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"Terry Cross" |
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17 May 2006 12:06:45 PM |
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Re: Bad Old Jehovah vs. the Loving Jesus |
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On 17-May-2006, Hieron <george@msn.de> wrote:
Terry Cross wrote:
That is the teaching of King Soloman and David, but not the teaching of
Jesus. That is another difference - Jesus taught us to love God, not
to fear him.
Deut 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD; Deut 6:5 and you
shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul,
and with all your might.
Ignorance again? The fear of God is deep reverence, not the state of being
scared.
Again, they're the ones with all the fear.
The Torah reads like a litany of child-rearing: the parent punishing the
child when it does wrong, BUT, with love, and patience. always allowing the child
to learn, repent and grow.
Susan
Job might have a counter-argument to that statement. Oh wait, others
have lined up with their stories, too. I see 100,000 Egyptian
children, Amaleks, Midianites, Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites,
Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites who also disagree. And
look, there are tens of thousands of Benjaminites. And there are the
thousands of Gentile women and children driven off to starve in the
wilderness by the Godly Ezra.
A river of humanity become a river of blood and gore.
Whatever "love and patience" Jehovah was using, it is not the same as
we understand in plain English. And I hope never to be the recipient
of such "love and patience."
Quite frankly, I would rather be raped by the Huns.
TCross
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17 May 2006 02:44:09 PM |
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Terry Cross wrote:
That is the teaching of King Soloman and David, but not the teaching of
Jesus. That is another difference - Jesus taught us to love God, not
to fear him.
On 17-May-2006, Hieron <george@msn.de>wrote:
Deut 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD; Deut 6:5 and you
shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul,
and with all your might.
Ignorance again? The fear of God is deep reverence, not the state of being
scared.
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
Again, they're the ones with all the fear.
The Torah reads like a litany of child-rearing: the parent punishing the
child when it does wrong, BUT, with love, and patience. always allowing the child
to learn, repent and grow.
Susan
Terry Cross wrote:
Job might have a counter-argument to that statement.
Job might, if he weren't part of an allegory.
Oh wait, others
have lined up with their stories, too. I see 100,000 Egyptian
children, Amaleks, Midianites, Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites,
Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites who also disagree.
And of course TCross can produce some of these "stories" she claims
were "lined up" for her to see - particularly any "stories"
related by the Amalekites, Girgashites, Perizzites, Hivites, and
Jebusites - ESPECIALLY as related by the Jebusites.
"Three thousand of their combat troops I felled with weapons.
Many of the captives taken from them I burned in fire. Many I took
alive, from some I cut off their hands to the wrist, from others I cut
off their noses, ears and fingers. I put out the eyes of many of their
soliders, I burnt their young men and women to death." Ashurnasirpal II
"I flayed the nobles and spread their skins out on the piles [of
corpses in front of the city gates]. I flayed many within my land and
spread their skins out on the walls." Sargon II
"Forty-six of his strong walled towns and innumerable smaller
villages in their neighbourhoods I besieged and conquered by stamping
down earthramps and by bringing up battering rams, by the assault of
infantry...I made to come out of them 200,150 people, young and
old, male and female, innumerable horses, mules, donkeys, camels,
large and small cattle, and counted them as the spoils of war...I put
watchposts strictly around [his city] and turned back to his disaster
any who went of its gates. His towns which I despoiled I cut off from
his land...and so reduced his land." Sennacherib
Oh wait, those were all Assyrians.
"Six thousand fighting-men were slaughtered within the city's
fortifications. It was a sad spectacle that the furious king then
provided for the victors: two thousand Tyrians, who had survived the
rage of the tiring Macedonians, now hung nailed to crosses all along
the huge expanse of the beach." Curtius, Alexander, 4.4.21
Alexander is probably irrelevant.
There's no point in bringing up Caesar's slaughter of a million
Gauls, and the lines: "No one shall take his life from me. I shall flay
the skin from his living body and wear it about me like a cloak" from a
Saturday morning kiddy cartoon c 1978 are also probably irrelevant.
And look, there are tens of thousands of Benjaminites.
Tens of thousands of Benjaminites? Where?
And there are the
thousands of Gentile women and children driven off to starve in the
wilderness by the Godly Ezra.
