Re: Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers



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User: "Rappin Ronnie Raygun"
Date: 02 Dec 2005 06:34:46 PM
Object: Re: Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers
TV's J.C. wrote:

People just outright ignore the second part of the claus. "nor the free
expression thereof". That means anyone can express their religious
beliefs anywhere, anytime and anyplace.

No, it doesn't. Government officials cannot promote religion while on the
job, nor can government agencies promote religion.

It also means that the federal
government can actually spend taxpayer money to promote religious
activities so long as it does not endorse one religion over another.

No, it doesn't! It is IMPOSSIBLE to promote religious activities without
endorsing a specific religion. Else, they're not "religious activities".

And, when the 10th amendment comes into play it means that any state can
actually "respect" a particular religion, as is evident by the number of
"respected" "state endorsed" religions for a time after the codification
of the constitution. And, what's even more, the 14th amendment
solidified the 10th amdendment.

There have been many instances of the government violating the Constitution,
sometimes for centuries at a time. That doesn't make them any more legal.
.

User: "James C. Reeves"

Title: Re: Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers 03 Dec 2005 09:41:55 PM
"Rappin' Ronnie Raygun" <watNOSPAMuzi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fYqdnV68i5uzdQ3eRVn-iA@centurytel.net...

TV's J.C. wrote:

People just outright ignore the second part of the claus. "nor the free
expression thereof". That means anyone can express their religious
beliefs anywhere, anytime and anyplace.


No, it doesn't. Government officials cannot promote religion while on the
job, nor can government agencies promote religion.

Sounds to me that that would be a hindrance to the guaranteed right of free
expression. I don't recall these "exceptions" to this right in the
Constitution.

It also means that the federal
government can actually spend taxpayer money to promote religious
activities so long as it does not endorse one religion over another.


No, it doesn't! It is IMPOSSIBLE to promote religious activities without
endorsing a specific religion.

If the city or federal agency erects both a Christmas tree AND a Menorah
during the holidays, just what single religion are they "promoting" (a.k.a.
"endorsing")? Answer? They aren't "endorsing" anything with these acts.

Else, they're not "religious activities".

And, when the 10th amendment comes into play it means that any state can
actually "respect" a particular religion, as is evident by the number of
"respected" "state endorsed" religions for a time after the codification
of the constitution. And, what's even more, the 14th amendment
solidified the 10th amdendment.


There have been many instances of the government violating the
Constitution, sometimes for centuries at a time. That doesn't make them
any more legal.

Like creating laws that would violate ones Constitutional right to free
expression?
.
User: "Dave"

Title: Re: Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers 04 Dec 2005 03:02:20 AM
James C. Reeves wrote:

"Rappin' Ronnie Raygun" <watNOSPAMuzi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fYqdnV68i5uzdQ3eRVn-iA@centurytel.net...

TV's J.C. wrote:

People just outright ignore the second part of the claus. "nor the free
expression thereof". That means anyone can express their religious
beliefs anywhere, anytime and anyplace.


No, it doesn't. Government officials cannot promote religion while on the
job, nor can government agencies promote religion.


Sounds to me that that would be a hindrance to the guaranteed right of free
expression. I don't recall these "exceptions" to this right in the
Constitution.

So it'd be okay for a law enforcement officer to express his freedom of
religion by spilling the blood of any man who lies with another man, as
dictated in Leviticus 20:13?
These exceptions should be obvious, because as soon as you allow
someone to express their freedoms on the job you open the door to all
kinds of nutjob interpretations of the rules.
Just because these rules are a hinderance to those wishing to 'save
someone' doesn't mean they're a bad thing.
Dave
.

User: "Rappin Ronnie Raygun"

Title: Re: Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers 03 Dec 2005 09:53:06 PM
TV's James C. Reeves wrote:

"Rappin' Ronnie Raygun" <watNOSPAMuzi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fYqdnV68i5uzdQ3eRVn-iA@centurytel.net...

TV's J.C. wrote:

People just outright ignore the second part of the claus. "nor the free
expression thereof". That means anyone can express their religious
beliefs anywhere, anytime and anyplace.


No, it doesn't. Government officials cannot promote religion while on
the job, nor can government agencies promote religion.


Sounds to me that that would be a hindrance to the guaranteed right of
free expression. I don't recall these "exceptions" to this right in the
Constitution.

If I call my boss a "fucking git" I'll likely get fired. Freedom of speech
does not mean you can say anything you want to while on the job. A
government employee's religious beliefs or lack thereof are private and
personal matters, and the employee does not have the right to promote their
beliefs in the name of the government, nor do they have the right to promote
their religion while "on the clock".

It also means that the federal
government can actually spend taxpayer money to promote religious
activities so long as it does not endorse one religion over another.


No, it doesn't! It is IMPOSSIBLE to promote religious activities
without endorsing a specific religion.


If the city or federal agency erects both a Christmas tree AND a Menorah
during the holidays, just what single religion are they "promoting"
(a.k.a. "endorsing")? Answer? They aren't "endorsing" anything with
these acts.

They are promoting Judaism and Xianity. Where is the display for the
Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, pagans....you see a pattern?

Else, they're not "religious activities".


And, when the 10th amendment comes into play it means that any state
can actually "respect" a particular religion, as is evident by the
number of "respected" "state endorsed" religions for a time after the
codification of the constitution. And, what's even more, the 14th
amendment solidified the 10th amdendment.


There have been many instances of the government violating the
Constitution, sometimes for centuries at a time. That doesn't make them
any more legal.


Like creating laws that would violate ones Constitutional right to free
expression?

The Constitution does not give one the right to promote religion while on
the job.
.



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