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"Billy Goat" |
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31 Mar 2004 06:25:56 PM |
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Re: Atheists,Just Curious |
(mclark) wrote in message news:<1gbgy4h.1bv7e7boncedcN%>...
Billy Goat <ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
ericvonl@my-deja.com (Billy Goat) wrote in message
news:<6bd3c70a.0403282041.325de1fa@posting.google.com>... >
Hebrews 10 doesn't merely say that animal sacrifices are no longer
required; it says animal sacrifices were *never* able to atone for sin
in the first place.
Yet Leviticus insists that animal sacrifices do the job just fine.
Who's lying? God, or God?
--Billy
Well? I'm waiting. If animal sacrifices don't pay for sins (as Hebrews
says), why did God say they were necessary to pay for sins (as
Leviticus says)?
If you want me to understand God's Word and be saved, then help me
understand.
--Billy
Why didn't you reference specific Leviticus verses?
Please SHOW ME the
Leviticus verses which reasonably indicate the animal sacrifices do the
job just fine.
I did. Did you forget? Or are you hoping that nobody else who has been
keeping up will remember it? You are being dishonest, which is to be
expected from a Christian, I suppose. After all, you Christians jailed
Galileo for trying to spread the truth. Christian hatred for the truth
never ceases to amaze me.
Here it is again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Did you miss it? Here, I'll give it to you again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Oh, but look at all that confusing clutter! I'll make it easier:
Leviticus 17:6-11
Too fast for you? Let me slow it down:
L e v i t i c u s 1 7 : 6 - 1 1
And now I suppose you will deny that the post exists, because you want
to trick any readers who haven't been following along, because you are
an evil, ignorant, dishonest *****. So, here's a link to the archived
post on Google:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6bd3c70a.0403281243.52ae2e3%40posting.google.com
And just so you can't claim forgery, here's the version complete with
headers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6bd3c70a.0403281243.52ae2e3%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
Oh, but did you want the *text* of a verse, Mister
I-don't-know-what-the-Bible-says?
Lev.17:11
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you
upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the
blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."
It's right there: the blood maketh an atonement for the soul. It
maketh the atonement. It doth. God said it doth. Notice the word "I"
in there? It refers to God, the person speaking the passage. So God
said it. Are you going to once again deny something that God has said,
thus earning yourself the place in Hell reserved for liars?
Oh, but I forgot: some Christians think the King James Version is not
the Word of God at all. Well then, here's a few more versions:
"...for it is the blood that maketh atonement by reason of the life."
American Standard Bible
"...for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life."
Revised Standard Version
"...for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement."
NEW American Standard Bible
"...et sanguis pro animae piaculo sit."
Latin Vulgate
I studied Latin in high school, so just in case you haven't:
"...et sanguis pro animae piaculo sit."
(and) (blood) (by/through/with) (life/soul) (atonement) (makes/does)
Get the picture yet?
(In case you haven't noticed, I find the constant need to teach
Christians what the Bible says somewhat... annoying. You would think
some Christians would have read the Bible by now.)
Hebrews 10:1 reasonably suggests that animal sacrifices
were intended to foreshadow Jesus' ultimate sacrifice.
And Leviticus literally, blatantly, bluntly, unmistakably, says that
animal blood atones for sins. Deny it and you will burn in Hell for
contradicting your Lord and Savior, you lying sack of *****.
--Billy
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| User: "Jim07D4" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists,Just Curious |
31 Mar 2004 06:48:05 PM |
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(Billy Goat) said:
idontreply@toemail.com (mclark) wrote in message news:<1gbgy4h.1bv7e7boncedcN%idontreply@toemail.com>...
Billy Goat < > wrote:
(Billy Goat) wrote in message
news:<6bd3c70a.0403282041.325de1fa@posting.google.com>... >
Hebrews 10 doesn't merely say that animal sacrifices are no longer
required; it says animal sacrifices were *never* able to atone for sin
in the first place.
Yet Leviticus insists that animal sacrifices do the job just fine.
Who's lying? God, or God?
--Billy
Well? I'm waiting. If animal sacrifices don't pay for sins (as Hebrews
says), why did God say they were necessary to pay for sins (as
Leviticus says)?
If you want me to understand God's Word and be saved, then help me
understand.
--Billy
Why didn't you reference specific Leviticus verses?
