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"Martin Willett" |
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02 Aug 2004 04:18:57 PM |
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Re: Beliving in a thing not proven. |
The Last Church wrote:
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:24:16 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<You don't do magic tricks but you do drop hints about coming back
from <the dead and astral projection, visiting me several times.
Why
do you <do that?
If you ask me for directions to town, I would tell you how I
got
there and hand you a map. I would not get in the car and drive you
there just to prove I could do it.
The kingdom of God is with in. Go there. I will not drive you.
I don't want the kingdom of God or any other bloody kingdom, I'm a
republican at heart. (That's a small r)
I'm not asking for proof of the kingdom of God, I'm asking for proof
of your preposterous claim to have visited me. Prove it.
<You want to be able to make wild claims and yet provide no
<evidence for any of it. Why?
Because the only evidence is in you as it is in me. When you can
enter your own spirit you can also enter mine. Until you know
yourself you can not know anything. Only you can prove anything to
you. The evidence you ask for is with in you. I can not make you
look at it. I can only tell you there is something to find that is
worth seeking.
Bollocks. If you have visited me you should be able to provide me with
plenty of evidence, knowledge of things that cannot be gleaned just by
searching for stuff about me on the internet. Come and visit me now,
pick up some evidence and reveal it to me.
I'm not asking for you to prove the existence of God or spirituality
or for me to get involved in any of that mind-rot, I just want to see
you provide some evidence to back up your absurd claim.
As a teenager I was standing at the bottom of an on ramp when two
other teenagers walked up to me. They too were hitching for rides
going any where. They saw a Cross on the necklace I was wearing and
began the same taunting and speech you are. The Demanded PROOF!
So with the foolishness of a child, I told them to describe
the
next car they wanted to ride in. They chose the most improbable
one they could think of. A white 4 door VW pickup with a wooden
rack on the bed covered with a tarp. Quite sure that I could not
find such a ride to stop for up. Much less make it stop and give us
a
ride.
SO, I said allowed," God I speak allowed so those who here will
know what I ask for and who I made the request to. Please bring the
VW pick up they ask for."
AS I finished the VW pickup was pulling out of traffic and
offered
us a ride. The two young people, white faced and quiet, opened the
door and got in. They could not keep quiet for long and began to
tell
the excited tail of what they had seen ME do.
When ask where they were going they replied, " Where ever you are
Going is fine." The driver and his wife said they were on the way
to
a church picnic 100 miles away. Again these two young people were
shocked.
We all arrived at the picnic and the two went around telling
everyone what "I" did. They could not stop talking about it and all
ways it was what "I" did. It was that day that I learned why Jesus
said never do these things where men can see you, but in secret.
Not once did any one understand that I did nothing but ask the
spirit to give something. All attention was on me and no one saw
themselves. None of them thought they could do the same things
I did and do. Never again have I used things like that as proof of
God, For it is proof of nothing and only serves to confuse. The
proof you seek is with in you not me. Until you can see your own
spirit you will never see me or those like me.
So, why have I given you my time? Why have I bothered to listen
to your thoughts? It is for the sake of love so I may share in its
blessings and from compassion that spills over when my cup is full.
This cup can fill and overflow but it can never be emptied.
Alleluia! Now you wouldn't just make up a story like that would you?
Oh no. Not a real bona fide Man of Gawd.
That is the dumbest thing I have ever come across. You tell a Twilight
Zone story and expect people to believe it just because you are
telling it. Have you any idea of the concept of proof?
I'll let you into a little secret here, freeform bullshitting doesn't
cut it. If you want to impress me with a proof of your mystical powers
you need to prove them, not state them, describe them or tell stories
about them. Prove them. And I really don't care about your moral
scruples about proving your ability, it all sounds like the stories
the ventriloquist gives to explain why his dummy doesn't join him in a
song and dance routine.
I have bent over backwards to give you opportunities to prove the
powers you claim and all you do is bluster and tell stories that
cannot be corroborated. You might as well have told me you hailed a
spaceship and took those guys to Jupiter, I have nothing but your word
for anything you have told me and on the basis of your claims of
visiting me I rate your word as without any value at all.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.
<> Know need to reveal what I already know.
<No ability to reveal what you could not have known.
What you can not see others see clearly from with in themselves.
<>
<>> < What did you
<>> <pick up
<>
<> The truth. You were and are trying to set traps that would
prove <> your current theory, and that your mind is closed to any
reception <> that contradicts what you think you are.
<
<> If I want to heal some one or change their misfortunes I
would
<> do so in a way that no one knew I had anything to do with it.
<
<Oh sure. That way you can never be proven to have failed and you
can
<claim credit for anything you want to, after it has happened.
I claim no credit, I need no creditability, and I seek to prove
nothing to anyone. Only you can prove anything to yourself and
only by doing what you now think is impossible. The only limits
in life are those we place on ourselves. You are what you think you
are.........
<
<The reason you are not like other people is quite simple, they
don't
<go around setting up fourth rate religions and hoping credulous
people <will send them some money.
<
<>
<> Any time a man wants something more than he does not want
it,
<> That something becomes a fact and enters reality. Even though I
<> restrain myself there are times when compassion can over rule
<> my will and make changes in the life of some one.
<>
<> Compassion is a dictator even unto God. Love generates
<compassion
<> and all love is unconditional or it is not love. When you
teach
<> yourself to love you will understand what you have seen.
<>
<> Love is the emotion we get when we decide to forgive in
advance <> all the mistakes a person "is" going to make in life.
God can do <no
<> less.
<>
<
<All stale waffle. You have done nothing. Achieved nothing.
Deserved
<nothing. You are full of hot air and bluster.
