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User: "jabriol"
Date: 15 Feb 2004 02:15:08 AM
Object: Re: Believe Only What You See?
"jabriol" <jabriol@borijan.org> wrote in message news:...


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In article <c0if8o$300t$1@beast.euro.net>,
"E.N." <egg@nospam.invalid> wrote:



Now perhaps when you wrote 'right or wrong' you did not mean
"objectively factual" (i.e., truthful) or not. Perhaps you are using
it to mean "consistent with my subjective value system", as is the
case with respect to "morality." Science does not deal with
philosophy. It only deals with facts and reality.



So if you only deal with measurable fact, you can not make bold

statements

that God does NOT exist.


When did Steve say that science has determined that God does not exist?

In any case, science *can* say that there is no evidence that a God

exists.




real scientist do not exclude the existence of a god.



.

User: "Virgil"

Title: Re: Believe Only What You See? 15 Feb 2004 03:07:09 AM
In article <gUFXb.8356015$Id.1385251@news.easynews.com>,
"jabriol" <jabriol@borijan.org> wrote:

real scientist do not exclude the existence of a god.

Nor include it, at least in their scientific thinking.
Since science can do nothing, at least at present, to either confirm or
deny the existence of a god, issues of theology should not be treated as
if science could resolve them.
.
User: "jabriol"

Title: Re: Believe Only What You See? 15 Feb 2004 11:31:24 AM
"Virgil" <virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <gUFXb.8356015$Id.1385251@news.easynews.com>,
"jabriol" <jabriol@borijan.org> wrote:

real scientist do not exclude the existence of a god.


Nor include it, at least in their scientific thinking.

You can't exclude something you don't think about eh?

Since science can do nothing, at least at present, to either confirm or
deny the existence of a god, issues of theology should not be treated as
if science could resolve them.

who exactly is asking science to do so?
.
User: "Virgil"

Title: Re: Believe Only What You See? 15 Feb 2004 02:31:16 PM
In article <M1OXb.311341$9p3.56248@news.easynews.com>,
"jabriol" <jabriol@borijan.org> wrote:

"Virgil" <virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <gUFXb.8356015$Id.1385251@news.easynews.com>,
"jabriol" <jabriol@borijan.org> wrote:

real scientist do not exclude the existence of a god.


Nor include it, at least in their scientific thinking.

You can't exclude something you don't think about eh?

Since science can do nothing, at least at present, to either confirm or
deny the existence of a god, issues of theology should not be treated as
if science could resolve them.


who exactly is asking science to do so?


Creationists appear to be asking science to verify their theology.
In fact they are attempting to deny science in areas in which science
can resolve issues.
.
User: "jabriol"

Title: Re: Believe Only What You See? 15 Feb 2004 05:41:05 PM
"Virgil" <virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <M1OXb.311341$9p3.56248@news.easynews.com>,
"jabriol" <jabriol@borijan.org> wrote:

"Virgil" <virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:virgil-B17644.02070915022004@news.nntpservers.com...

In article <gUFXb.8356015$Id.1385251@news.easynews.com>,
"jabriol" <jabriol@borijan.org> wrote:

real scientist do not exclude the existence of a god.


Nor include it, at least in their scientific thinking.

You can't exclude something you don't think about eh?

Since science can do nothing, at least at present, to either confirm

or

deny the existence of a god, issues of theology should not be treated

as

if science could resolve them.


who exactly is asking science to do so?



Creationists appear to be asking science to verify their theology.

I am not a creationist.. but science has verified many things written in the
bible
unless you consider archeology a non-science


In fact they are attempting to deny science in areas in which science
can resolve issues.

can science resolve simple issues? maybe it can... but not by much..
.
User: "David Jensen"

Title: Re: Believe Only What You See? 15 Feb 2004 07:00:23 PM
In alt.talk.creationism, "jabriol" <jabriol@borijan.org> wrote in
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"Virgil" <virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
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In article <M1OXb.311341$9p3.56248@news.easynews.com>,
"jabriol" <jabriol@borijan.org> wrote:

"Virgil" <virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:virgil-B17644.02070915022004@news.nntpservers.com...

In article <gUFXb.8356015$Id.1385251@news.easynews.com>,
"jabriol" <jabriol@borijan.org> wrote:

real scientist do not exclude the existence of a god.


Nor include it, at least in their scientific thinking.

You can't exclude something you don't think about eh?

Since science can do nothing, at least at present, to either confirm

or

deny the existence of a god, issues of theology should not be treated

as

if science could resolve them.


who exactly is asking science to do so?



Creationists appear to be asking science to verify their theology.


I am not a creationist.. but science has verified many things written in the
bible unless you consider archeology a non-science

Scientists from a wide range of disciplines have discovered that the
Creation story and the Flood story are not historically accurate.
As far as I am aware, archaeologists have confirmed that:
1. Humans were never centered in Babylon and the division of languages
did not happen as told in Genesis.
2. There was no slavery in Egypt for a large population of Hebrews,
3. There was no Exodus.
4. There was no conquest of Canaan as described in the Bible.
5. Jericho was abandoned by the time it was supposedly conquered by
Joshua.
6. There is no evidence that the united Kingdom existed as described in
the Bible.
7. There is some confirmation for the post-Captivity stories.
8. There is no archaeological evidence to support any claims about
Jesus.

In fact they are attempting to deny science in areas in which science
can resolve issues.



can science resolve simple issues? maybe it can... but not by much..

What alternative do you offer?
.






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