Really?
A river of humanity become a river of blood and gore.
And TCross sees all this, and naturally can produce a few of the
"stories" about it - particularly those stories by Amalekites,
Girgashites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites - ESPECIALLY the
Jebusites (seen by TCross, perhaps, in the Jebusite Post
International?).
Whatever "love and patience" Jehovah was using, it is not the same as
we understand in plain English. And I hope never to be the recipient
of such "love and patience."
Quite frankly, I would rather be raped by the Huns.
TCross
Certainly a desperate sone Yisrael like TCross would like to be raped
by Huns. The Huns, however, might hold different views -- unless they
were very, very drunk.
Deborah
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17 May 2006 04:41:59 PM |
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wrote:
On 17-May-2006, Hieron <george@msn.de>wrote:
Deut 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD; Deut 6:5 and you
shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul,
and with all your might.
Ignorance again? The fear of God is deep reverence, not the state of being
scared.
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
Again, they're the ones with all the fear.
The Torah reads like a litany of child-rearing: the parent punishing the
child when it does wrong, BUT, with love, and patience. always allowing the child
to learn, repent and grow.
Susan
Terry Cross wrote:
Job might have a counter-argument to that statement.
Job might, if he weren't part of an allegory.
I see. Just poetry. Not a true story. And you know that because --
because it is convenient to say so now, though later might you might
claim it IS true.
Oh wait, others
have lined up with their stories, too. I see 100,000 Egyptian
children, Amaleks, Midianites, Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites,
Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites who also disagree.
And of course TCross can produce some of these "stories" she claims
were "lined up" for her to see - particularly any "stories"
related by the Amalekites, Girgashites, Perizzites, Hivites, and
Jebusites - ESPECIALLY as related by the Jebusites.
# Deuteronomy 7:1
When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest
to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the
Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites,
and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations
greater and mightier than thou;
# Deuteronomy 20:17
But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the
Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
# Joshua 3:10
And Joshua said, Hereby ye shall know that the living God is among you,
and that he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites,
and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the
Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites.
# Joshua 12:8
In the mountains, and in the valleys, and in the plains, and in the
springs, and in the wilderness, and in the south country; the Hittites,
the Amorites, and the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the
Jebusites:
# 1 Chronicles 11:5-7 (King James Version)
5 And the inhabitants of Jebus said to David, Thou shalt not come
hither. Nevertheless David took the castle of Zion, which is the city
of David.
6 And David said, Whosoever smiteth the Jebusites first shall be chief
and captain. So Joab the son of Zeruiah went first up, and was chief.
7 And David dwelt in the castle; therefore they called it the city of
David.
After which, Deborah digs up a dozen examples from ancient literature
to show that Jehovah's personal people were, at least, no WORSE than
all the other nations around them, whom they called Gentiles, pagans,
pigs, and other fine things.
Alexander is probably irrelevant.
There's no point in bringing up Caesar's slaughter of a million
Gauls, and the lines: "No one shall take his life from me. I shall flay
the skin from his living body and wear it about me like a cloak" from a
Saturday morning kiddy cartoon c 1978 are also probably irrelevant.
And look, there are tens of thousands of Benjaminites.
Tens of thousands of Benjaminites? Where?
Judges 20:28, 35-37, 46-48
28. And Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, stood
before it in those days,) saying, Shall I yet again go out to battle
against the children of Benjamin my brother, or shall I cease? And the
LORD said, Go up; for to morrow I will deliver them into thine hand.
...
35. And the LORD smote Benjamin before Israel: and the children
of Israel destroyed of the Benjamites that day twenty and five thousand
and an hundred men: all these drew the sword.
36. So the children of Benjamin saw that they were smitten: for
the men of Israel gave place to the Benjamites, because they trusted
unto the liers in wait which they had set beside Gibeah.
37. And the liers in wait hasted, and rushed upon Gibeah; and the
liers in wait drew themselves along, and smote all the city with the
edge of the sword.
...
46. So that all which fell that day of Benjamin were twenty and
five thousand men that drew the sword; all these were men of valour.
47. But six hundred men turned and fled to the wilderness unto
the rock Rimmon, and abode in the rock Rimmon four months.