And you, my friend, came from trouble to cause trouble and
are the adversary to your own nature. You can not see that at
least
two people here have offered you things you can not understand. Yet
they gave love and the most valuable thing in life, their time.
And
no matter what you think at this moment you will think of these
things
for the rest of your life. What you do with those thoughts is your
own business.
Holy man, magic man, put up or shut up.
It is very simple. You claim you have visited me. Prove it. Don't
waffle. I'll simply scroll down whatever bluster you put unread. I'm
looking for proof, not stories. I am looking for proof that you have
visited me.
Do you have instant message capability? You can hook up with me via
Yahoo messenger, AIM, MSN messenger, ICQ, Microsoft Netmeeting or via
the chatroom in my forum
http://p069.ezboard.com/bmememachineforum
any way you want to: text, webcam, audio or all at once. I'll be
there, waiting for you to prove your ju-ju powers, live. Follow the
link in my signature to my website and you will find my email address
there and we can meet up live any time tomorrow, or failing that on
Sunday. I'll even get up in the early hours to accommodate you.
Any time. I'm waiting. I want your proof.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: Beliving in a thing not proven. |
03 Aug 2004 12:48:09 PM |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Martin Willett" <ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote in message...
I don't want the kingdom of God or any other bloody kingdom.
Very well. That's your choice. Personally, I can't even define
what
it is that
you are so certain that you do not want.
Is there some need to have tried crossposting this little diatribe
to
'alt.journalism' ?
What's the matter? Is shameless self-publicity the soul (sic)
prerogative of members of the society of Theological Wannabes and
Terrestrial Soothsayers?
(Thanks to Missus_Gumby http://www.english-atheist.co.uk/ for help
with that acronym) the Amalgamated Society of Saviours, Fakirs and
Union of Clerical Kleptocrats would perhaps be going a bit far, don't
you think?
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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04 Aug 2004 08:29:36 PM |
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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:18:57 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<I don't want the kingdom of God
Then why are you living?
< I'm asking for proof
<of your preposterous claim to have visited me. Prove it.
Prove it to yourself.
<
<> I can not make you
<> look at it. I can only tell you there is something to find that is
<> worth seeking.
<
< If you have visited me you should be able to provide me with
<plenty of evidence, knowledge of things that cannot be gleaned just by
<searching for stuff about me on the internet. Come and visit me now,
If you saw the spirit of Christ walk across your room you would not
believe it. If you want proof look into yourself and say "Christ come
visit me." Keep going deeper into yourself until you find the proof
you seek.
< I just want to see
<you provide some evidence to back up your absurd claim.
And what would that do, but confuse you more. The only claim
I make is that there is more to life than what you can see and touch.
If you don't want to look for it then don't ask me to show you
anything.
<> AS I finished the VW pickup was pulling out of traffic
<>never again have I used things like that as proof of
<> God,
<> So, why have I given you my time? Why have I bothered to listen
<> to your thoughts? It is for the sake of love so I may share in its
<> blessings and from compassion that spills over when my cup is full.
<> This cup can fill and overflow but it can never be emptied.
<>
<
<Alleluia! Now you wouldn't just make up a story like that would you?
<Oh no. Not a real bona fide Man of Gawd.
<
<That is the dumbest thing I have ever come across. You tell a Twilight
<Zone story and expect people to believe it just because you are
<telling it. Have you any idea of the concept of proof?
I did not expect you to believe anything. I did not offer it as proof
of anything. I just offered it as the reason I will not do magic
tricks for you. What you do with it is no concern of mine.
<
< If you want to impress me
How many time do I need to tell you, "I DO NOT WANT TO IMPRESS
YOU.!" And in fact Refuse to impress you at all. If you want to
find some one to impress you search in another place.
<I have bent over backwards to give you opportunities to prove
< be corroborated
Really? Then bend over backwards and tell me what you see on the face
of this watch.
<I have nothing but your word
<for anything you have told me
You have the watch but for some reason you don't want to look at it.
Are you afraid you will prove something to yourself?
<Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.
There is nothing Extraordinary about it. Anyone can and does do it.
< I'll simply scroll down whatever bluster you put unread.
So you can admit you are not reading? You are only looking for
, what?
< I am looking for proof that you have
<visited me.
No you are looking for something else.
<
<Do you have instant message capability?
Yes but not by computer.
< I want your proof.
And I want you to find your proof in yourself.
Gee I just noticed this is cross posted. I will cut it back to just
alt.religion.the-last-church................
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In the mind of Christ,
Michael
**
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
leahcim at thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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05 Aug 2004 09:42:46 AM |
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 01:29:36 GMT, The Last Church
<re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
If you saw the spirit of Christ walk across your room you would not
believe it.
That is true.
If you want proof look into yourself and say "Christ come
visit me." Keep going deeper into yourself until you find the proof
you seek.
Funny that you should say that.
I did that, for five long, lonely, years.
When I started, I was a devout xtian, in distress.
Five years of constant praying, later, I was an atheist.
Funny old world; aint it?
--
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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13 Aug 2004 10:26:38 AM |
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Puck Greenman wrote:
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 01:29:36 GMT, The Last Church
<re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
If you saw the spirit of Christ walk across your room you would not
believe it.
That is true.
If you want proof look into yourself and say "Christ come
visit me." Keep going deeper into yourself until you find the
proof
you seek.
Funny that you should say that.
I did that, for five long, lonely, years.
When I started, I was a devout xtian, in distress.
Five years of constant praying, later, I was an atheist.
Funny old world; aint it?
