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"Nosterill" |
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20 Jun 2007 04:54:21 AM |
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Re: Atheists - The biggest fools on Earth |
On Jun 20, 4:22 am, "Vinod" <V...@jasminecorp.net> wrote:
God himself said that Atheists are fools.
Psa 53:1 The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are
corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good.
Well it is obvious if somebody tells me that I don't exists then I will
think about that person the same way because I know I do exist. God knows He
does exist so He has made it clear who the fool is.
But even a fool can become wise by knowing God.
Your entire argument pre-supposes that a god exists. This is a
circular argument - not a proof. Without that initial assumption, the
whole case collapses.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists - The biggest fools on Earth |
20 Jun 2007 08:26:43 AM |
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Last time that great scribe Nosterill <fladgate@hotmail.com> chipped
away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
On Jun 20, 4:22 am, "Vinod" <V...@jasminecorp.net> wrote:
God himself said that Atheists are fools.
Psa 53:1 The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are
corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good.
Well it is obvious if somebody tells me that I don't exists then I will
think about that person the same way because I know I do exist. God knows He
does exist so He has made it clear who the fool is.
But even a fool can become wise by knowing God.
Your entire argument pre-supposes that a god exists. This is a
circular argument - not a proof. Without that initial assumption, the
whole case collapses.
Whoever says thou fool shall be in danger of hellfire.
Matt 5:22
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you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists - The biggest fools on Earth |
20 Jun 2007 08:08:33 AM |
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On Jun 20, 5:54 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 4:22 am, "Vinod" <V...@jasminecorp.net> wrote:
God himself said that Atheists are fools.
Psa 53:1 The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are
corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good.
Well it is obvious if somebody tells me that I don't exists then I will
think about that person the same way because I know I do exist. God kno=
ws He
does exist so He has made it clear who the fool is.
But even a fool can become wise by knowing God.
Your entire argument pre-supposes that a god exists. This is a
circular argument - not a proof. Without that initial assumption, the
whole case collapses.
II think atheists would not bring up the argument unless theists did
not bring it up God first.
Would God call his creations a fool?
Would that promote peace within God or destroy God's inner peace?
Circular arguments?
Isn't that the same as you claiming God exits because the bible says
so?
The problem with always going back to the bible for the last word is
this.
The bible is not the Word of God but the word of man.
And the only thing that confirms the bible is the bible which is not a
confirmation.
We can say the same arguments for the Qur=B7'an or the Book of Mormons.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D318.0
We must also be careful with putting words in the mouth of Jesus as
many Christians like to do
After all no one that ever wrote about Jesus ever met Jesus and it is
ALL heresy.
May I be so bold to suggest that you all drop the pretense and lies
that you have been grasping onto for entire life and rebuild your life
through a foundation of truth and testing and regenerate yourselves
into a truth based agnostic freethinker?
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D470.0
It may take time, but you will be successful at finding truth if you
try.
My own journey leaving theism was a long one.
I was Catholic for 50 years and am now a freethinking agnostic.
It all started for me many years ago when an ex-Krishna / Wicca
massage lady told me that Jesus was not born on December 25 and the
Christians adopted that day to steal it away from the pagans holiday.
Then she told be it was the same with Halloween.
A few years later I found out that the gospels were not written by the
apostles or men that even knew Jesus.
Then I came across Freke's book 'The Jesus Mysteries.' I started to
study the beginnings of Christianity and how the Nicene council was
nothing more than a political convention to find out who had the best
spin on Jesus.
I wrote to a few professors such Bart D. Ehrman and others asking
about The Jesus Mysteries. Their reply was it wasn't worth reading or
just nonsense.
Relieved that such talk was hogwash, I drifted back to religion for
some time until the next crack showed up at my door.
I was on a Buddhist forum eSangha (where I was eventually banned) and
the discussion turned to Jesus. Someone mentioned the 'Jesus Never
Existed' website and then this forum came about so I joined.