48. And the men of Israel turned again upon the children of
Benjamin, and smote them with the edge of the sword, as well the men of
every city, as the beast, and all that came to hand: also they set on
fire all the cities that they came to.
Women, children, young, and old. All to the sword and the fire - at
the urging of Jehovah, of course.
And there are the
thousands of Gentile women and children driven off to starve in the
wilderness by the Godly Ezra.
Ezra 10 (King James Version)
10 And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have
transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of
Israel.
11 Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers,
and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the
land, and from the strange wives.
12 Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As
thou hast said, so must we do.
13 But the people are many, and it is a time of much rain, and we are
not able to stand without, neither is this a work of one day or two:
for we are many that have transgressed in this thing.
14 Let now our rulers of all the congregation stand, and let all them
which have taken strange wives in our cities come at appointed times,
and with them the elders of every city, and the judges thereof, until
the fierce wrath of our God for this matter be turned from us.
15 Only Jonathan the son of Asahel and Jahaziah the son of Tikvah were
employed about this matter: and Meshullam and Shabbethai the Levite
helped them.
16 And the children of the captivity did so. And Ezra the priest, with
certain chief of the fathers, after the house of their fathers, and all
of them by their names, were separated, and sat down in the first day
of the tenth month to examine the matter.
A river of humanity become a river of blood and gore.
And TCross sees all this, and naturally can produce a few of the
"stories" about it - particularly those stories by Amalekites,
Girgashites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites - ESPECIALLY the
Jebusites (seen by TCross, perhaps, in the Jebusite Post
International?).
Whatever "love and patience" Jehovah was using, it is not the same as
we understand in plain English. And I hope never to be the recipient
of such "love and patience."
Quite frankly, I would rather be raped by the Huns.
TCross
Certainly a desperate sone Yisrael like TCross would like to be raped
by Huns.
Certainly? And so it goes with "you people" (to use your phrase).
When you get into a theological discussion, if you cannot bully the
other into agreement, you get nasty and personally insulting.
"In many forms of psychosis, the patient does not consider issues. It
matters not the subject, there is only one issue for every one: are you
with the patient or against him/her? That is the only question of
interest to the patient. Opinions and issues are merely the tokens in
the game by which those goals are reached." -- Benjamin J. Sadock,
Virginia A. Sadock, "Kaplan and Sadock's Synopsis of Psychiatry:
Behavioral Sciences/Clinical Psychiatry"
TCross
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18 May 2006 04:35:29 PM |
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On 17-May-2006, Hieron <george@msn.de>wrote:
Deut 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD; Deut 6:5 and you
shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul,
and with all your might.
Ignorance again? The fear of God is deep reverence, not the state of being
scared.
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
Again, they're the ones with all the fear.
The Torah reads like a litany of child-rearing: the parent punishing the
child when it does wrong, BUT, with love, and patience. always allowing the child
to learn, repent and grow.
Susan
Terry Cross wrote:
Job might have a counter-argument to that statement.
Job might, if he weren't part of an allegory.
Terry Cross wrote:
I see. Just poetry. Not a true story. And you know that because --
because it is convenient to say so now, though later might you might
claim it IS true.
I don't share your penchant for insisting that fairy stories are
fact, although allegories and folktales like Job certainly contain
measures of truth, after their kind.
Oh wait, others
have lined up with their stories, too. I see 100,000 Egyptian
children, Amaleks, Midianites, Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites,
Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites who also disagree.
And of course TCross can produce some of these "stories" she claims
were "lined up" for her to see - particularly any "stories"
related by the Amalekites, Girgashites, Perizzites, Hivites, and
Jebusites - ESPECIALLY as related by the Jebusites.
# Deuteronomy 7:1
When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest
to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the
Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites,
and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations
greater and mightier than thou;
# Deuteronomy 20:17
But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the
Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
# Joshua 3:10
And Joshua said, Hereby ye shall know that the living God is among you,
and that he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites,
and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the
Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites.
# Joshua 12:8
In the mountains, and in the valleys, and in the plains, and in the
springs, and in the wilderness, and in the south country; the Hittites,
the Amorites, and the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the
Jebusites:
# 1 Chronicles 11:5-7 (King James Version)
5 And the inhabitants of Jebus said to David, Thou shalt not come
hither. Nevertheless David took the castle of Zion, which is the city
of David.