Michael did respond to you but he is so afraid of exposing himself to
ridicule any more than he needs to he removed alt.atheism from his
reply. I wonder if he thought you would have an insatiable curiosity
sufficient to chase down his own obscure personal newsgroup.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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04 Aug 2004 09:09:48 PM |
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The Last Church <re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> wrote in
news:7ov2h09kvimkqcace4nnk906b1d8gi05kf@4ax.com:
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:18:57 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<I don't want the kingdom of God
Then why are you living?
Because that's all there is.
< I'm asking for proof
<of your preposterous claim to have visited me. Prove it.
Prove it to yourself.
You wouldn't like hearing what I've proved.
<
<> I can not make you
<> look at it. I can only tell you there is something to find that is
<> worth seeking.
<
< If you have visited me you should be able to provide me with
<plenty of evidence, knowledge of things that cannot be gleaned just
by <searching for stuff about me on the internet. Come and visit me
now,
If you saw the spirit of Christ walk across your room you would not
believe it. If you want proof look into yourself and say "Christ come
visit me." Keep going deeper into yourself until you find the proof
you seek.
All you will have found there is yourself.
Which is all you really need.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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06 Aug 2004 06:46:17 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 02:09:48 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<> Then why are you living?
<>
<Because that's all there is.
Then you're wasting your time. In the time/track of the universe life
only lasts 30 seconds. No trace of your existence or the planet will
remain. If living as an animal is all there is then there is no
reason to live.
<
<>>< I'm asking for proof
<>><of your preposterous claim to have visited me. Prove it.
<>
<> Prove it to yourself.
<You wouldn't like hearing what I've proved.
You can only prove anything to yourself and most of us get it wrong.
But if you don't think I would like what you believe then you must not
find satisfaction in what you believe.
<
<>><
<>eep going deeper into yourself until you find the proof
<> you seek.
<
<All you will have found there is yourself.
<Which is all you really need.
Really? Try living on a desert island all by yourself and you will
see your needs are much greater than yourself. If you can't find
anything else you would seek the company of a fish and try to make it
your friend.
There is more to find in yourself than yourself. If that is all
you can see you have yet to enter yourself at all. With in yourself
you will find a universe even larger than the one you can see with
your eyes, and with far less restrictions.
If you want to follow this thread you will have to come to
Alt.religion.the-last-church. I am cutting the cross posts out.
..
In the mind of Christ,
Michael
**
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
leahcim at thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: Beliving in a thing not proven. |
07 Aug 2004 10:07:38 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:46:17 GMT, The Last Church
<re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> with calm deliberation, and malace
aforethought, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 02:09:48 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<> Then why are you living?
<>
<Because that's all there is.
Then you're wasting your time. In the time/track of the universe life
only lasts 30 seconds.
Relative to what?
No trace of your existence or the planet will
remain.
While the universe exists, traces of me, will remain.
If living as an animal is all there is then there is no
reason to live.
Are you saying that life can contain no pleasure, no joy, without your
myth.
There thousands of species of animal, on this earth, for whom, just
being alive, is enough: Why is your species, different.
There are billions of people who do not follow your myth: Are you
saying that they are all so miserable in their existence, that they
should just curl up and die?
If you believe that, then I seriously suggest that you sell your
computer, buy a good pair of boots, and a rucksack, and get out there
and have a look at the world.
--
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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| Title: Re: Beliving in a thing not proven. |
08 Aug 2004 12:44:53 AM |
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:07:38 +0100, Puck Greenman
<puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
<Are you saying that life can contain no pleasure, no joy, without your
<myth.
No I am saying life has no value with out hope.
<
<There thousands of species of animal, on this earth, for whom, just
<being alive, is enough: Why is your species, different.
There is no difference:
"19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them
both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same spirit:
man has no advantage over the animal.
9:2
It is the same fate for all.
There is one fate for the righteous and for the wicked;
for the good, for the clean and for the unclean;
for the man who offers a sacrifice and for the one who does not
sacrifice. As the good man is, so is the sinner;
as the swearer is, so is the one who is afraid to swear.
We all share the same fate.
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..String terminated in alt.atheism,alt.journalism.
Continuation in alt.religion.the-last-church.
The last Church is your own mind body and soul.
There can be no other. No building or group of people
can be a church.
..
In the mind of Christ,
Michael
**
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
leahcim at thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Beliving in a thing not proven. |
09 Aug 2004 07:43:38 AM |
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"The Last Church" <re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> wrote in message
news:oiebh0pesqghk2pirmbqdpddscas47ef05@4ax.com...
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:07:38 +0100, Puck Greenman
<puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
<Are you saying that life can contain no pleasure, no joy, without your
<myth.
No I am saying life has no value with out hope.
So what? That's just your opinion.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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09 Aug 2004 04:05:51 PM |
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On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:43:38 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote
(in article <2np9rpF362cpU1@uni-berlin.de>):
"The Last Church" <re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> wrote in message
news:oiebh0pesqghk2pirmbqdpddscas47ef05@4ax.com...
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:07:38 +0100, Puck Greenman
<puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
<Are you saying that life can contain no pleasure, no joy, without your
<myth.
No I am saying life has no value with out hope.
So what? That's just your opinion.
But we do have hope, hope that pain-in-the-***** chokes on a pretzel.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Your god wears fuzzy, pink, bunny slippers."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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06 Aug 2004 09:36:34 PM |
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The Last Church <re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> wrote in
news:ae48h0psoe4glva3v9876g0f88fgb18e7e@4ax.com:
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 02:09:48 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<> Then why are you living?
<>
<Because that's all there is.
Then you're wasting your time. In the time/track of the universe life
only lasts 30 seconds. No trace of your existence or the planet will
remain. If living as an animal is all there is then there is no
reason to live.
