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23 Dec 2006 12:06:12 PM |
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Re: Basis of Evolution |
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
news:Xns98A0794D3A5E9doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Andrew
"Pasteur delivered the fatal blow to the doctrine of spontaneous generation,
the theory held for 20 centuries that life could arise spontaneously in organic
materials.. Thanks to Pasteur, it became possible to devise techniques to kill
microbes and to control contamination."
http://www.tiny.cc/mmfER
"If one were to choose among the greatest benefactors of humanity, Louis
Pasteur would certainly rank at the top. He debunked the widely accepted
myth of spontaneous generation, thereby setting the stage for modern biol-
ogy and biochemistry.
http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BC/Louis_Pasteur.html
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| User: "Larry" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
28 Dec 2006 02:30:45 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
news:Xns98A0794D3A5E9doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
You cannot prove a negative Andrew or is that over your head.
Pastor proved that maggots game from flies, not that it was
impossible for life to arise from non life.
Besides people have created living viruses, and I would
not call them Gods.
http://www.sunysb.edu/ovprpub/tsc/polio.html
Larry
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| User: "Someone" |
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28 Dec 2006 07:58:35 PM |
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On 12/28/06 12:30 PM, in article
1167337845.085177.29990@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Larry"
<lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
news:Xns98A0794D3A5E9doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
You cannot prove a negative Andrew or is that over your head.
Pastor proved that maggots game from flies, not that it was
impossible for life to arise from non life.
Besides people have created living viruses, and I would
not call them Gods.
http://www.sunysb.edu/ovprpub/tsc/polio.html
Larry
Interesting article. But the question isn't if you would call those
scientists gods, but whether the viruses (if they were able to think) would.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
28 Dec 2006 08:27:28 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:58:35 -0800, Someone <someone@daiichi.me.as-a.com> wrote:
On 12/28/06 12:30 PM, in article
1167337845.085177.29990@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Larry"
<lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
news:Xns98A0794D3A5E9doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
You cannot prove a negative Andrew or is that over your head.
Pastor proved that maggots game from flies, not that it was
impossible for life to arise from non life.
Besides people have created living viruses, and I would
not call them Gods.
http://www.sunysb.edu/ovprpub/tsc/polio.html
Larry
Interesting article. But the question isn't if you would call those
scientists gods, but whether the viruses (if they were able to think) would.
"If it were able to think": No, it wouldn't.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
29 Dec 2006 01:10:57 AM |
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Someone wrote:
On 12/28/06 12:30 PM, in article
1167337845.085177.29990@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Larry"
<lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
news:Xns98A0794D3A5E9doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
You cannot prove a negative Andrew or is that over your head.
Pastor proved that maggots game from flies, not that it was
impossible for life to arise from non life.
Besides people have created living viruses, and I would
not call them Gods.
http://www.sunysb.edu/ovprpub/tsc/polio.html
Larry
Interesting article. But the question isn't if you would call those
scientists gods, but whether the viruses (if they were able to think) would.
The posters statment was, "Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input."
I assme that super intelligent input meant God. Either the
statment needs to be altered or We are indeed God's.
Larry
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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23 Dec 2006 07:47:13 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:06:12 GMT, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
news:Xns98A0794D3A5E9doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation
Has nothing to do with abiogenesis.
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
So this super intelligent input is alive, I take it.
How did that life come to be? Oh, remember: "Life can never
arise from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input".
In other words: you've fallen into an infinite regress of your
own making, idiot.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "johac" |
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24 Dec 2006 01:25:48 AM |
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In article <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
news:Xns98A0794D3A5E9doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
If you had read and understood Pasteur's experiments, you would know
that what they showed quite elegantly was the existence of airborne
microorganisms. They had nothing to do with the origin of life
(abiogenesis) on primitive Earth.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
23 Dec 2006 01:30:22 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:06:12 GMT, in alt.atheism , "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> in
<oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
news:Xns98A0794D3A5E9doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent input?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Andrew" |
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23 Dec 2006 05:27:40 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
Matt Silberstein
Andrew
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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24 Dec 2006 01:51:21 PM |
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"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:MXijh.2501$pQ3.1656@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
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"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
You.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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27 Dec 2006 05:22:18 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
What happens when you eat?
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| User: "vernon stillhere@anhere" |
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27 Dec 2006 06:43:58 PM |
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"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167261738.538062.56910@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
What happens when you eat?