6 And David said, Whosoever smiteth the Jebusites first shall be chief
and captain. So Joab the son of Zeruiah went first up, and was chief.
7 And David dwelt in the castle; therefore they called it the city of
David.
After which, Deborah digs up a dozen examples from ancient literature
to show that Jehovah's personal people were, at least, no WORSE than
all the other nations around them, whom they called Gentiles, pagans,
pigs, and other fine things.
Irrelevant digression noted.
Reading comprehension disorder troubling you, or is it cognitive
dissonance? You wrote that you "see 100,000 Egyptian children,
Amaleks, Midianites, Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites,
Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites" who are all "lined up with
their stories". The above is all from the bible, not from any
"stories" of "100,000 Egyptian children, Amaleks, Midianites,
Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and
Jebusites".
And no, what I already, er, "dug up" was what you snipped, rather
than venture a response.
To the point: Where are the "stories" of all those people you claim
you "can see", that is, the stories of "100,000 Egyptian
children, Amaleks, Midianites, Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites,
Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites"? Produce a few of
these "stories" you claim are all "lined up".
Alexander is probably irrelevant.
There's no point in bringing up Caesar's slaughter of a million
Gauls, and the lines: "No one shall take his life from me. I shall flay
the skin from his living body and wear it about me like a cloak" from a
Saturday morning kiddy cartoon c 1978 are also probably irrelevant.
And look, there are tens of thousands of Benjaminites.
Tens of thousands of Benjaminites? Where?
Judges 20:28, 35-37, 46-48
28. And Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, stood
before it in those days,) saying, Shall I yet again go out to battle
against the children of Benjamin my brother, or shall I cease? And the
LORD said, Go up; for to morrow I will deliver them into thine hand.
...
35. And the LORD smote Benjamin before Israel: and the children
of Israel destroyed of the Benjamites that day twenty and five thousand
and an hundred men: all these drew the sword.
36. So the children of Benjamin saw that they were smitten: for
the men of Israel gave place to the Benjamites, because they trusted
unto the liers in wait which they had set beside Gibeah.
37. And the liers in wait hasted, and rushed upon Gibeah; and the
liers in wait drew themselves along, and smote all the city with the
edge of the sword.
...
46. So that all which fell that day of Benjamin were twenty and
five thousand men that drew the sword; all these were men of valour.
47. But six hundred men turned and fled to the wilderness unto
the rock Rimmon, and abode in the rock Rimmon four months.
48. And the men of Israel turned again upon the children of
Benjamin, and smote them with the edge of the sword, as well the men of
every city, as the beast, and all that came to hand: also they set on
fire all the cities that they came to.
Second irrelevant digression noted, along with elided passages. Also
noted is that the foregoing is from the bible, not from any
"stories" of "100,000 Egyptian children, Amaleks, Midianites,
Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and
Jebusites".
Women, children, young, and old. All to the sword and the fire
- at the urging of Jehovah, of course.
Nothing in the quotes above, or in the quotes omitted, indicates it was
done "at the urging of Jehovah". A Gibeah gang took the concubine
of an elderly Ephramite passing through town and gang raped her
"until she died." The Ephramite asked counsel of the chiefs of the
tribes of Israel, who responded that they would "repay Gibeah of
Benjamin for all the outrage that they have done in Israel." The
chiefs sent to the Benjaminites and demanded that they turn over the
rapists "so that we can execute them and rid Isra'el of such evil."
The Benjaminites refused, and gathered for war. The chiefs of Israel
gathered, then went to Bethel and the ark to inquire:" "Who should go
up first to attack the army of Binyamin?" The response was "Judah
first."
Not much urging there.
The army of Israel went out to attack the army of Benjamin. The army of
Benjamin slaughtered the army of Israel; "on that day 22,000 men fell",
and the army of Israel "cried before Adonai until evening". They
inquired: "Should we attack our kinsmen of Binyamin again?" The
response: "Attack them."
Not much urging there, either.