But here and now I am alive.
<
<>>< I'm asking for proof
<>><of your preposterous claim to have visited me. Prove it.
<>
<> Prove it to yourself.
<You wouldn't like hearing what I've proved.
You can only prove anything to yourself and most of us get it wrong.
But if you don't think I would like what you believe then you must not
find satisfaction in what you believe.
It's not a question of satisfaction. What is, is.
<
<>><
<>eep going deeper into yourself until you find the proof
<> you seek.
<
<All you will have found there is yourself.
<Which is all you really need.
Really? Try living on a desert island all by yourself and you will
see your needs are much greater than yourself. If you can't find
anything else you would seek the company of a fish and try to make it
your friend.
But I don't live on a desert island all by myself. Of course I have
friends and family. While those needs are great they are no greater than
the world of the here and now.
There is more to find in yourself than yourself. If that is all
you can see you have yet to enter yourself at all. With in yourself
you will find a universe even larger than the one you can see with
your eyes, and with far less restrictions.
And it's all your own imagination.
If you want to follow this thread you will have to come to
Alt.religion.the-last-church. I am cutting the cross posts out.
Can't take the heat?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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07 Aug 2004 01:39:07 AM |
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 02:36:34 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<But here and now I am alive.
Are you? Or are you just an animal that thinks this is life.
<>><You wouldn't like hearing what I've proved.
<>
<> You can only prove anything to yourself and most of us get it wrong.
<> But if you don't think I would like what you believe then you must not
<> find satisfaction in what you believe.
<
<It's not a question of satisfaction. What is, is.
It is a question of satisfaction. If I don't like the world I live
in, I change it. What is, is always changing. I never settle for
what was. I keep what is good and let the rest dissolve.
<> Really? Try living on a desert island all by yourself and you will
<> see your needs are much greater than yourself.
<
<But I don't live on a desert island all by myself. Of course I have
<friends and family. While those needs are great they are no greater than
<the world of the here and now.
And that need is no greater than the will to survive all things.
<
<> With in yourself
<> you will find a universe even larger than the one you can see with
<> your eyes, and with far less restrictions.
<And it's all your own imagination.
And you said the same thing when I told you men could fly. Again you
said the same things when I told you men would walk on the moon. And
back when I told you the world was not flat, you wanted to have me
killed. A man with no imagination is always just an animal.
Any time a person wants something more than he doesn't want it,
it becomes a fact. Imagination creates all things. It created the
universe.
In the beginning there was nothing to create anything from but the
light of imagination in the mind of God.
<
<> If you want to follow this thread you will have to come to
<> Alt.religion.the-last-church. I am cutting the cross posts out.
<>
<
<Can't take the heat?
What heat? Stupidity in any form always leaves you cold.
..This thread was born in Alt.religion.the-last-church and that is
where it will return. All you need to do is ask your server for
access.
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In the mind of Christ,
Michael
**
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
leahcim at thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
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The Last Church <re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> wrote in
news:p4t8h05so56roui88u9vgm0fpoa23vrjaq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 02:36:34 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<But here and now I am alive.
Are you? Or are you just an animal that thinks this is life.
I'm thinking. This is life.
<>><You wouldn't like hearing what I've proved.
<>
<> You can only prove anything to yourself and most of us get it
wrong. <> But if you don't think I would like what you believe then
you must not <> find satisfaction in what you believe.
<
<It's not a question of satisfaction. What is, is.
It is a question of satisfaction. If I don't like the world I live
in, I change it. What is, is always changing. I never settle for
what was. I keep what is good and let the rest dissolve.
You can't do that by sinking deeper into the fantasies inside your head.
<> Really? Try living on a desert island all by yourself and you
will <> see your needs are much greater than yourself.
<
<But I don't live on a desert island all by myself. Of course I have
<friends and family. While those needs are great they are no greater
than <the world of the here and now.
And that need is no greater than the will to survive all things.
But here and now, I *am* alive.
<
<> With in yourself
<> you will find a universe even larger than the one you can see with
<> your eyes, and with far less restrictions.
<And it's all your own imagination.
And you said the same thing when I told you men could fly.
You didn't tell me that. Don't lie.
Again you
said the same things when I told you men would walk on the moon.
Nor that. Don't lie, it doesn't make anything else you say any more
credible.
And
back when I told you the world was not flat, you wanted to have me
killed.
You didn't tell anybody that. You were floating in your dreamworld.
A man with no imagination is always just an animal.
Any time a person wants something more than he doesn't want it,
it becomes a fact. Imagination creates all things. It created the
universe.
Imagination creates *nothing*. You gotta *work* at it to create
something.
In the beginning there was nothing to create anything from but the
light of imagination in the mind of God.
<
<> If you want to follow this thread you will have to come to
<> Alt.religion.the-last-church. I am cutting the cross posts out.
<>
<
<Can't take the heat?
What heat? Stupidity in any form always leaves you cold.
.This thread was born in Alt.religion.the-last-church and that is
where it will return. All you need to do is ask your server for
access.
We're still crossposting. No biggie, I don't mind if you want to drop
it, just let it go. Drift away in your fantasies.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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08 Aug 2004 12:44:50 AM |
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<We're still crossposting.
Not!
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reply is in alt.religion.the-last-church
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In the mind of Christ,
Michael
**
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
leahcim at thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: Beliving in a thing not proven. |
07 Aug 2004 01:52:20 PM |
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The Last Church wrote:
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 02:36:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<But here and now I am alive.
Are you? Or are you just an animal that thinks this is life.
And what are you? Just some jerk who thinks he's perceptive? Asking
Zen-like questions doesn't make you smart. I've seen ten year old Star
Wars fans make a better attempt at sounding wise.