"INTELLIGENT" design. Amazing.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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27 Dec 2006 11:51:33 PM |
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vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167261738.538062.56910@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
What happens when you eat?
"INTELLIGENT" design. Amazing.
Assimilation of preexisting complex molecules. The cheeseburger's
amino acids become part of yours. You really are more part cow
than you realize.
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| User: "vernon stillhere@anhere" |
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28 Dec 2006 08:17:37 AM |
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"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167285093.321184.260100@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167261738.538062.56910@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent
input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
What happens when you eat?
"INTELLIGENT" design. Amazing.
Assimilation of preexisting complex molecules. The cheeseburger's
amino acids become part of yours. You really are more part cow
than you realize.
FYI
Humans are genetically more similar to pigs than any other animal.
Maybe YOU are "part" Cow or "part" pig. Speak for yourself.
Even within the realm of "intelligent design" there are those species and
variations within the human species that are uneducated.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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28 Dec 2006 11:34:55 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:17:37 -0700, "vernon" <stillhere@anhere> wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167285093.321184.260100@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167261738.538062.56910@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent
input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
What happens when you eat?
"INTELLIGENT" design. Amazing.
Assimilation of preexisting complex molecules. The cheeseburger's
amino acids become part of yours. You really are more part cow
than you realize.
FYI
Humans are genetically more similar to pigs than any other animal.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!
BULLFROG!!!
Maybe YOU are "part" Cow or "part" pig. Speak for yourself.
Even within the realm of "intelligent design" there are those species and
variations within the human species that are uneducated.
You're living proof of that, Vern.
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| User: "" |
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28 Dec 2006 09:14:43 AM |
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vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167285093.321184.260100@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167261738.538062.56910@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent
input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
What happens when you eat?
"INTELLIGENT" design. Amazing.
Assimilation of preexisting complex molecules. The cheeseburger's
amino acids become part of yours. You really are more part cow
than you realize.
FYI
Humans are genetically more similar to pigs than any other animal.
No, they are not. They are more similar to the two chimp species than
anything else, but gorillas are also quite similar. The creationist
claim about pigs is just plain false.
Maybe YOU are "part" Cow or "part" pig. Speak for yourself.
What do you mean by "part"? I am not "part" anything, I am me. I am
*similar* to my parents, not quite as similar to other people, not
quite as similar to chimps, not quite as similar to monkeys, etc. This
is not a subjective claim or a moral judgement, it is just the way the
world happens to be. You can find that upsetting if you wish, but the
world does not seem to change just because we don't like it.
Even within the realm of "intelligent design" there are those species and
variations within the human species that are uneducated.
Yep, there are. There is a cure for that though.
Direct Evidence for the Homo-Pan Clade
http://www.springerlink.com/content/kl5yfu1eawl95xfh/
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| User: "SeppoP" |
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28 Dec 2006 10:06:15 AM |
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wrote:
vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167285093.321184.260100@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167261738.538062.56910@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent
input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
What happens when you eat?
"INTELLIGENT" design. Amazing.
Assimilation of preexisting complex molecules. The cheeseburger's
amino acids become part of yours. You really are more part cow
than you realize.
FYI
Humans are genetically more similar to pigs than any other animal.
No, they are not. They are more similar to the two chimp species than
anything else, but gorillas are also quite similar. The creationist
claim about pigs is just plain false.
Maybe YOU are "part" Cow or "part" pig. Speak for yourself.
What do you mean by "part"? I am not "part" anything, I am me. I am
*similar* to my parents, not quite as similar to other people, not
quite as similar to chimps, not quite as similar to monkeys, etc. This
is not a subjective claim or a moral judgement, it is just the way the
world happens to be. You can find that upsetting if you wish, but the
world does not seem to change just because we don't like it.
Even within the realm of "intelligent design" there are those species and
variations within the human species that are uneducated.
Yep, there are. There is a cure for that though.
But that would entail *education* from little vernon's part. Won't happen...
Universities and libraries are houses of ill repute to vernon's ilk.
Direct Evidence for the Homo-Pan Clade
http://www.springerlink.com/content/kl5yfu1eawl95xfh/
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Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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| User: "JessHC" |
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28 Dec 2006 08:57:20 AM |
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vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167285093.321184.260100@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167261738.538062.56910@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent
input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
What happens when you eat?
"INTELLIGENT" design. Amazing.