So the army of Israel attacked the army of Benjamin, Benjamin
slaughtered 18,000 men of Israel, and the army of Israel went back up
to Bethel shrine, and "sat there in the presence of Ad0nai" and bawled
all night. "Should we still go up against our kinsmen of Binyamin, or
should we stop?" they asked. The response: "Go up, and tomorrow I'll
hand them over to you."
This "urging" wouldn't have won any cheerleading awards.
Even so, the army of Israel - 400,000 strong, no less - wins the
battle, and celebrates by going back to Bethel and "crying out and
weeping."
Excluding the crying and weeping, it's all typical warfare of the
ancient Middle East. Also typical are the exaggerated numbers.
Alexander couldn't have fielded an army of 400,000, and certainly
Israel didn't.
A cautionary tale, in case you hadn't noticed; probably you hadn't
noticed: "In those days
there was no king in Israel; a man simply did whatever he thought was
right."
Now where's a few of those "stories" you claim you "can see"
-- NOT from the bible -- which were told by "100,000 Egyptian
children, Amaleks, Midianites, Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites,
Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites"? Produce a few of
these "stories" you claim are all "lined up".
And there are the
thousands of Gentile women and children driven off to starve in the
wilderness by the Godly Ezra.
Ezra 10 (King James Version)
Of course it's the Queen James Comic Book Version. What else?
10 And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have
transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of
Israel.
11 Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers,
and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the
land, and from the strange wives.
12 Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As
thou hast said, so must we do.
13 But the people are many, and it is a time of much rain, and we are
not able to stand without, neither is this a work of one day or two:
for we are many that have transgressed in this thing.
14 Let now our rulers of all the congregation stand, and let all them
which have taken strange wives in our cities come at appointed times,
and with them the elders of every city, and the judges thereof, until
the fierce wrath of our God for this matter be turned from us.
15 Only Jonathan the son of Asahel and Jahaziah the son of Tikvah were
employed about this matter: and Meshullam and Shabbethai the Levite
helped them.
16 And the children of the captivity did so. And Ezra the priest, with
certain chief of the fathers, after the house of their fathers, and all
of them by their names, were separated, and sat down in the first day
of the tenth month to examine the matter.
Third irrelevant digression noted. Also noted: nothing in the foregoing
substantiates your claim of "thousands of Gentile women and children
driven off to starve in the
wilderness by the Godly Ezra."
Again, those passages are all from the bible. Where are the
"stories" you claim you "can see" as told by "Egyptian
children, Amaleks, Midianites, Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites,
Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites"?
A river of humanity become a river of blood and gore.
And TCross sees all this, and naturally can produce a few of the
"stories" about it - particularly those stories by Amalekites,
Girgashites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites - ESPECIALLY the
Jebusites (seen by TCross, perhaps, in the Jebusite Post
International?).
What, no irrelevant digression?
Whatever "love and patience" Jehovah was using, it is not the same as
we understand in plain English. And I hope never to be the recipient
of such "love and patience."
Quite frankly, I would rather be raped by the Huns.
TCross
Certainly a desperate sone Yisrael like TCross would like to be raped
by Huns.
Certainly? And so it goes with "you people" (to use your phrase).
When you get into a theological discussion, if you cannot bully the
other into agreement, you get nasty and personally insulting.
What "theological discussion"? You claimed you "can see" lots
of peoples all "lined up with their stories". So, where are the
"stories" of all those people you claim you "can see"-- that
is, the stories of "100,000 Egyptian children, Amaleks, Midianites,
Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and
Jebusites"? Produce a few of these "stories" you claim are all
"lined up".
"In many forms of psychosis, the patient does not consider issues. It
matters not the subject, there is only one issue for every one: are you
with the patient or against him/her? That is the only question of
interest to the patient. Opinions and issues are merely the tokens in
the game by which those goals are reached." -- Benjamin J. Sadock,
Virginia A. Sadock, "Kaplan and Sadock's Synopsis of Psychiatry:
Behavioral Sciences/Clinical Psychiatry"
TCross
Is this irrelevant digression your way of saying that you can NOT
produce any of those "stories" you claim you "can see" --
stories of "100,000 Egyptian children, Amaleks, Midianites, Hittites,
Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and
Jebusites", which, you claimed, were just "all lined up"?