Please SHOW ME the
Leviticus verses which reasonably indicate the animal sacrifices do the
job just fine.
I did. Did you forget? Or are you hoping that nobody else who has been
keeping up will remember it? You are being dishonest, which is to be
expected from a Christian, I suppose. After all, you Christians jailed
Galileo for trying to spread the truth. Christian hatred for the truth
never ceases to amaze me.
Here it is again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Did you miss it? Here, I'll give it to you again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Oh, but look at all that confusing clutter! I'll make it easier:
Leviticus 17:6-11
Too fast for you? Let me slow it down:
L e v i t i c u s 1 7 : 6 - 1 1
And now I suppose you will deny that the post exists, because you want
to trick any readers who haven't been following along, because you are
an evil, ignorant, dishonest *****. So, here's a link to the archived
post on Google:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6bd3c70a.0403281243.52ae2e3%40posting.google.com
And just so you can't claim forgery, here's the version complete with
headers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6bd3c70a.0403281243.52ae2e3%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
Oh, but did you want the *text* of a verse, Mister
I-don't-know-what-the-Bible-says?
Lev.17:11
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you
upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the
blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."
It's right there: the blood maketh an atonement for the soul. It
maketh the atonement. It doth. God said it doth. Notice the word "I"
in there? It refers to God, the person speaking the passage. So God
said it. Are you going to once again deny something that God has said,
thus earning yourself the place in Hell reserved for liars?
Oh, but I forgot: some Christians think the King James Version is not
the Word of God at all. Well then, here's a few more versions:
"...for it is the blood that maketh atonement by reason of the life."
American Standard Bible
"...for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life."
Revised Standard Version
"...for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement."
NEW American Standard Bible
"...et sanguis pro animae piaculo sit."
Latin Vulgate
I studied Latin in high school, so just in case you haven't:
"...et sanguis pro animae piaculo sit."
(and) (blood) (by/through/with) (life/soul) (atonement) (makes/does)
Get the picture yet?
(In case you haven't noticed, I find the constant need to teach
Christians what the Bible says somewhat... annoying. You would think
some Christians would have read the Bible by now.)
Hebrews 10:1 reasonably suggests that animal sacrifices
were intended to foreshadow Jesus' ultimate sacrifice.
And Leviticus literally, blatantly, bluntly, unmistakably, says that
animal blood atones for sins. Deny it and you will burn in Hell for
contradicting your Lord and Savior, you lying sack of *****.
--Billy
Many years ago my aunt slit her wrists and walked into a lake to die.
When they searched her belongings, they found her Bible with this
verse circled. So she took it even more personally.
Jim07D4
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| User: "Billy Goat" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists,Just Curious |
02 Apr 2004 07:57:46 PM |
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Jim07D4 <Jim07D4@nospam.net> wrote in message news:<u1qm60t2i5vd705k61pt1mlc38l6b2as2h@4ax.com>...
ericvonl@my-deja.com (Billy Goat) said:
And Leviticus literally, blatantly, bluntly, unmistakably, says that
animal blood atones for sins. Deny it and you will burn in Hell for
contradicting your Lord and Savior, you lying sack of *****.
--Billy
Many years ago my aunt slit her wrists and walked into a lake to die.
When they searched her belongings, they found her Bible with this
verse circled. So she took it even more personally.
Jim07D4
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope my post didn't offend you.
--Billy
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| User: "Jim07D4" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists,Just Curious |
02 Apr 2004 08:05:47 PM |
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(Billy Goat) said:
Jim07D4 <Jim07D4@nospam.net> wrote in message news:<u1qm60t2i5vd705k61pt1mlc38l6b2as2h@4ax.com>...
(Billy Goat) said:
And Leviticus literally, blatantly, bluntly, unmistakably, says that
animal blood atones for sins. Deny it and you will burn in Hell for
contradicting your Lord and Savior, you lying sack of *****.
--Billy
Many years ago my aunt slit her wrists and walked into a lake to die.
When they searched her belongings, they found her Bible with this
verse circled. So she took it even more personally.
Jim07D4
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope my post didn't offend you.
Not at all. I was just reminded by it, of a reason I became wary of
"faith". In fact, I hope your post and my reply are useful to others.