Then talked with an ex-rabbi dizax that guided me into more detailed
biblical study.
Meeting that ex-rabbi was a major turning point in my life of
religious beliefs, as I had never bothered to 'really' study what the
foundation of monotheism was based on. I only bought the religious
hype and did not know the facts.
Then one day read in the news that the church abolishes limbo. This
did not go well with the concept of the truth is that which does not
change.
Then watched some shows on the History Channel about religion that
gave me more insight by exposing the lies.
I talked with some Christian members at the forums.
Sometimes their argument's were really insane. One Christian argued
that the ancient coal and fossils were planted by the devil to trick
us so we would not believe in God and go to hell.
Other were smarter and less extreme. One in particular was most
knowledgeable. He said the bible was the perfect word of God EXCEPT
the creation story which he viewed as myth.
Well, if we start to pick and choose what is real or lies in the
bible...where does it end?
I started to talk with many atheists and listened to their stories.
All good questions they proposed and the theists could never begin to
answer them.
I sated listening to some of Ken Humphrey's programs:
http://jesusneverexisted.com/ken-Alchemy.mp3
http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DNews&file=3Darti=
cle&sid=3D190&mode=3Dthread%22(der=3D0&thold=3D0
http://jesusneverexisted.com/kenwfm.mp3
As I continued to study religion and the bible in particular, I could
see very clearly now that all religion is man made and flavored with
the ego's of men.
That was my day on enlightenment...now it is your turn my friend.
And after about 7 years of developing cracks in my Catholic
foundations, I decided that I would make a change in my way of life,
sided on the path of truth and left the church evolving into a truth
based Agnostic Freethinker.
I still use many tools from spiritual as well as religious sources.
If the tool can be tested for truth and does not require faith, then I
make use of it if it promotes inner peace. (I should say it does take
'faith to test' sometimes, but once you start the test, the need for
faith evaporates.)
see:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D4.0
Take Care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
For free access to my earlier posts on voluntary simplicity,
compulsive spending, debting, compulsive overeating and clutter write:
vfr44@aol.com. Any opinion expressed here is that of my own and is not
the opinion, recommendation or belief of any group or organization.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists - The biggest fools on Earth |
20 Jun 2007 01:12:18 PM |
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Congratulations on being converted from myths and fables to objective
verifiable 'evidence'!
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1182344913.182875.168070@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 5:54 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 4:22 am, "Vinod" <V...@jasminecorp.net> wrote:
God himself said that Atheists are fools.
Psa 53:1 The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are
corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good.
Well it is obvious if somebody tells me that I don't exists then I will
think about that person the same way because I know I do exist. God
knows He
does exist so He has made it clear who the fool is.
But even a fool can become wise by knowing God.
Your entire argument pre-supposes that a god exists. This is a
circular argument - not a proof. Without that initial assumption, the
whole case collapses.
II think atheists would not bring up the argument unless theists did
not bring it up God first.
Would God call his creations a fool?
Would that promote peace within God or destroy God's inner peace?
Circular arguments?
Isn't that the same as you claiming God exits because the bible says
so?
The problem with always going back to the bible for the last word is
this.
The bible is not the Word of God but the word of man.
And the only thing that confirms the bible is the bible which is not a
confirmation.
We can say the same arguments for the Qur·'an or the Book of Mormons.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=318.0
We must also be careful with putting words in the mouth of Jesus as
many Christians like to do
After all no one that ever wrote about Jesus ever met Jesus and it is
ALL heresy.
May I be so bold to suggest that you all drop the pretense and lies
that you have been grasping onto for entire life and rebuild your life
through a foundation of truth and testing and regenerate yourselves
into a truth based agnostic freethinker?
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0
It may take time, but you will be successful at finding truth if you
try.
My own journey leaving theism was a long one.
I was Catholic for 50 years and am now a freethinking agnostic.