Or is it an explanation of why you are incapable of addressing the
issues which you have raised?
Does this mean you LIED? You have NO "stories" from all those
"100,000 Egyptian children, Amaleks, Midianites, Hittites,
Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and
Jebusites" which you claimed you "can see"? You LIED?
I'm shocked, shocked.
Deborah
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19 May 2006 01:51:41 AM |
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<dsharavi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1147988129.528669.221570@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I don't share your penchant for insisting that fairy stories are
fact,
BWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
What about the holohoax and "god gave it to us", just for starters, you
fucking idiot?
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17 May 2006 03:44:19 PM |
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Jesus as the Son of Man portrayed in Revelations was like the
threatning with me or be damned and be d forever Jehovah.
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| Title: Re: Bad Old Jehovah vs. the Loving Jesus |
17 May 2006 11:31:52 PM |
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On 17 May 2006 13:44:19 -0700, wrote:
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Jesus as the Son of Man portrayed in Revelations was like the
threatning with me or be damned and be d forever Jehovah.
What?
Could repeat that, but with some minimal coherence, please.
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Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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| Title: Re: Bad Old Jehovah vs. the Loving Jesus |
18 May 2006 06:59:26 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 17 May 2006 13:44:19 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1147898659.055264.327600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Jesus as the Son of Man portrayed in Revelations was like the
threatning with me or be damned and be d forever Jehovah.
What?
Could repeat that, but with some minimal coherence, please.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. The short answer is that Jesus in the divine Son of Man role created for him after his death threatened like bad old Jehovah. Both said worship me, or Jesus me and my Father. or receive eternal punishment on the soon to occur Day of Judgemnet. So Jesus reinforced Jehovah to gentiles.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Bad Old Jehovah vs. the Loving Jesus |
18 May 2006 08:55:57 PM |
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<> wrote in message
news:1147996766.052482.207380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Michael Gray wrote:
On 17 May 2006 13:44:19 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1147898659.055264.327600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Jesus as the Son of Man portrayed in Revelations was like the
threatning with me or be damned and be d forever Jehovah.
What?
Could repeat that, but with some minimal coherence, please.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
The short answer is that Jesus in the divine Son of Man role created for
him after his death threatened like bad old Jehovah. Both said worship
me, or Jesus me and my Father. or receive eternal punishment on the soon
to occur Day of Judgemnet. So Jesus reinforced Jehovah to gentiles.
Are you absolutely sure that the above was posted by the 'real'
Michael Gray or was somehow mangled before reaching this
newsgroup? Something seems a little 'fishy' here.
Greywolf
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Bad Old Jehovah vs. the Loving Jesus |
19 May 2006 01:59:57 AM |
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Greywolf wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1147996766.052482.207380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Michael Gray wrote:
On 17 May 2006 13:44:19 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1147898659.055264.327600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Jesus as the Son of Man portrayed in Revelations was like the
threatning with me or be damned and be d forever Jehovah.
What?
Could repeat that, but with some minimal coherence, please.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
The short answer is that Jesus in the divine Son of Man role created for
him after his death threatened like bad old Jehovah. Both said worship
me, or Jesus me and my Father. or receive eternal punishment on the soon
to occur Day of Judgemnet. So Jesus reinforced Jehovah to gentiles.
Are you absolutely sure that the above was posted by the 'real'
Michael Gray or was somehow mangled before reaching this
newsgroup? Something seems a little 'fishy' here.
Greywolf
Looks like Jonny's got a little formatting problem. He seems to start
writing immediately after Michael's sig, and the wrap makes it look
like it's part of the original message. Proof once again that gods and
technology should not mix...<g>
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bad Old Jehovah vs. the Loving Jesus |
19 May 2006 03:51:59 AM |
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On Thu, 18 May 2006 20:55:57 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
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< > wrote in message
news:1147996766.052482.207380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Michael Gray wrote:
On 17 May 2006 13:44:19 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1147898659.055264.327600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Jesus as the Son of Man portrayed in Revelations was like the
threatning with me or be damned and be d forever Jehovah.
What?