<>><You wouldn't like hearing what I've proved.
<>
<> You can only prove anything to yourself and most of us get it
wrong. <> But if you don't think I would like what you believe then
you must not <> find satisfaction in what you believe.
<
<It's not a question of satisfaction. What is, is.
It is a question of satisfaction. If I don't like the world I live
in, I change it. What is, is always changing. I never settle for
what was. I keep what is good and let the rest dissolve.
Me too, I'm currently trying to make one very sad little seed of a new
religion die the death it deserves. The world has too many religions,
I'm doing some pruning.
<> Really? Try living on a desert island all by yourself and you
will <> see your needs are much greater than yourself.
<
<But I don't live on a desert island all by myself. Of course I
have
<friends and family. While those needs are great they are no
greater
than <the world of the here and now.
And that need is no greater than the will to survive all things.
<
<> With in yourself
<> you will find a universe even larger than the one you can see
with
<> your eyes, and with far less restrictions.
<And it's all your own imagination.
And you said the same thing when I told you men could fly. Again
you
said the same things when I told you men would walk on the moon.
And
back when I told you the world was not flat, you wanted to have me
killed. A man with no imagination is always just an animal.
Any time a person wants something more than he doesn't want it,
it becomes a fact. Imagination creates all things. It created the
universe.
In the beginning there was nothing to create anything from but
the
light of imagination in the mind of God.
<
<> If you want to follow this thread you will have to come to
<> Alt.religion.the-last-church. I am cutting the cross posts out.
<>
<
<Can't take the heat?
What heat? Stupidity in any form always leaves you cold.
.This thread was born in Alt.religion.the-last-church and that is
where it will return. All you need to do is ask your server for
access.
You started the thread, you don't own it. You are no longer looking
like the great cult leader with his loyal disciples. You are looking
like one very sad deluded charlatan and wannabe messiah with half a
follower.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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| Title: Re: Beliving in a thing not proven. |
08 Aug 2004 12:44:51 AM |
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:52:20 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<And what are you?
?
<I'm doing some pruning.
You can't.
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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06 Aug 2004 03:10:03 PM |
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The Last Church wrote:
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:18:57 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<I don't want the kingdom of God
Then why are you living?
That is both offensive and stupid.
If you can tell me the purpose of eternal life I'll tell you the
purpose I find in mine.
< I'm asking for proof
<of your preposterous claim to have visited me. Prove it.
Prove it to yourself.
You are the one making the absurd claims, you prove them. I don't need
to prove the sky is blue. You can't get out of this one. You made the
stupid claim, prove it. Put up or shut up. I am not interested in the
reasons why you don't want to prove your claims, I want to see your
proof or I want your apologies for wasting my time and spouting crap.
<
<> I can not make you
<> look at it. I can only tell you there is something to find that
is <> worth seeking.
<
< If you have visited me you should be able to provide me with
<plenty of evidence, knowledge of things that cannot be gleaned
just
by <searching for stuff about me on the internet. Come and visit me
now,
If you saw the spirit of Christ walk across your room you would not
believe it. If you want proof look into yourself and say "Christ
come
visit me." Keep going deeper into yourself until you find the proof
you seek.
I've done that, several times. Nothing happened. I'm not going to keep
doing it until I finally hypnotize myself and become as barking mad as
you.
I am not seeking any proof except the proof of your magical powers.
You claimed them, you prove them. If you don't want to prove them then
you can apologize for wasting my time.
< I just want to see
<you provide some evidence to back up your absurd claim.
And what would that do, but confuse you more. The only claim
I make is that there is more to life than what you can see and
touch.
If you don't want to look for it then don't ask me to show you
anything.
If you can prove to me that you can visit me then I will have to
accept that as evidence of the supernatural and will be obliged to
study the subject in greater detail. As for the idea that there is
more to life than I can see and touch I would have to be pretty stupid
not to agree with you. I prefer to get evidence and theories from
people who use scientific methods, your "ways of knowing" are far too
similar to wishful thinking and fiction for me to be comfortable. Of
course science doesn't know everything, there are millions of students
studying to become scientists all the time, nobody is telling them
they are wasting their time because we already understand everything.
Except for the religious of course.
<> AS I finished the VW pickup was pulling out of traffic
<>never again have I used things like that as proof of
<> God,
<> So, why have I given you my time? Why have I bothered to
listen <> to your thoughts? It is for the sake of love so I may
share in its <> blessings and from compassion that spills over when
my cup is full. <> This cup can fill and overflow but it can never
be emptied. <>
<
<Alleluia! Now you wouldn't just make up a story like that would
you?
<Oh no. Not a real bona fide Man of Gawd.
<
<That is the dumbest thing I have ever come across. You tell a
Twilight <Zone story and expect people to believe it just because
you are <telling it. Have you any idea of the concept of proof?
I did not expect you to believe anything. I did not offer it as
proof
of anything. I just offered it as the reason I will not do magic
tricks for you. What you do with it is no concern of mine.
<
< If you want to impress me
How many time do I need to tell you, "I DO NOT WANT TO IMPRESS
YOU.!" And in fact Refuse to impress you at all. If you want to
find some one to impress you search in another place.
<I have bent over backwards to give you opportunities to prove
< be corroborated
Really? Then bend over backwards and tell me what you see on the
face
of this watch.
This watch? I can only see my watch, which tells me (to within an
accuracy of 1 second) what the time is. (Christ! Time for another
beer!)
Who are you expecting to impress with this 'tell me something and I'll
say you're right' stuff? It is just lame.
<I have nothing but your word
<for anything you have told me
You have the watch but for some reason you don't want to look at
it.
