nit, squire? Lovely beard!
Atheist: Look, I took the liberty of examining that saviour when
I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been
sitting on its cross in the
first place was that it had been NAILED there.
(pause)
Frank: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed
that messiah down, it would have found a bunch of unemployed oiks,
turned'em nuts with his fancy speechin', and
VOOM! Civil war!
Atheist: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this messiah wouldn't "voom" if you put
four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!
Frank: No no! 'E's pining!
Atheist: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This saviour is no
more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the cross 'e'd be
pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's
off the twig! 'E's kicked the
bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain
and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-SAVIOUR!!
(pause)
Frank: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek
behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of
the shop, and uh,
we're right out of saviours.
Atheist: I see. I see, I get the picture.
Frank: I got an amish.
(pause)
Atheist: Pray, does it preach?
Frank: Nnnnot really.
Atheist: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?
Frank: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet)
Atheist: Well.
(pause)
Frank: (quietly) D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place?
Atheist: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure.
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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06 Aug 2004 05:36:08 PM |
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:57:36 -0500, The other Donald wrote
(in article <4hSQc.3486$KZ2.3479@fe2.texas.rr.com>):
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:20SQc.70$l96.31@nwrddc04.gnilink.net...
"Puck Greenman" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:egp7h09v5iu6rrq7j3cujv56elejv64b66@4ax.com...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:34:54 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
To know who he is, an atheists has to judge himself continuously
and
keep mental records. Self-improvement is a big thing in an atheist's
life,
For once, you have got something right, we are, very often, concerned
with improving our selves. We don't want forgivness for our wrong
doing, and mistakes, we want to *avoid* doing wrong, and making
mistakes, and that takes a lot of effort.
Well, there's nothing wrong with wanting forgiveness...or asking for it,
or
earning it. It's part of the growth process. How can you improve yourself
if
you don't take care of the loose ends you left as a result of your
previous
screwups?
Other than that, I think that you have a very good point, and it's a point
that more 'born again Christains' should pay attention to. Being 'saved'
is
NOT like winning a lottery or a Cruise to the Bahamas, it doesn't come
cheap, and we are SUPPOSED to be judging ourselves continually and
improving
our attitudes and our behaviors...
Begin nominated portion:
Not only that, but we are supposed to be doing it for EXACTLY the same
reasons atheists do; because it's the right thing to do, not because we
are
hoping to get extra gold in the heavenly paving...
End quote.
I know that the TQotM is usually reserved for the fundy that posts their
usual tripe, but I have to give credit here. Diana hits the head right on
the nail.
Seconded. A very good pick, Donald.
Extra group snipped
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³(B)iological evolution is a team sport.³-Louis Friend
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: TQotM Nomination!! Re: Atheism and the self |
08 Aug 2004 04:29:31 AM |
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In article <0001HW.BD3972080025F5E6F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>,
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:57:36 -0500, The other Donald wrote
(in article <4hSQc.3486$KZ2.3479@fe2.texas.rr.com>):
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:20SQc.70$l96.31@nwrddc04.gnilink.net...
"Puck Greenman" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:egp7h09v5iu6rrq7j3cujv56elejv64b66@4ax.com...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:34:54 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
To know who he is, an atheists has to judge himself continuously
and
keep mental records. Self-improvement is a big thing in an atheist's
life,
For once, you have got something right, we are, very often, concerned
with improving our selves. We don't want forgivness for our wrong
doing, and mistakes, we want to *avoid* doing wrong, and making
mistakes, and that takes a lot of effort.
Well, there's nothing wrong with wanting forgiveness...or asking for it,
or
earning it. It's part of the growth process. How can you improve yourself
if
you don't take care of the loose ends you left as a result of your
previous
screwups?
Other than that, I think that you have a very good point, and it's a point
that more 'born again Christains' should pay attention to. Being 'saved'
is
NOT like winning a lottery or a Cruise to the Bahamas, it doesn't come
cheap, and we are SUPPOSED to be judging ourselves continually and
improving
our attitudes and our behaviors...