Jim07D4
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| User: "mclark" |
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01 Apr 2004 10:35:39 AM |
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Jim07D4 <Jim07D4@nospam.net> wrote:
ericvonl@my-deja.com (Billy Goat) said:
idontreply@toemail.com (mclark) wrote in message
news:<1gbgy4h.1bv7e7boncedcN%idontreply@toemail.com>... > Billy Goat
<ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
ericvonl@my-deja.com (Billy Goat) wrote in message
news:<6bd3c70a.0403282041.325de1fa@posting.google.com>... >
Hebrews 10 doesn't merely say that animal sacrifices are no longer
required; it says animal sacrifices were *never* able to atone for sin
in the first place.
Hebrews 4:11 says it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to
take away sins.
Yet Leviticus insists that animal sacrifices do the job just fine.
Who's lying? God, or God?
--Billy
Well? I'm waiting. If animal sacrifices don't pay for sins (as Hebrews
says), why did God say they were necessary to pay for sins (as
Leviticus says)?
If you want me to understand God's Word and be saved, then help me
understand.
--Billy
Why didn't you reference specific Leviticus verses?
Please SHOW ME the
Leviticus verses which reasonably indicate the animal sacrifices do the
job just fine.
I did. Did you forget? Or are you hoping that nobody else who has been
keeping up will remember it? You are being dishonest, which is to be
expected from a Christian, I suppose. After all, you Christians jailed
Galileo for trying to spread the truth. Christian hatred for the truth
never ceases to amaze me.
Here it is again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Did you miss it? Here, I'll give it to you again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Oh, but look at all that confusing clutter! I'll make it easier:
Leviticus 17:6-11
Too fast for you? Let me slow it down:
L e v i t i c u s 1 7 : 6 - 1 1
Not only does Leviticus 17:6-11 not mention anything about permanent
atonement but Hebrews 10:1-2 emphasizes that Levitical animal sacrifice
atonement wasn't permanent.
M. Clark
And now I suppose you will deny that the post exists, because you want
to trick any readers who haven't been following along, because you are
an evil, ignorant, dishonest *****. So, here's a link to the archived
post on Google:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6bd3c70a.0403281243.52ae2e3%40postin
g.google.com
And just so you can't claim forgery, here's the version complete with
headers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6bd3c70a.0403281243.52ae2e3%40postin
g.google.com&output=gplain
Oh, but did you want the *text* of a verse, Mister
I-don't-know-what-the-Bible-says?
Lev.17:11
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you
upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the
blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."
It's right there: the blood maketh an atonement for the soul. It
maketh the atonement. It doth. God said it doth. Notice the word "I"
in there? It refers to God, the person speaking the passage. So God
said it. Are you going to once again deny something that God has said,
thus earning yourself the place in Hell reserved for liars?
Oh, but I forgot: some Christians think the King James Version is not
the Word of God at all. Well then, here's a few more versions:
"...for it is the blood that maketh atonement by reason of the life."
American Standard Bible
"...for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life."
Revised Standard Version
"...for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement."
NEW American Standard Bible
"...et sanguis pro animae piaculo sit."
Latin Vulgate
I studied Latin in high school, so just in case you haven't:
"...et sanguis pro animae piaculo sit."
(and) (blood) (by/through/with) (life/soul) (atonement) (makes/does)
Get the picture yet?
(In case you haven't noticed, I find the constant need to teach
Christians what the Bible says somewhat... annoying. You would think
some Christians would have read the Bible by now.)
Hebrews 10:1 reasonably suggests that animal sacrifices
were intended to foreshadow Jesus' ultimate sacrifice.
And Leviticus literally, blatantly, bluntly, unmistakably, says that
animal blood atones for sins. Deny it and you will burn in Hell for
contradicting your Lord and Savior, you lying sack of *****.
--Billy
Many years ago my aunt slit her wrists and walked into a lake to die.
When they searched her belongings, they found her Bible with this
verse circled. So she took it even more personally.
Jim07D4
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| User: "Jim07D4" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists,Just Curious |
01 Apr 2004 12:11:35 PM |
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(mclark) said:
Jim07D4 <Jim07D4@nospam.net> wrote:
ericvonl@my-deja.com (Billy Goat) said:
(mclark) wrote in message
news:<1gbgy4h.1bv7e7boncedcN%>... > Billy Goat
<ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
ericvonl@my-deja.com (Billy Goat) wrote in message
news:<6bd3c70a.0403282041.325de1fa@posting.google.com>... >
Hebrews 10 doesn't merely say that animal sacrifices are no longer
required; it says animal sacrifices were *never* able to atone for sin
in the first place.