Are you afraid you will prove something to yourself?
What bloody watch? I have my watch. If I look at it it will tell me
what the time is. If you think that is magic then you really must be
easy to amuse.
21:05 BST, to within a second of the same time shown on my computer,
corrected to the US Navy's atomic clock. What's your magic trick?
<Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.
There is nothing Extraordinary about it. Anyone can and does do it.
You're right! Anybody can look at their watch, tell the time, tell it
to you and you tell them you knew!
< I'll simply scroll down whatever bluster you put unread.
So you can admit you are not reading? You are only looking for
, what?
< I am looking for proof that you have
<visited me.
No you are looking for something else.
No, I'm looking for you to either
1 ] Prove your claim
or
2 ] admit you were bullshitting
It is a simple choice for you. The third option of wriggling around
trying to sound deep and mystical is just lame.
<
<Do you have instant message capability?
Yes but not by computer.
That's not slick, just oily.
OK, phone me. My number isn't in the telephone book but I don't see
how that should be a problem for one with your super-powers.
< I want your proof.
And I want you to find your proof in yourself.
Gee I just noticed this is cross posted. I will cut it back to
just
alt.religion.the-last-church................
No. A lot of people don't have your pet newsgroup. I want your
humiliation public, not confined to you and your disciple (hi Dave).
For every newsgroup you take out I will add seven. That's nicely
biblical isn't it?
Prove you absurd claim or admit you were bullshitting.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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07 Aug 2004 01:55:07 PM |
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The Last Church wrote:
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:10:03 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<> Then why are you living?
<
<That is both offensive and stupid.
There is no logical reason to live if this life is all there was.
Tell that to all the trillions of living things, not on the planet,
just start with those in your own body.
You have no idea of what logic is, you wouldn't recognize logic if it
bit you on the bum.
Life doesn't need a purpose, any more than erosion, oxidation or
indeed the Big Bang needs a purpose. Only designed things have
purposes. What is the purpose of the traffic spacing on a road? It
isn't a designed thing, it just happens, it has no purpose, vehicles
space themselves out for their own reasons, the pattern they form was
not designed and it has no purpose. In a few days time somebody will
come sixth in the 100 metres at the Olympics. Nobody intends to,
nobody wants to, nobody plans to. It will happen. Several times over
in the pool and twice on the track. Most realities are not planned or
designed, just caused.
No human life exists for a specific purpose, the future does not suck.
You can live your life for a purpose you create, or you can let some
religious bozo tell you what your purpose has to be.
<
<If you can tell me the purpose of eternal life I'll tell you the
<purpose I find in mine.
The purpose of eternal life is to gain knowledge.
For what? Use in the next after-life? If God started out all-wise why
does he need understudies?
The eternal life fairy tale does nothing to explain anything, it is
just mystical pseudo-meaning, just like everything you have ever
posted on your feeble website and tragically unpopular newsgroup.
<
<> Prove it to yourself.
<
<You are the one making the absurd claims, you prove them.
The watch is still laying here. What do you see?
You are spouting crap. My watch is on my wrist. My other watch is on
my desk, telling the correct time except for being 15 seconds fast. Is
this some kind of holy miracle?
<>> <
<> Keep going deeper into yourself until you find the proof
<> you seek.
<
<I've done that, several times. Nothing happened.
You have not. If you had you could see me. What are your
emotions
and how do they interface with the mind and the mind with the body.
Which of these are the essence of what you are. What spirit do you
live in?
I live in my body, I am my body. I have never felt any other way.
You are telling me I am lying because I do not report the same things
you experience. You are deluded.
<I am not seeking any proof except the proof of your magical
powers.
There is nothing magic about power. And there is nothing I do that
everyone can't do. Use it or lose it.
You lost it a long time ago.
<> If you don't want to look for it then don't ask me to show you
<> anything.
<
<If you can prove to me that you can visit me then I will have to
<accept that as evidence of the supernatural and will be obliged to
<study the subject in greater detail.
There is nothing super natural about it. It is a natural function
of
the human being. If you are looking for the supernatural you will
not find the spirit of God.
I am not looking for anything except for your proof or apology.
<more to life than I can see and touch I would have to be pretty
stupid <not to agree with you. I prefer to get evidence and
theories
from <people who use scientific methods, your "ways of knowing" are
far too <similar to wishful thinking and fiction for me to be
comfortable.
No need to call, everything science can't yet measure, wishful
thinking.
I'm not. I believe approximately 2 to 15% of every generation's
***** will prove to have some kernel of truth or wisdom within it.
That has been the experience of the past. I am willing, I am CRYING
OUT, for you to prove your power to me. I do not assume everything
that doesn't fit with conventional theories must be wrong. Some people
who are pilloried as charlatans get an apology from science and
history. Most of you guys don't deserve one.
<
<>
<>> It is for the sake of love so I may
<>> share in its blessings and from compassion that spills over
when
<>> my cup is full. This cup can fill and overflow but it can
never
<>> be emptied.
<>> What you do with it is no concern of mine.
======================== <What bloody watch? I have my watch. If I
look at it it will tell me <what the time is. If you think that is
magic then you really must be <easy to amuse.
<>> < I want your proof.
<>
<> And I want you to find your proof in yourself.
<> Gee I just noticed this is cross posted. I will cut it back to
<just
<> alt.religion.the-last-church................
<>
<
<No. A lot of people don't have your pet newsgroup. I want your
<humiliation public,
And that is all you truly want! Nothing else matters to you. Well
you can always repost this to as many NG's as you like.