Assimilation of preexisting complex molecules. The cheeseburger's
amino acids become part of yours. You really are more part cow
than you realize.
FYI
Humans are genetically more similar to pigs than any other animal.
Support your assertion, or admit you're lying.
Maybe YOU are "part" Cow or "part" pig. Speak for yourself.
And let you speak for everyone else.
Even within the realm of "intelligent design" there are those species and
variations within the human species that are uneducated.
Yes, some of them think assertion makes something true.
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| User: "SeppoP" |
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28 Dec 2006 10:03:22 AM |
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vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167285093.321184.260100@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
vernon wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Andrew wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
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"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
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"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent
input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
What happens when you eat?
"INTELLIGENT" design. Amazing.
Assimilation of preexisting complex molecules. The cheeseburger's
amino acids become part of yours. You really are more part cow
than you realize.
FYI
Humans are genetically more similar to pigs than any other animal.
If *you* are more similar to a pig it doesn't mean that the rest of us are...
Maybe YOU are "part" Cow or "part" pig. Speak for yourself.
Even within the realm of "intelligent design" there are those species and
variations within the human species that are uneducated.
You're probably even more similar to a cow pat. At least that's what you produce...
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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| User: "vernon stillhere@anhere" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
28 Dec 2006 12:43:06 PM |
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"SeppoP" <seppo_pietikainen@xyahoox.com> wrote in message
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vernon wrote:
FYI
Humans are genetically more similar to pigs than any other animal.
If *you* are more similar to a pig it doesn't mean that the rest of us
are...
Yep, you don't have a clue on genetics, yet you spout.
Don't get a job in a test lab unless you are the stand up comedian.
Labs use mice and rats because they are less expensive and the wonderful FDA
accepts mice as a GOOD test.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
28 Dec 2006 12:50:17 PM |
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vernon wrote:
"SeppoP" <seppo_pietikainen@xyahoox.com> wrote in message
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vernon wrote:
FYI
Humans are genetically more similar to pigs than any other animal.
If *you* are more similar to a pig it doesn't mean that the rest of us
are...
Yep, you don't have a clue on genetics, yet you spout.
Don't get a job in a test lab unless you are the stand up comedian.
Labs use mice and rats because they are less expensive and the wonderful FDA
accepts mice as a GOOD test.
A good test for mice. Then they move on to human tests.
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
28 Dec 2006 04:19:12 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, JessHC wrote:
vernon wrote:
"SeppoP" <seppo_pietikainen@xyahoox.com> wrote in message
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vernon wrote:
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Labs use mice and rats because they are less expensive and the wonderful
FDA accepts mice as a GOOD test.
A good test for mice. Then they move on to human tests.
They ought to use lawyers as test animals. Lawyers are quite unlike
the very cute and sentient beings such as rats. There isn't a chance
that the experimenters could develop any feelings of affection and
attachment for lawyers. Furthermore, there is no shortage of lawyers.
One of the best reasons to use lawyers instead of rats is that there
are many things which the experimenters can easily train a lawyer to do
that no rat would do.
Sam Heywood
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
28 Dec 2006 03:49:28 PM |
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vernon wrote:
"SeppoP" <seppo_pietikainen@xyahoox.com> wrote in message
news:4vi86aF1aofm8U2@mid.individual.net...
vernon wrote:
FYI
Humans are genetically more similar to pigs than any other animal.
If *you* are more similar to a pig it doesn't mean that the rest of us
are...
Yep, you don't have a clue on genetics, yet you spout.
Don't get a job in a test lab unless you are the stand up comedian.
Labs use mice and rats because they are less expensive and the wonderful FDA
accepts mice as a GOOD test.
Funny you should mention that. Are mice and rats different "kinds",
Vern? I know you ran away from my challenge to define what a "kind" is
and to specify the mechanism which keeps "kinds" separate (as all
creationists always do), but can we get an official ruling from you in
this one instance?
Because if mice and rats are the same "kind", then so, too, are humans
and chimpanzees, since their genomes are much closer to each other than
a rat's is to a mouse's. Can you explain that, La Vern?
Or will you run away like you have been doing ever since people in this
thread tried getting you to support your claims, answer questions, and
meet challenges?
Let's see. I know which one my money is on.
Budikka
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
27 Dec 2006 07:11:10 PM |
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On 27 Dec 2006 15:22:18 -0800, "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Andrew wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
What happens when you eat?