Hebrews 4:11 says it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to
take away sins.
I don't care about all that, I only related, in reply to Billy G, that
my aunt took the passage even more personally than what seems
intended.
Yet Leviticus insists that animal sacrifices do the job just fine.
Who's lying? God, or God?
--Billy
Well? I'm waiting. If animal sacrifices don't pay for sins (as Hebrews
says), why did God say they were necessary to pay for sins (as
Leviticus says)?
If you want me to understand God's Word and be saved, then help me
understand.
--Billy
Why didn't you reference specific Leviticus verses?
Please SHOW ME the
Leviticus verses which reasonably indicate the animal sacrifices do the
job just fine.
I did. Did you forget? Or are you hoping that nobody else who has been
keeping up will remember it? You are being dishonest, which is to be
expected from a Christian, I suppose. After all, you Christians jailed
Galileo for trying to spread the truth. Christian hatred for the truth
never ceases to amaze me.
Here it is again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Did you miss it? Here, I'll give it to you again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Oh, but look at all that confusing clutter! I'll make it easier:
Leviticus 17:6-11
Too fast for you? Let me slow it down:
L e v i t i c u s 1 7 : 6 - 1 1
Not only does Leviticus 17:6-11 not mention anything about permanent
atonement but Hebrews 10:1-2 emphasizes that Levitical animal sacrifice
atonement wasn't permanent.
M. Clark
And now I suppose you will deny that the post exists, because you want
to trick any readers who haven't been following along, because you are
an evil, ignorant, dishonest *****. So, here's a link to the archived
post on Google:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6bd3c70a.0403281243.52ae2e3%40postin
g.google.com
And just so you can't claim forgery, here's the version complete with
headers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6bd3c70a.0403281243.52ae2e3%40postin
g.google.com&output=gplain
Oh, but did you want the *text* of a verse, Mister
I-don't-know-what-the-Bible-says?
Lev.17:11
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you
upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the
blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."
It's right there: the blood maketh an atonement for the soul. It
maketh the atonement. It doth. God said it doth. Notice the word "I"
in there? It refers to God, the person speaking the passage. So God
said it. Are you going to once again deny something that God has said,
thus earning yourself the place in Hell reserved for liars?
Oh, but I forgot: some Christians think the King James Version is not
the Word of God at all. Well then, here's a few more versions:
"...for it is the blood that maketh atonement by reason of the life."
American Standard Bible
"...for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life."
Revised Standard Version
"...for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement."
NEW American Standard Bible
"...et sanguis pro animae piaculo sit."
Latin Vulgate
I studied Latin in high school, so just in case you haven't:
"...et sanguis pro animae piaculo sit."
(and) (blood) (by/through/with) (life/soul) (atonement) (makes/does)
Get the picture yet?
(In case you haven't noticed, I find the constant need to teach
Christians what the Bible says somewhat... annoying. You would think
some Christians would have read the Bible by now.)
Hebrews 10:1 reasonably suggests that animal sacrifices
were intended to foreshadow Jesus' ultimate sacrifice.
And Leviticus literally, blatantly, bluntly, unmistakably, says that
animal blood atones for sins. Deny it and you will burn in Hell for
contradicting your Lord and Savior, you lying sack of *****.
--Billy
Many years ago my aunt slit her wrists and walked into a lake to die.
When they searched her belongings, they found her Bible with this
verse circled. So she took it even more personally.
Jim07D4
Jim07D4
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| User: "Grace Alavaraez" |
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02 Apr 2004 04:10:27 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:35:39 +0000 (UTC),
(mclark) wrote:
Hebrews 4:11 says it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to
take away sins.
4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man
fall after the same example of unbelief.
So, tell me -- do you not post the texts of the verses because you
know you're going to lie about them, or because you have a compulsion
to lie about them?
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| User: "mclark" |
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01 Apr 2004 10:35:30 AM |
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Billy Goat <> wrote:
idontreply@toemail.com (mclark) wrote in message
news:<1gbgy4h.1bv7e7boncedcN%idontreply@toemail.com>... > Billy Goat
< > wrote: > > > (Billy Goat)
wrote in message > >
news:<6bd3c70a.0403282041.325de1fa@posting.google.com>... >
Hebrews 10 doesn't merely say that animal sacrifices are no longer
required; it says animal sacrifices were *never* able to atone for sin
in the first place.
