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"Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Jan 2004 11:21:06 AM |
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Re: Atheists that sing Christmas Songs |
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists that sing Christmas Songs |
04 Jan 2004 11:37:01 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.01.04.17.02.45.679726@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
And so upon Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:58:55 +0000 didst Robibnikoff speak
thusly:
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.03.17.21.06.603273@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
And if he "so strongly disbelieves" in paganism, why does he do that?
Well, you know. Christian = Hypocrite.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists that sing Christmas Songs |
06 Jan 2004 05:57:51 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 17:37:01 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>,
Message ID: <1bYJb.20836$85.444@www.newsranger.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <pan.2004.01.04.17.02.45.679726@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
And so upon Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:58:55 +0000 didst Robibnikoff speak
thusly:
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.03.17.21.06.603273@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
And if he "so strongly disbelieves" in paganism, why does he do that?
Well, you know. Christian = Hypocrite.
And, in Moss' case, pig ignorant and dishonest as 'heaven.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists that sing Christmas Songs |
04 Jan 2004 01:02:54 PM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.03.17.21.06.603273@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument. Except with songs this time.
It isn't nice of you to point out all the non-xian religious stuff
*he does. :)
jwk
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists that sing Christmas Songs |
04 Jan 2004 01:33:44 PM |
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In article <c6f5ba32.0401041102.572523df@posting.google.com>, jwk says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...snip
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument.
Well, yes. As I fond of saying "holy crap!", that must mean that I believe crap
is holy ;)
Except with songs this time.
It isn't nice of you to point out all the non-xian religious stuff
*he does. :)
Well, it IS my job ;)
Think he's ever sung "Deck the Halls"? TOTALLY Pagan ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Michael W. Moss" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists that sing Christmas Songs |
05 Jan 2004 07:35:04 PM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<sUZJb.20923$85.164@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <c6f5ba32.0401041102.572523df@posting.google.com>, jwk says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...snip
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument.
Well, yes. As I fond of saying "holy crap!", that must mean that I believe crap
is holy ;)
Except with songs this time.
It isn't nice of you to point out all the non-xian religious stuff
*he does. :)
Well, it IS my job ;)
Think he's ever sung "Deck the Halls"? TOTALLY Pagan ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
It is unbelievable how far away from the topic that I originally
posted this has became. My post was nothing about saying "Holy Crap"
or "Oh My God" My post was a simple question to atheists saying "If
you so strongly believe against God, why do you even BOTHER to
participate in something that you are so strongly against. That's all
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists that sing Christmas Songs |
06 Jan 2004 03:29:28 AM |
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(Michael W. Moss) wrote in message news:<74addd13.0401051735.d2b4bfe@posting.google.com>...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<sUZJb.20923$85.164@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <c6f5ba32.0401041102.572523df@posting.google.com>, jwk says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...snip
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument.
Well, yes. As I fond of saying "holy crap!", that must mean that I believe crap
is holy ;)
Except with songs this time.
It isn't nice of you to point out all the non-xian religious stuff
*he does. :)
Well, it IS my job ;)
Think he's ever sung "Deck the Halls"? TOTALLY Pagan ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
It is unbelievable how far away from the topic that I originally
posted this has became. My post was nothing about saying "Holy Crap"
or "Oh My God" My post was a simple question to atheists saying "If
you so strongly believe against God, why do you even BOTHER to
participate in something that you are so strongly against.
Not believing in "God" means that you're against music?
I suppose to the god-soaked this doesn't seem so odd, because they
often accuse non-believers of being culture-destroyers and
philistines. What a massive case of projection.
-Hypatia Kosh
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Keep your gods out of my government.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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06 Jan 2004 10:30:32 AM |
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In article <74addd13.0401051735.d2b4bfe@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<sUZJb.20923$85.164@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <c6f5ba32.0401041102.572523df@posting.google.com>, jwk says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...snip
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument.
Well, yes. As I fond of saying "holy crap!", that must mean that I believe crap
is holy ;)
Except with songs this time.