You haven't a bloody clue what matters to me, have you? For all your
talk of visiting me you judge me less well than the average person who
doesn't believe they have, or claim they have, special powers.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Kermit" |
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| Title: Re: Beliving in a thing not proven. |
07 Aug 2004 11:06:33 PM |
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"Martin Willett" <ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<2nkmspF1u19dU1@uni-berlin.de>...
The Last Church wrote:
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:10:03 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<> Then why are you living?
<
<That is both offensive and stupid.
There is no logical reason to live if this life is all there was.
Tell that to all the trillions of living things, not on the planet,
just start with those in your own body.
You have no idea of what logic is, you wouldn't recognize logic if it
bit you on the bum.
Life doesn't need a purpose, any more than erosion, oxidation or
indeed the Big Bang needs a purpose. Only designed things have
purposes. What is the purpose of the traffic spacing on a road? It
isn't a designed thing, it just happens, it has no purpose, vehicles
space themselves out for their own reasons, the pattern they form was
not designed and it has no purpose. In a few days time somebody will
come sixth in the 100 metres at the Olympics. Nobody intends to,
nobody wants to, nobody plans to. It will happen. Several times over
in the pool and twice on the track. Most realities are not planned or
designed, just caused.
No human life exists for a specific purpose, the future does not suck.
You can live your life for a purpose you create, or you can let some
religious bozo tell you what your purpose has to be.
<
<If you can tell me the purpose of eternal life I'll tell you the
<purpose I find in mine.
The purpose of eternal life is to gain knowledge.
For what? Use in the next after-life? If God started out all-wise why
does he need understudies?
The eternal life fairy tale does nothing to explain anything, it is
just mystical pseudo-meaning, just like everything you have ever
posted on your feeble website and tragically unpopular newsgroup.
<
<> Prove it to yourself.
<
<You are the one making the absurd claims, you prove them.
The watch is still laying here. What do you see?
You are spouting crap. My watch is on my wrist. My other watch is on
my desk, telling the correct time except for being 15 seconds fast. Is
this some kind of holy miracle?
<>> <
<> Keep going deeper into yourself until you find the proof
<> you seek.
<
<I've done that, several times. Nothing happened.
You have not. If you had you could see me. What are your
emotions
and how do they interface with the mind and the mind with the body.
Which of these are the essence of what you are. What spirit do you
live in?
I live in my body, I am my body. I have never felt any other way.
You are telling me I am lying because I do not report the same things
you experience. You are deluded.
<I am not seeking any proof except the proof of your magical
powers.
There is nothing magic about power. And there is nothing I do that
everyone can't do. Use it or lose it.
You lost it a long time ago.
<> If you don't want to look for it then don't ask me to show you
<> anything.
<
<If you can prove to me that you can visit me then I will have to
<accept that as evidence of the supernatural and will be obliged to
<study the subject in greater detail.
There is nothing super natural about it. It is a natural function
of
the human being. If you are looking for the supernatural you will
not find the spirit of God.
I am not looking for anything except for your proof or apology.
<more to life than I can see and touch I would have to be pretty
stupid <not to agree with you. I prefer to get evidence and
theories
from <people who use scientific methods, your "ways of knowing" are
far too <similar to wishful thinking and fiction for me to be
comfortable.
No need to call, everything science can't yet measure, wishful
thinking.
I'm not. I believe approximately 2 to 15% of every generation's
***** will prove to have some kernel of truth or wisdom within it.
That has been the experience of the past. I am willing, I am CRYING
OUT, for you to prove your power to me. I do not assume everything
that doesn't fit with conventional theories must be wrong. Some people
who are pilloried as charlatans get an apology from science and
history. Most of you guys don't deserve one.
<
<>
<>> It is for the sake of love so I may
<>> share in its blessings and from compassion that spills over
when
<>> my cup is full. This cup can fill and overflow but it can
never
<>> be emptied.
<>> What you do with it is no concern of mine.
======================== <What bloody watch? I have my watch. If I
look at it it will tell me <what the time is. If you think that is
magic then you really must be <easy to amuse.
<>> < I want your proof.
<>
<> And I want you to find your proof in yourself.
<> Gee I just noticed this is cross posted. I will cut it back to
<just
<> alt.religion.the-last-church................
<>
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<No. A lot of people don't have your pet newsgroup. I want your
<humiliation public,
And that is all you truly want! Nothing else matters to you. Well
you can always repost this to as many NG's as you like.
You haven't a bloody clue what matters to me, have you? For all your
talk of visiting me you judge me less well than the average person who
doesn't believe they have, or claim they have, special powers.
Yeah. The great magician Houdini wanted very much to talk to his dead
mother. But everytime he visited a medium, he ended up exposing their
trickery. When Houdini died, his wife visited numerous mediums
(media?). She was not her husband, and could not expose them. But her
husband left her with one last trick: a password, which she never
revealed to anybody and never wrote down. None of the mediums could
tell her the password.
I would love for magic / divine powers / ET visitors / etc. to be
real, but experience says that the house odds are: fraud or
self-deception. Ah, well. Life is a gas anyway.
Kermit
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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08 Aug 2004 01:11:46 AM |
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On 7 Aug 2004 21:06:33 -0700, (Kermit)
wrote:
<Yeah. The great magician Houdini wanted very much to talk to his dead
<mother.
These kind of things have nothing to do with seeking the spirit of
God. The spirit of God is not a ghost.
Christ says,"No man has ever heard the voice of God nor seen his
form, nor will they ever."
Christ says, The written word will always be corrupted
and a bible no exception. Jesus told the disciples not to leave
any written word on earth when they die. They ask why not.
Christ said, "The written word will always be corrupted, but
the spirit of truth can not be corrupted."
..