It all started for me many years ago when an ex-Krishna / Wicca
massage lady told me that Jesus was not born on December 25 and the
Christians adopted that day to steal it away from the pagans holiday.
Then she told be it was the same with Halloween.
A few years later I found out that the gospels were not written by the
apostles or men that even knew Jesus.
Then I came across Freke's book 'The Jesus Mysteries.' I started to
study the beginnings of Christianity and how the Nicene council was
nothing more than a political convention to find out who had the best
spin on Jesus.
I wrote to a few professors such Bart D. Ehrman and others asking
about The Jesus Mysteries. Their reply was it wasn't worth reading or
just nonsense.
Relieved that such talk was hogwash, I drifted back to religion for
some time until the next crack showed up at my door.
I was on a Buddhist forum eSangha (where I was eventually banned) and
the discussion turned to Jesus. Someone mentioned the 'Jesus Never
Existed' website and then this forum came about so I joined.
Then talked with an ex-rabbi dizax that guided me into more detailed
biblical study.
Meeting that ex-rabbi was a major turning point in my life of
religious beliefs, as I had never bothered to 'really' study what the
foundation of monotheism was based on. I only bought the religious
hype and did not know the facts.
Then one day read in the news that the church abolishes limbo. This
did not go well with the concept of the truth is that which does not
change.
Then watched some shows on the History Channel about religion that
gave me more insight by exposing the lies.
I talked with some Christian members at the forums.
Sometimes their argument's were really insane. One Christian argued
that the ancient coal and fossils were planted by the devil to trick
us so we would not believe in God and go to hell.
Other were smarter and less extreme. One in particular was most
knowledgeable. He said the bible was the perfect word of God EXCEPT
the creation story which he viewed as myth.
Well, if we start to pick and choose what is real or lies in the
bible...where does it end?
I started to talk with many atheists and listened to their stories.
All good questions they proposed and the theists could never begin to
answer them.
I sated listening to some of Ken Humphrey's programs:
http://jesusneverexisted.com/ken-Alchemy.mp3
http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=190&mode=thread%22(der=0&thold=0
http://jesusneverexisted.com/kenwfm.mp3
As I continued to study religion and the bible in particular, I could
see very clearly now that all religion is man made and flavored with
the ego's of men.
That was my day on enlightenment...now it is your turn my friend.
And after about 7 years of developing cracks in my Catholic
foundations, I decided that I would make a change in my way of life,
sided on the path of truth and left the church evolving into a truth
based Agnostic Freethinker.
I still use many tools from spiritual as well as religious sources.
If the tool can be tested for truth and does not require faith, then I
make use of it if it promotes inner peace. (I should say it does take
'faith to test' sometimes, but once you start the test, the need for
faith evaporates.)
see:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
Take Care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
For free access to my earlier posts on voluntary simplicity,
compulsive spending, debting, compulsive overeating and clutter write:
vfr44@aol.com. Any opinion expressed here is that of my own and is not
the opinion, recommendation or belief of any group or organization.
.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists - The biggest fools on Earth |
20 Jun 2007 01:16:28 PM |
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On Jun 20, 11:12 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Congratulations on being converted from myths and fables to objective
verifiable 'evidence'!"V"
He still believes in gods, just not the Abrahamic gods.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists - The biggest fools on Earth |
20 Jun 2007 07:52:30 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:54:21 -0700, Nosterill <fladgate@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Jun 20, 4:22 am, "Vinod" <V...@jasminecorp.net> wrote:
God himself said that Atheists are fools.
Psa 53:1 The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are
corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good.
Well it is obvious if somebody tells me that I don't exists then I will
think about that person the same way because I know I do exist. God knows He
does exist so He has made it clear who the fool is.
But even a fool can become wise by knowing God.
Your entire argument pre-supposes that a god exists. This is a
circular argument - not a proof. Without that initial assumption, the
whole case collapses.
Without that initial assumption, religion itself collapses.
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