Begin nominated portion:
Not only that, but we are supposed to be doing it for EXACTLY the same
reasons atheists do; because it's the right thing to do, not because we
are
hoping to get extra gold in the heavenly paving...
End quote.
I know that the TQotM is usually reserved for the fundy that posts their
usual tripe, but I have to give credit here. Diana hits the head right on
the nail.
Seconded. A very good pick, Donald.
Recorded.
Extra group snipped
Thankee very kindly!
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: ZenIsWhen trashing and flaming again in Christian NGs |
07 Aug 2004 10:01:11 PM |
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:10h9mkake7k1k5c@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:wQ3Rc.75265$4S1.30940@nntp-post.primus.ca...
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:20SQc.70$l96.31@nwrddc04.gnilink.net...
"Puck Greenman" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:egp7h09v5iu6rrq7j3cujv56elejv64b66@4ax.com...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:34:54 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
To know who he is, an atheists has to judge himself
continuously
and
keep mental records. Self-improvement is a big thing in an
atheist's
life,
For once, you have got something right, we are, very often,
concerned
with improving our selves. We don't want forgivness for our wrong
doing, and mistakes, we want to *avoid* doing wrong, and making
mistakes, and that takes a lot of effort.
Well, there's nothing wrong with wanting forgiveness...or asking for
it,
or
earning it. It's part of the growth process. How can you improve
yourself
if
you don't take care of the loose ends you left as a result of your
previous
screwups?
Other than that, I think that you have a very good point, and it's a
point
that more 'born again Christains' should pay attention to. Being
'saved'
is
NOT like winning a lottery or a Cruise to the Bahamas, it doesn't come
cheap, and we are SUPPOSED to be judging ourselves continually and
improving
our attitudes and our behaviors...
Not only that, but we are supposed to be doing it for EXACTLY the same
reasons atheists do; because it's the right thing to do, not because
we
are
hoping to get extra gold in the heavenly paving...
We are NOT to "judge ourselves continually" for judgement is of the
Lord
ONLY. In fact we are not to judge anyone, but we are only to judge
actions.
Then why are you CONSTANTLY judging, insulting, and demeaning PEOPLE WHO
DISAGREE WITH YOU (calling them atheists as though disagreeing with you is
the same as disagreeing with god)?
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| Title: Re: ZenIsWhen trashing and flaming again in Christian NGs |
08 Aug 2004 10:12:40 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<W7hRc.76677$DO6.60932@nntp-post.primus.ca>...
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Puck Greenman" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:34:54 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
To know who he is, an atheists has to judge himself
continuously
and
keep mental records. Self-improvement is a big thing in an
atheist's
life,
For once, you have got something right, we are, very often,
concerned
with improving our selves. We don't want forgivness for our wrong
doing, and mistakes, we want to *avoid* doing wrong, and making
mistakes, and that takes a lot of effort.
Well, there's nothing wrong with wanting forgiveness...or asking for
it,
or
earning it. It's part of the growth process. How can you improve
yourself
if
you don't take care of the loose ends you left as a result of your
previous
screwups?
Other than that, I think that you have a very good point, and it's a
point
that more 'born again Christains' should pay attention to. Being
'saved'
is
NOT like winning a lottery or a Cruise to the Bahamas, it doesn't come
cheap, and we are SUPPOSED to be judging ourselves continually and
improving
our attitudes and our behaviors...
Not only that, but we are supposed to be doing it for EXACTLY the same
reasons atheists do; because it's the right thing to do, not because
we
are
hoping to get extra gold in the heavenly paving...
We are NOT to "judge ourselves continually" for judgement is of the
Lord
ONLY. In fact we are not to judge anyone, but we are only to judge
actions.
Then why are you CONSTANTLY judging, insulting, and demeaning PEOPLE WHO
DISAGREE WITH YOU (calling them atheists as though disagreeing with you is
the same as disagreeing with god)?
because pastor fake is a *****, as well as a *****.
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