Everything tastes of *****.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
23 Dec 2006 07:47:32 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:27:40 GMT, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
Humans.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
23 Dec 2006 07:58:08 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:27:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> in
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"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message news:nt0ro21imn8n12tbf84hoeqkr7bmg5p264@4ax.com...
"Andrew" in <oeejh.2395$pQ3.1786@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
Pasteur showed that maggots in rotting meat come from eggs
laid by flies. He showed nothing about the formation of life
originally.
"The theory of spontaneous generation was finally laid to
rest in 1859 by the young French chemist, Louis Pasteur."
http://www.tiny.cc/vYKgI
His findings have never been disproven. Life can never arise
from nonliving chemicals apart from a super intelligent input.
Do you have any examples of life forming via super intelligent input?
Yes, but first give some from life arising from nonliving chemicals.
Gee, you had an opportunity to present some evidence and you failed to
take advantage. I wonder why. I can point you to *evidence* regarding
the natural formation of various components of living things, from
amino acids to lipid cell walls. Are you willing to look at that
evidence?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Andrew" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
24 Dec 2006 02:49:20 AM |
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"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
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I can point you to *evidence* regarding the natural formation of various
components of living things, from amino acids to lipid cell walls. Are you
willing to look at that evidence?
No more could such components become an actual living cell apart from
intelligent input, than could a supply of ink and paper become a library of
perfectly spelled technical books by natural processes without the special
direct involvement of intelligent input. To say otherwise, would show lack
of understanding of the actual complexity of a living cell.
"To grasp the reality of life as it has been revealed by molecular biology,
we must magnify a cell a thousand million times until it is twenty kilometers
in diameter and resembles a giant airship large enough to cover a great city
like London or New York. What we would then see would be an object of
unparalelled complexity and adaptive design. On the surface of the cell we
would see millions of openings, like port holes of a vast space ship, opening
and closing to allow a continual stream of materials to flow in and out. If we
were to enter one of these openings we would find ourselves in a world of
supreme technology and bewildering complexity... (a complexity) beyond
our own creative capacities, a reality which is the very antithesis of chance,
which excels in every sense anything produced by the intelligence of man.."
-- Dr. Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis
http://stochastix.wordpress.com/2006/11/15/the-inner-life-of-the-cell/
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Matt Silberstein
Andrew
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
24 Dec 2006 07:33:24 AM |
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 08:49:20 GMT, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
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I can point you to *evidence* regarding the natural formation of various
components of living things, from amino acids to lipid cell walls. Are you
willing to look at that evidence?
No more could such components become an actual living cell apart from
intelligent input,
Prove it.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Basis of Evolution |
24 Dec 2006 05:34:24 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 08:49:20 GMT, in alt.atheism , "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> in
<karjh.3229$w91.1349@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" wrote in message
news:dhnro2df1vlohpcq2pvq02qcq4uhmdpa01@4ax.com...
I can point you to *evidence* regarding the natural formation of various
components of living things, from amino acids to lipid cell walls. Are you
willing to look at that evidence?
No more could such components become an actual living cell apart from
intelligent input, than could a supply of ink and paper become a library of
perfectly spelled technical books by natural processes without the special
direct involvement of intelligent input. To say otherwise, would show lack
of understanding of the actual complexity of a living cell.
Sorry, but neither incredulity nor personal comment is a valid
argument. You have simply asserted that life could not arise stepwise,
you have not provided any actual argument for that claim. (Nor does
that say a thing in favor of creation.) It seems that you are
demanding that science provide an complete detailed explanation of the
entire process of the origin of life before you will bother to look.
"To grasp the reality of life as it has been revealed by molecular biology,
we must magnify a cell a thousand million times until it is twenty kilometers
in diameter and resembles a giant airship large enough to cover a great city
like London or New York. What we would then see would be an object of
unparalelled complexity and adaptive design. On the surface of the cell we
would see millions of openings, like port holes of a vast space ship, opening
and closing to allow a continual stream of materials to flow in and out. If we
were to enter one of these openings we would find ourselves in a world of
supreme technology and bewildering complexity... (a complexity) beyond
our own creative capacities, a reality which is the very antithesis of chance,
which excels in every sense anything produced by the intelligence of man.."
-- Dr. Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis
http://stochastix.wordpress.com/2006/11/15/the-inner-life-of-the-cell/
Denton has, of course, admitted that he was wrong in most of _A Theory
In Crisis_. Did you read his follow up book? Or anything by biologists
on this topic?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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