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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Rappin Ronnie Raygun"
Date: 03 Dec 2005 07:59:10 PM
Object: Re: Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers
TV's Rich Piehl wrote:

Rappin' Ronnie Raygun wrote:

TV's Rich Piehl wrote:

Rappin' Ronnie Raygun wrote:

TV's Rich Piehl wrote:

Rappin' Ronnie Raygun wrote:


They want their religion to be a part of everybody's life,
regardless of personal beliefs or lack of beliefs. That is what I
find offensive.




Something similar could be said about atheists:

They want their lack of religion to be a part of everybody's life,
regardless of personal beliefs. That is what I find offensive.




No. Atheists want religion to be a private affair, just as the
Constitution deems it.


Would that be the Constitution made possible by the Declaration of
Independence? The one that reads:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are CREATED
equal, that they are endowed by -their Creator- with certain
unalienable Rights..."

How can you have a Creator if you don't believe in God?

You want the benefits of one document, but ignore the one that enabled
it. Without the first one the second one doesn't exist.



The laws of the land are based on the Constitution, not the DOC.\

If you want to continue playing the non-law document game, I present to
you the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797.


From article 11:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense
founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of
enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as
the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility
against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no
pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an
interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

How can you have a "Christian nation" if the country was not in any
sense founded on the Christian religion?


How can you have a country that doesn't acknowledge a Deity when the
document that is the very basis for its existence says there is one?

Like I said, the DOC is not the basis for law.
Are you going to ignore the Treaty of Tripoli? Treaties are valid laws.
The DOC isn't.
.

User: "Rich Piehl"

Title: Re: Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemoratingfallen Highway Patrol troopers 03 Dec 2005 08:12:50 PM
Rappin' Ronnie Raygun wrote:



Like I said, the DOC is not the basis for law.

Are you going to ignore the Treaty of Tripoli? Treaties are valid laws.
The DOC isn't.


But without it the laws have no reason to exist.
Take care,
Rich
God bless the USA
--
Some people are like slinkies; not really good for anything,
but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them
down a flight of stairs.
--Glenn Beck
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User: "Larry Harvilla"

Title: Re: Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemoratingfallen Highway Patrol troopers 04 Dec 2005 05:26:22 AM
On 12/3/2005 9:12 pm, Rich Piehl wrote:

Rappin' Ronnie Raygun wrote:



Like I said, the DOC is not the basis for law.

Are you going to ignore the Treaty of Tripoli? Treaties are valid laws.
The DOC isn't.



But without it the laws have no reason to exist.

Rich, that still isn't a valid argument. The Declaration of
Independence, while a fine and superb historical document, is legally
nothing more than a "f*ck you" letter from leading representatives of
the colonies to King George III. The Revolution and our attainment of
independence from the British Crown could very well have happened in the
absence of the DoI.
I am not questioning its incalculable historical and spiritual value,
but it is by no means the sine qua non of the American system of law
established by the Constitution and later augmented by Congress and
state legislatures.
--
Larry Harvilla
e-mail: roads AT phatpage DOT org
blog-aliciousness: http://www.phatpage.org/news/
also visit: http://www.phatpage.org/highways.html
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