It isn't nice of you to point out all the non-xian religious stuff
*he does. :)
Well, it IS my job ;)
Think he's ever sung "Deck the Halls"? TOTALLY Pagan ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
It is unbelievable how far away from the topic that I originally
posted this has became. My post was nothing about saying "Holy Crap"
or "Oh My God" My post was a simple question to atheists saying "If
you so strongly believe against God, why do you even BOTHER to
participate in something that you are so strongly against.
Excuse me, honey, but I don't "so strongly believe against god". I just don't
believe in your god or any others. Does that mean I can't enjoy a Xmas carol?
Please, I think you need to get over yourself. Do you personally dislike all
secular and Pagan (i.e., "Deck the Halls") Xmas songs?
That's all
I don't think I've seen you answer the questions I've posed to you. Do you use
all the Pagan elements in your holiday decorating?
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Kermit" |
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06 Jan 2004 12:07:24 AM |
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Michael W. Moss wrote:
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<sUZJb.20923$85.164@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <c6f5ba32.0401041102.572523df@posting.google.com>, jwk says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...snip
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument.
Well, yes. As I fond of saying "holy crap!", that must mean that I believe crap
is holy ;)
Except with songs this time.
It isn't nice of you to point out all the non-xian religious stuff
*he does. :)
Well, it IS my job ;)
Think he's ever sung "Deck the Halls"? TOTALLY Pagan ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
It is unbelievable how far away from the topic that I originally
posted this has became. My post was nothing about saying "Holy Crap"
or "Oh My God"
Yes, it was. You asked a question, and we are attempting to answer it.
You are either rude and dishonest, or rather dense.
My post was a simple question to atheists saying "If
you so strongly believe against God,
We don't. How strongly do *you believe against Zeus?
why do you even BOTHER to
participate in something that you are so strongly against.
We aren't against cultural rituals. We *are rather against someone
coming to our house (you, here at alt.atheism) and calling us liars when
we say we just like Christmas and singing, and you keep telling us we don't.
If you hate Thor, why do you call Thursday, Thor's Day, and Wednesday
Wodin's Day, and Friday Freya's Day?
That's all
I'm begining to think that's not all. I'm begining to think that you are
not as dense as you pretend; but are deliberately trying to misinterpret
us for your audience.
--
Kermit
Remove _your_inhibitions_ to reply.
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Jan 2004 06:03:45 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:07:24 -0800, Kermit
<freehand_your_inhibitions_@charter.net>, Message ID:
<vvkkt59rhh8901@corp.supernews.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Michael W. Moss wrote:
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<sUZJb.20923$85.164@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <c6f5ba32.0401041102.572523df@posting.google.com>, jwk says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...snip
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument.
Well, yes. As I fond of saying "holy crap!", that must mean that I believe crap
is holy ;)
Except with songs this time.
It isn't nice of you to point out all the non-xian religious stuff
*he does. :)
Well, it IS my job ;)
Think he's ever sung "Deck the Halls"? TOTALLY Pagan ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
It is unbelievable how far away from the topic that I originally
posted this has became. My post was nothing about saying "Holy Crap"
or "Oh My God"
Yes, it was. You asked a question, and we are attempting to answer it.
You are either rude and dishonest, or rather dense.
My post was a simple question to atheists saying "If
you so strongly believe against God,
We don't. How strongly do *you believe against Zeus?
why do you even BOTHER to
participate in something that you are so strongly against.
We aren't against cultural rituals. We *are rather against someone
coming to our house (you, here at alt.atheism) and calling us liars when
we say we just like Christmas and singing, and you keep telling us we don't.
If you hate Thor, why do you call Thursday, Thor's Day, and Wednesday
Wodin's Day, and Friday Freya's Day?
That's all
I'm begining to think that's not all. I'm begining to think that you are
not as dense as you pretend; but are deliberately trying to misinterpret
us for your audience.