In the mind of Christ,
Michael
**
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
leahcim at thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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09 Aug 2004 07:44:28 AM |
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"The Last Church" <re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> wrote in message
news:2tgbh0p33a1bm6fud49ali2u1iqprosrgm@4ax.com...
On 7 Aug 2004 21:06:33 -0700, (Kermit)
wrote:
<Yeah. The great magician Houdini wanted very much to talk to his dead
<mother.
These kind of things have nothing to do with seeking the spirit of
God. The spirit of God is not a ghost.
Prove it.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: Beliving in a thing not proven. |
13 Aug 2004 01:32:15 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"The Last Church" <re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> wrote in message
news:2tgbh0p33a1bm6fud49ali2u1iqprosrgm@4ax.com...
On 7 Aug 2004 21:06:33 -0700,
(Kermit)
wrote:
Yeah. The great magician Houdini wanted very much to talk to his
dead mother.
These kind of things have nothing to do with seeking the spirit of
God. The spirit of God is not a ghost.
Prove it.
Michael doesn't want a debate, he just wants sycophantic followers and
people to send him money.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Beliving in a thing not proven. |
08 Aug 2004 08:02:44 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 06:11:46 GMT, The Last Church
<re-leahcim@thelastchurch.org> wrote:
These kind of things have nothing to do with seeking the spirit of
God. The spirit of God is not a ghost.
Then what is it?
Christ says,"No man has ever heard the voice of God nor seen his
form, nor will they ever."
Not quite. Better write: "The authors of christ make him say: ..."
Christ says, The written word will always be corrupted
and a bible no exception.
Not quite. Better write: "The authors of christ make him say: ..."
Jesus told the disciples not to leave any written word on earth when they die. They ask why not.
Christ said, "The written word will always be corrupted, but
the spirit of truth can not be corrupted."
Whre exactly is that written?
In the mind of Christ,
Michael the Necrophile.
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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10 Aug 2004 02:29:59 PM |
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The Last Church wrote:
On 7 Aug 2004 21:06:33 -0700, (Kermit)
wrote:
<Yeah. The great magician Houdini wanted very much to talk to his
dead <mother.
These kind of things have nothing to do with seeking the spirit of
God. The spirit of God is not a ghost.
Christ says,"No man has ever heard the voice of God nor seen his
form, nor will they ever."
Christ says, The written word will always be corrupted
and a bible no exception. Jesus told the disciples not to leave
any written word on earth when they die. They ask why not.
Christ said, "The written word will always be corrupted, but
the spirit of truth can not be corrupted."
Michael, why have you dropped your own newsgroup from this thread?
Don't you want posterity to see you struggling? Have you got something
to hide? Apart from the rather obvious point that here is the
self-styled founder of "the last church" debating and losing, alone,
no disciples, no followers, no congregation, no bloody point to any of
it.
Give it up Michael. You're no good at it. Find a worthwhile hobby that
doesn't involve failing to save souls and rescue mankind.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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10 Aug 2004 07:06:16 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:29:59 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<Michael, why have you dropped your own newsgroup from this thread?
Because unlike you I am not interested in feeding my ego with the need
for others to watch me jack off, thinking how smart I am. I do not
crave attention.
You drug this out of TLC and cross posted it to places that did not
care to see it. You wanted people see you perform so you could play
games with your self. Well keep stroking yourself if you need to but
no one is watching you.
< no bloody point to any of
<it.
Every one who looks will see your point. You run naked in the
street to get attention and are frustrated to find no is one looking.
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11 Aug 2004 02:17:55 AM |
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The Last Church wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:29:59 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<Michael, why have you dropped your own newsgroup from this thread?
Because unlike you I am not interested in feeding my ego with the
need
for others to watch me jack off, thinking how smart I am. I do not
crave attention.
You drug this out of TLC and cross posted it to places that did
not
care to see it. You wanted people see you perform so you could play
games with your self. Well keep stroking yourself if you need to
but
no one is watching you.
Michael, you have set yourself up as the leader of "The Last Church"
and set up TWO newsgroups and a website. You are posing as something
you are clearly not. You are not a leader, nobody is following. Why
don't you do the world a favour and stop it?
< no bloody point to any of
<it.
Every one who looks will see your point. You run naked in the
street to get attention and are frustrated to find no is one
looking.
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Sorry Michael, what was that?
You seem to have done it again, dropping your newsgroup from the
thread. Are you ashamed of your newsgroup where you post stuff and if
you are lucky one bloke replies? That's hardly what people would
expect of a mighty prophet, is it?
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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12 Aug 2004 12:41:20 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:17:55 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<You seem to have done it again, dropping your newsgroup from the
<thread.
It gives you something to do.
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"THERE IS NO FEAR IN LOVE; BUT PERFECT LOVE DRIVES OUT FEAR "
because fear has punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in
love.
I am in love and seeking the perfection there of.
..
Michael
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
leahcim at thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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13 Aug 2004 04:25:49 AM |
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The Last Church wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:17:55 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<You seem to have done it again, dropping your newsgroup from the
<thread.
It gives you something to do.
Are you ashamed of your sad lonely corner of the internet?
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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08 Aug 2004 12:44:55 AM |
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:55:07 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<Life doesn't need a purpose.
<No human life exists for a specific purpose.
<I want your humiliation public.
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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13 Aug 2004 01:35:43 PM |
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The Last Church wrote:
Nothing, it seems.
You really can't go on ignoring your flock like this.
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:55:07 +0100, "Martin Willett"
<ignoredmailbox@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Life doesn't need a purpose.
No human life exists for a specific purpose.
I want your humiliation public.
http://mwillett.org/atheism/last_church_challenge.htm
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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