Yet Leviticus insists that animal sacrifices do the job just fine.
Who's lying? God, or God?
--Billy
Well? I'm waiting. If animal sacrifices don't pay for sins (as Hebrews
says), why did God say they were necessary to pay for sins (as
Leviticus says)?
If you want me to understand God's Word and be saved, then help me
understand.
--Billy
Why didn't you reference specific Leviticus verses?
Please SHOW ME the
Leviticus verses which reasonably indicate the animal sacrifices do the
job just fine.
I did. Did you forget? Or are you hoping that nobody else who has been
keeping up will remember it? You are being dishonest, which is to be
expected from a Christian, I suppose. After all, you Christians jailed
Galileo for trying to spread the truth. Christian hatred for the truth
never ceases to amaze me.
Here it is again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Did you miss it? Here, I'll give it to you again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Oh, but look at all that confusing clutter! I'll make it easier:
Leviticus 17:6-11
Too fast for you? Let me slow it down:
L e v i t i c u s 1 7 : 6 - 1 1
Leviticus 17:6-11 doesn't indicate anything about taking away sins
permanently like Hebrews 10:1-2 does.
M. Clark
And now I suppose you will deny that the post exists, because you want
to trick any readers who haven't been following along, because you are
an evil, ignorant, dishonest *****. So, here's a link to the archived
post on Google:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6bd3c70a.0403281243.52ae2e3%40posting
.google.com
[snip]
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| User: "Grace Alavaraez" |
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02 Apr 2004 04:09:04 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:35:30 +0000 (UTC),
(mclark) wrote:
Billy Goat < > wrote:
(mclark) wrote in message
news:<1gbgy4h.1bv7e7boncedcN%>... > Billy Goat
<> wrote: > > > (Billy Goat)
wrote in message > >
news:<6bd3c70a.0403282041.325de1fa@posting.google.com>... >
Hebrews 10 doesn't merely say that animal sacrifices are no longer
required; it says animal sacrifices were *never* able to atone for sin
in the first place.
Yet Leviticus insists that animal sacrifices do the job just fine.
Who's lying? God, or God?
--Billy
Well? I'm waiting. If animal sacrifices don't pay for sins (as Hebrews
says), why did God say they were necessary to pay for sins (as
Leviticus says)?
If you want me to understand God's Word and be saved, then help me
understand.
--Billy
Why didn't you reference specific Leviticus verses?
Please SHOW ME the
Leviticus verses which reasonably indicate the animal sacrifices do the
job just fine.
I did. Did you forget? Or are you hoping that nobody else who has been
keeping up will remember it? You are being dishonest, which is to be
expected from a Christian, I suppose. After all, you Christians jailed
Galileo for trying to spread the truth. Christian hatred for the truth
never ceases to amaze me.
Here it is again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Did you miss it? Here, I'll give it to you again:
So, Leviticus 17:6-11 is a lie?
Oh, but look at all that confusing clutter! I'll make it easier:
Leviticus 17:6-11
Too fast for you? Let me slow it down:
L e v i t i c u s 1 7 : 6 - 1 1
Leviticus 17:6-11 doesn't indicate anything about taking away sins
permanently like Hebrews 10:1-2 does.
M. Clark
10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the
very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they
offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that
the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of
sins.
The Hebrews verse clearly discusses how the law (which is good) does
not accept ritual sacrifices as atonement or penalty.
Oops. You lied again.
Now, for your lie about Leviticus:
17:6 And the priest shall sprinkle the blood upon the altar of the
LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and burn the
fat for a sweet savour unto the LORD.
17:7 And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after
whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto
them throughout their generations.
17:8 And thou shalt say unto them, Whatsoever man there be of the
house of Israel, or of the strangers which sojourn among you, that
offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice, 17:9 And bringeth it not unto
the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer it unto the
LORD; even that man shall be cut off from among his people.
17:10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the
strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I
will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will
cut him off from among his people.
17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it
to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is
the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
"Atonement of your souls" sounds permanent to me.
Now answer the question:
Are these Leviticus verses a lie?
Yes or no will do nicely.
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