Bingo.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists that sing Christmas Songs |
05 Jan 2004 09:22:05 PM |
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Michael W. Moss wrote:
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<sUZJb.20923$85.164@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <c6f5ba32.0401041102.572523df@posting.google.com>, jwk says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...snip
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument.
Well, yes. As I fond of saying "holy crap!", that must mean that I believe crap
is holy ;)
Except with songs this time.
It isn't nice of you to point out all the non-xian religious stuff
*he does. :)
Well, it IS my job ;)
Think he's ever sung "Deck the Halls"? TOTALLY Pagan ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
It is unbelievable how far away from the topic that I originally
posted this has became. My post was nothing about saying "Holy Crap"
or "Oh My God" My post was a simple question to atheists saying "If
you so strongly believe against God, why do you even BOTHER to
participate in something that you are so strongly against. That's all
Well, gee, how many different ways do we have to say "Because we feel
like it" before you'll accept that answer and quit arguing about it?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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05 Jan 2004 11:47:41 PM |
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Michael Moss said regarding atheists:
"... If you so strongly believe against God, why do you even BOTHER to participate in something that you are so strongly against. That's all
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Who said it is a matter of "so strongly believe[ing] against God (gods)"?
Being without a belief in gods is not the same thing as "so strongly
believing against gods."
Most people are without belief in certain gods. Do you believe in Mithra?
Zeus? Horus? And for some gender balance, Athena, Astarte, Hera?
It could just be that an atheist you have occasion to meet somewhere--on
the street, in a usenet forum, etc.--may be free of belief in just one
more god than you are.
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Jan 2004 06:02:59 PM |
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:47:41 -0600, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu>,
Message ID:
<Pine.OSF.3.96.1040105234354.18964A-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Michael Moss said regarding atheists:
"... If you so strongly believe against God, why do you even BOTHER to participate in something that you are so strongly against. That's all
..."
Who said it is a matter of "so strongly believe[ing] against God (gods)"?
Being without a belief in gods is not the same thing as "so strongly
believing against gods."
Most people are without belief in certain gods. Do you believe in Mithra?
Zeus? Horus? And for some gender balance, Athena, Astarte, Hera?
It could just be that an atheist you have occasion to meet somewhere--on
the street, in a usenet forum, etc.--may be free of belief in just one
more god than you are.
Christians are atheist with regard to all but one deity construct. Some
get their panties in twists because their imaginary buddy isn't given
special treatment.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "RainLover" |
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06 Jan 2004 03:24:47 PM |
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On 5 Jan 2004 17:35:04 -0800, (Michael W. Moss)
wrote:
It is unbelievable how far away from the topic that I originally
posted this has became. My post was nothing about saying "Holy Crap"
or "Oh My God" My post was a simple question to atheists saying "If
you so strongly believe against God, why do you even BOTHER to
participate in something that you are so strongly against. That's all
I think you have a basic mis-understanding of "athiest".
Athiest doesn't mean "strongly against God" nor does it mean "against
religion", nor does it mean, "against christmas".
The label "athiest" doesn't define as 'against' anything, it simply
means an athiest doesn't belive in any intelligent God-being.
It sounds as if you are one of the many who think "athiest = satanist"
or "athiest = against god". You would be wrong on both accounts.
James, Seattle
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06 Jan 2004 12:43:54 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:24:47 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> ejaculated:
On 5 Jan 2004 17:35:04 -0800, (Michael W. Moss)
wrote:
It is unbelievable how far away from the topic that I originally
posted this has became. My post was nothing about saying "Holy Crap"
or "Oh My God" My post was a simple question to atheists saying "If
you so strongly believe against God, why do you even BOTHER to
participate in something that you are so strongly against. That's all
I think you have a basic mis-understanding of "athiest".
Athiest doesn't mean "strongly against God" nor does it mean "against
religion", nor does it mean, "against christmas".
The label "athiest" doesn't define as 'against' anything, it simply
means an athiest doesn't belive in any intelligent God-being.
It sounds as if you are one of the many who think "athiest = satanist"
or "athiest = against god". You would be wrong on both accounts.