Could repeat that, but with some minimal coherence, please.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
The short answer is that Jesus in the divine Son of Man role created for
him after his death threatened like bad old Jehovah. Both said worship
me, or Jesus me and my Father. or receive eternal punishment on the soon
to occur Day of Judgemnet. So Jesus reinforced Jehovah to gentiles.
Are you absolutely sure that the above was posted by the 'real'
Michael Gray or was somehow mangled before reaching this
newsgroup? Something seems a little 'fishy' here.
Greywolf
Bits of it were.
When I requested coherence, I got irrational blather pasted directly
after my sig.
A crazy incoherent theist with no skills.
There is a first time for everything! ;)
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Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Bad Old Jehovah vs. the Loving Jesus |
21 May 2006 01:42:32 PM |
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On 18 May 2006 16:59:26 -0700, wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 17 May 2006 13:44:19 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1147898659.055264.327600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Jesus as the Son of Man portrayed in Revelations was like the
threatning with me or be damned and be d forever Jehovah.
What?
Could repeat that, but with some minimal coherence, please.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. The short answer is that Jesus in the divine Son of Man role created for him after his death threatened like bad old Jehovah. Both said worship me, or Jesus me and my Father. or receive eternal punishment on the soon to occur Day of Judgemnet. So Jesus reinforced Jehovah to gentiles.
You forgot to add something of your own.
Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Bad Old Jehovah vs. the Loving Jesus |
18 May 2006 02:14:47 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 17 May 2006 13:44:19 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1147898659.055264.327600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Jesus as the Son of Man portrayed in Revelations was like the
threatning with me or be damned and be d forever Jehovah.
What?
Could repeat that, but with some minimal coherence, please.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Jesus as he lived was a wannabe messiah, a wannabe King of the Jews. Jesus as he was propagandized after he died became the vengeful and divine Son of Man portrayed in the Book of Revelations and the divine and loving Son of God sent by the bad old Jehovah as a loving gift to sinful humans. The book "Jesus Legacy" makes a convincing case for seeing Jesus as a wannabe king to whom the prophecies in Isaiah and Daniel applied. The genologies in the NT attest to Jesus' claims to be the much anticipated Davidic king. The Romans also saw Jesus as a wannabe king as evidenced by the mocking "king of the Jews" sign as the reason for his crucifiction. Josesphus mentions that the principal cause of Roman-Jewish War of 66 was the jewish expectation that one of their countrymen would be king of the world, a king of kings. The Jesus that was propagandized after his death by missionaires was both a loving gift from that bad old Jehovah and the vengeful last days judge that would wreck vengence on people who didn't worship Jehovah and in the Chistian version, His Son, and on Rome the enemy and destroyer of Israel and the persecuter of Cristians and other messianics.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bad Old Jehovah vs. the Loving Jesus |
18 May 2006 09:07:09 PM |
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On 18 May 2006 12:14:47 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1147979687.196661.149290@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 17 May 2006 13:44:19 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1147898659.055264.327600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Jesus as the Son of Man portrayed in Revelations was like the
threatning with me or be damned and be d forever Jehovah.
What?
Could repeat that, but with some minimal coherence, please.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Jesus as he lived was a wannabe messiah, a wannabe King of the Jews. Jesus as he was propagandized after he died became the vengeful and divine Son of Man portrayed in the Book of Revelations and the divine and loving Son of God sent by the bad old Jehovah as a loving gift to sinful humans. The book "Jesus Legacy" makes a convincing case for seeing Jesus as a wannabe king to whom the prophecies in Isaiah and Daniel applied. The genologies in the NT attest to Jesus' claims to be the much anticipated Davidic king. The Romans also saw Jesus as a wannabe king as evidenced by the mocking "king of the Jews" sign as the reason for his crucifiction. Josesphus mentions that the principal cause of Roman-Jewish War of 66 was the jewish expectation that one of their countrymen would be king of the
world,
a king of kings. The Jesus that was propagandized after his death by missionaires was both a loving gift from that bad old Jehovah and the vengeful last days judge that would wreck vengence on people who didn't worship Jehovah and in the Chistian version, His Son, and on Rome the enemy and destroyer of Israel and the persecuter of Cristians and other messianics.
Oh dear, a fucking lunatic...
Bye bye Johnny.
Don't forget to take the medication.
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Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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