Actually, athiest is the superlative form of "athy" and so means being
in a state of being most athy. Your guess is as good as mine about
what "athy" means, though.
</mirth>
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<http://www20.brinkster.com/beowulf9/gottod/Jesus%20Hates%20The%20Little%20Children.html>
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Jan 2004 05:59:44 PM |
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On 5 Jan 2004 17:35:04 -0800, (Michael W. Moss),
Message ID: <74addd13.0401051735.d2b4bfe@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<sUZJb.20923$85.164@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <c6f5ba32.0401041102.572523df@posting.google.com>, jwk says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...snip
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument.
Well, yes. As I fond of saying "holy crap!", that must mean that I believe crap
is holy ;)
Except with songs this time.
It isn't nice of you to point out all the non-xian religious stuff
*he does. :)
Well, it IS my job ;)
Think he's ever sung "Deck the Halls"? TOTALLY Pagan ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
It is unbelievable how far away from the topic that I originally
posted this has became. My post was nothing about saying "Holy Crap"
or "Oh My God" My post was a simple question to atheists saying "If
you so strongly believe against God, why do you even BOTHER to
participate in something that you are so strongly against. That's all
Which was very much answered and then, effectively, ignored by you.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Kermit" |
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05 Jan 2004 11:56:34 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <c6f5ba32.0401041102.572523df@posting.google.com>, jwk says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...snip
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument.
Well, yes. As I fond of saying "holy crap!", that must mean that I believe crap
is holy ;)
I wonder if he ever said "Holy cow!" I know Christians who have done
this, because it seems like a relatively non-crude expletive. It is, of
course, from an outsider's take on Hinduism.
But the problem with the literalists I was raised by is that they have a
couple of (OK, many) crippling psychological shortcomings:
they cannot imagine life from another person's perspective, and
they are *very bad with similes, metaphors, and analogies.
He cannot picture people who are not rabid prosylitizers, so he has a
hard time imagining how someone can see his religion as just background
cultural noise, like the Christmas tree, or the Spring
Orgy^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Easter Celebrations.
He also cannot learn the lessons from his own analogous behavior
regarding mistletoe, easter egg hunts, etc.
Except with songs this time.
It isn't nice of you to point out all the non-xian religious stuff
*he does. :)
Well, it IS my job ;)
Think he's ever sung "Deck the Halls"? TOTALLY Pagan ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
---
Yours in Dionysius,
Kermit
Remove _your_inhibitions_ to reply.
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| User: "jwk" |
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09 Jan 2004 02:59:58 PM |
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Kermit <freehand_your_inhibitions_@charter.net> wrote in message news:<vvkk8nqn24tuf2@corp.supernews.com>...
Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <c6f5ba32.0401041102.572523df@posting.google.com>, jwk says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<PSVJb.20815$85.669@www.newsranger.com>...
In article <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com>, Michael W. Moss
says...snip
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
What's your problem? Is it against the law, of something?
Tell me, do you put up a Xmas tree? Decorate with the colors red and green?
Kiss under mistletoe? Hang up wreaths, holly, ivy, etc? Color Easter eggs?
Decorate with "Easter" colors during that holiday? Decorate with bunnies,
chicks, etc?
Because that's completely Pagan and has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Shame on you Robyn. He obviously was going for the old "you use the
word God, so you must believe" argument.
Well, yes. As I fond of saying "holy crap!", that must mean that I believe crap
is holy ;)
I wonder if he ever said "Holy cow!" I know Christians who have done
this, because it seems like a relatively non-crude expletive. It is, of
course, from an outsider's take on Hinduism.
But the problem with the literalists I was raised by is that they have a
couple of (OK, many) crippling psychological shortcomings:
they cannot imagine life from another person's perspective, and
they are *very bad with similes, metaphors, and analogies.
He cannot picture people who are not rabid prosylitizers, so he has a
hard time imagining how someone can see his religion as just background
cultural noise, like the Christmas tree, or the Spring
Orgy^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Easter Celebrations.
Very nicely put - "just background cultural noise". Thank you for
giving us that. I may use it in the future.
jwk
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04 Jan 2004 06:41:50 AM |
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Michael W. Moss wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.03.17.21.06.603273@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
Why? Do you think we have to believe in the character in order to like
holiday music?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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04 Jan 2004 12:09:27 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:41:50 -0500, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
Why? Do you think we have to believe in the character in order to like
holiday music?
Hell, some of my favorite songs might be called "Christian", but I can
enjoy the music without being a bleater.
Listening to "Spirit in the Sky" right now. It has no more effect on
my beliefs or behavoir than "I Wanna Be Sedated"
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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06 Jan 2004 09:45:53 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:09:27 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> ejaculated:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:41:50 -0500, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
Why? Do you think we have to believe in the character in order to like
holiday music?
Hell, some of my favorite songs might be called "Christian", but I can
enjoy the music without being a bleater.
Listening to "Spirit in the Sky" right now. It has no more effect on
my beliefs or behavoir than "I Wanna Be Sedated"
No, it's not possible for you to be able to discern fact from fiction.
Nor is it possible for you to enjoy music for its own sake. You must
be an inveterate lying degenerate atheist.
</sarcasm>
--
Jesus is my crush.
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Jan 2004 05:55:13 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:09:27 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>, Message ID:
<9klgvvkp4qcjc1e3kokgso863drj5pva7r@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:41:50 -0500, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
Why? Do you think we have to believe in the character in order to like
holiday music?
Hell, some of my favorite songs might be called "Christian", but I can
enjoy the music without being a bleater.
Listening to "Spirit in the Sky" right now. It has no more effect on
my beliefs or behavoir than "I Wanna Be Sedated"
Norman Greenbaum... :)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Jan 2004 05:54:24 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:41:50 -0500, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>,
Message ID: <vvg2frg98jk61a@news.supernews.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Michael W. Moss wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.03.17.21.06.603273@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
Why? Do you think we have to believe in the character in order to like
holiday music?
You would have been better off, Fred, to end with 'think.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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04 Jan 2004 07:51:03 AM |
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On 3 Jan 2004 23:01:58 -0800, (Michael W. Moss)
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.03.17.21.06.603273@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
And you were asked if you call the days of the week by their Norse
names. One could also ask if you put up a Christmas tree, since that
is a pagan custom. Is the analogy too subtle for you?
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Jan 2004 11:03:48 AM |
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And so upon Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:51:03 +0100 didst Thomas P. speak thusly:
On 3 Jan 2004 23:01:58 -0800, (Michael W. Moss)
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.03.17.21.06.603273@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
And you were asked if you call the days of the week by their Norse
names. One could also ask if you put up a Christmas tree, since that
is a pagan custom. Is the analogy too subtle for you?
Probably. But I'm also still going to ask if he celebrates easter. I mean,
you talk about *pagan that one. Worse than christmas.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Jan 2004 05:53:15 PM |
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On 3 Jan 2004 23:01:58 -0800, (Michael W. Moss),
Message ID: <74addd13.0401032301.6ba8eb39@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.03.17.21.06.603273@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
Like I said, if Atheists so strongly disbelieve in Jesus, why do they
sing the songs about Jesus at Christmas Time?
Man, you are sooooooooo mindless.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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06 Jan 2004 09:33:56 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:21:06 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh>
ejaculated:
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
<piggybacking>
Big deal? I know a lot of Christians who participate in Halloween.
Why do they do that if they're not Wiccans?
Do you people just go out of your way to look for new ways to malign
atheists?
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
It must Mark. I mean it's not possible that a purely religious
ceremony or symbol could evolve into a cultural icon devoid of its
original meaning.
--
Jesus is my crush.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists that sing Christmas Songs |
06 Jan 2004 05:58:36 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:33:56 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:21:06 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh>
ejaculated:
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
<piggybacking>
Big deal? I know a lot of Christians who participate in Halloween.
Why do they do that if they're not Wiccans?
Do you people just go out of your way to look for new ways to malign
atheists?
He probably does. "Polite" society sees nothing wrong with this.
Certain churches encourage it, and the sociopaths doing it imagine
they'e fighting the good fight by taking pot shots at the bad guys.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
It must Mark. I mean it's not possible that a purely religious
ceremony or symbol could evolve into a cultural icon devoid of its
original meaning.
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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08 Jan 2004 11:03:55 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 23:58:36 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> ejaculated:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:33:56 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:21:06 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh>
ejaculated:
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
<piggybacking>
Big deal? I know a lot of Christians who participate in Halloween.
Why do they do that if they're not Wiccans?
Do you people just go out of your way to look for new ways to malign
atheists?
He probably does. "Polite" society sees nothing wrong with this.
Certain churches encourage it, and the sociopaths doing it imagine
they'e fighting the good fight by taking pot shots at the bad guys.
I'm trying to think back if I was that openly hostile to atheists when
I was a Christian. I think I made a number of the same mistakes wrt
the standard Christian strawmen, but I tended to be deferential/polite
in online debates - mainly asking questions about where pagans and
atheists were coming from. I recall often having in-depth and
interesting discussions with pagans on bulletin boards.
It's disappointing that we don't seem to find that same kind of
dialogue on alt.atheism. Something to think about...
--
"Resurrection is for those who didn't get it right the first time."
- Otep, "Sacrilege"
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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08 Jan 2004 11:13:33 AM |
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Beowulf wrote:
I'm trying to think back if I was that openly hostile to atheists when
I was a Christian. I think I made a number of the same mistakes wrt
the standard Christian strawmen, but I tended to be deferential/polite
in online debates - mainly asking questions about where pagans and
atheists were coming from. I recall often having in-depth and
interesting discussions with pagans on bulletin boards.
It's disappointing that we don't seem to find that same kind of
dialogue on alt.atheism. Something to think about...
I think that a great many of the polite and thoughtful theists
eventually deconvert once they begin discussing the subject with other
atheists. The thoughtless and nasty theists are a lot more resistant
to deconversion, so they tend to accumulate.
--
John Popelish
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Jan 2004 06:13:37 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:33:56 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<53llvv807coq2upui7q79k40tkqkhoi4oc@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:21:06 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh>
ejaculated:
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
<piggybacking>
Big deal? I know a lot of Christians who participate in Halloween.
Why do they do that if they're not Wiccans?
Do you people just go out of your way to look for new ways to malign
atheists?
That's not 'maligning' people. It's showing them Christian love,
compassion, honesty, and empathy.........
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
It must Mark. I mean it's not possible that a purely religious
ceremony or symbol could evolve into a cultural icon devoid of its
original meaning.
Of course not.....
(it's getting very very deep)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists that sing Christmas Songs |
03 Jan 2004 12:01:51 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:21:06 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh>
wrote:
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:00 -0800 didst Michael W. Moss speak
thusly:
I am curious as I know several folks that though they are Atheists,
they still participate in singing Christmas Carols which are about the
God they say they don't believe in.
The veiled nastiness: "they SAY they don't believe in".
Apparently it's OK when Christians do it, though.
Any other atheists that post here that do this? And if so, why? I
thought Atheists Did Not believe in God?
What the ***** has that got to do with enjoying the music?
One of my (Catholic) girlfriend's more fanatical friends couldn't
understand why I like Verdi's Requiem. Or why I liked the movie
"Babette's Feast" because he said it represented something called the
eucharist.
I like the music. I listen but don't join in because I can't sing.
I have had the same girlfriend for several years now. I get to see her
at holidays etc because I had to move from from Silicon Valley to
up-state New York. I even went to a mass with her, for her close
friend's sick mother. Even though I couldn't participate in most of
it.
What would be the big deal? Mythology has always been an influence on
culture. It's just part of a cultural heritage. What of it?
Exactly.
Do you call the days of the week by their Norse names? Does that mean you
believe in Thor?
Why do these assholes feel they have to show we're unreliable,
untrustworthy etc based on their own stupid strawman?
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