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05 Oct 2005 05:09:08 PM |
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Re: Bible says life evolved! |
Randy Cox wrote:
If you fully understood, created in the image of God, then you'd know that
slavery is self-imposed. You don't even have to read scripture to know
that.
If your reading comprehension were slightly better you would recall the
several passages in Leviticus in which GOD outlines the rules of
slavery...
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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05 Oct 2005 05:33:31 PM |
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"Crash" <sourcenexus@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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Randy Cox wrote:
If you fully understood, created in the image of God, then you'd know
that
slavery is self-imposed. You don't even have to read scripture to know
that.
If your reading comprehension were slightly better you would recall the
several passages in Leviticus in which GOD outlines the rules of
slavery...
Including that wonderful family value of selling your own daughter into
slavery.
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
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| User: "Randy Cox" |
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05 Oct 2005 06:40:42 PM |
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Randy Cox wrote:
If you fully understood, created in the image of God, then you'd know
that
slavery is self-imposed. You don't even have to read scripture to know
that.
If your reading comprehension were slightly better you would recall the
several passages in Leviticus in which GOD outlines the rules of
slavery...
Including that wonderful family value of selling your own daughter into
slavery.
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You want to quote from that. I hate to wade through all that sacrifice
stuff. I don't see what your talking about.
Randy R. Cox
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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05 Oct 2005 10:18:51 PM |
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"Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Randy Cox wrote:
If you fully understood, created in the image of God, then you'd know
that
slavery is self-imposed. You don't even have to read scripture to
know
that.
If your reading comprehension were slightly better you would recall the
several passages in Leviticus in which GOD outlines the rules of
slavery...
Including that wonderful family value of selling your own daughter into
slavery.
--
You want to quote from that. I hate to wade through all that sacrifice
stuff. I don't see what your talking about.
Randy R. Cox
Ask, and ye shall receive.....:
Exodus-
"21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go
out as the menservants do.
"21:8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then
shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall
have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
"21:9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her
after the manner of daughters."
QED
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
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| User: "Randy Cox" |
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06 Oct 2005 04:54:44 AM |
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yahoooY.com> wrote in message
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Randy Cox wrote:
If you fully understood, created in the image of God, then you'd
know
that
slavery is self-imposed. You don't even have to read scripture to
know
that.
If your reading comprehension were slightly better you would recall
the
several passages in Leviticus in which GOD outlines the rules of
slavery...
Including that wonderful family value of selling your own daughter into
slavery.
--
You want to quote from that. I hate to wade through all that sacrifice
stuff. I don't see what your talking about.
Randy R. Cox
Ask, and ye shall receive.....:
Exodus-
"21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go
out as the menservants do.
"21:8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself,
then
shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall
have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
"21:9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her
after the manner of daughters."
QED
None of those scriptures came from Leviticus. These came from Exodus. The
Bible is a record of the evolution of Man's separation from his Creator and
his reconciliation. In context to that, these scriptures are new law issued
to the Hebrew people following their liberation from slavery under the
Egyptians. Heretofore, they had been living under Egyptian law and as
slaves. How they got themselves enslaved is another story. God has just
given Moses the famous Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact these same
laws were codified in other parts of the world individually and this was the
first time such revolutionary and just laws had been gathered in one place
as cohesive rules of behavior as God begins the process of bringing some
discipline back to mankind who have been living in wanton rebellion against
all authority except the brutality of the sword.
Now God was instructing Moses on the details and application of those
Commandments and how they were to operate in the lives of the newly freed
Hebrews. This tale is full of rebellion in the spirit of the men to whom
these laws are given. Moses was told to instruct the people in these laws,
but he would not. He insisted on having a priest class to assume this
function. So here God was ready to allow man the freedom of individual
priesthood, but it was refused. Because man, specifically Moses, refused
the freedom of individual priesthood of man to God (though he actually
enjoyed that one to one relationship, he would not accept the reality of it
and neither would the Hebrews though it was always available to those who
would communicate with God....they preferred to do so through a Priest) God
dealt with them in the indirect manner of the priesthood until they could
advance to a level where they could serve as their own priest. Aaron became
the intermediary and the Tribe of Levi became the official priesthood....by
default rather than first choice of God. You must know the evolutionary
process that God was going through to re-establish communication with man.
It is a very sophisticated record of the independence of a man's spirit
operating in freedom seeking to be brought into harmony with the creative
spirit while maintaining the full freedom of independence. There is little
harmony here as man struggles in his own ignorance refusing harmony and just
having been freed from the slavery that results when one ignores natural and
supernatural law is given hints at how to adjust the chaos of undisciplined
living to some degree of order through the operation of law.
God has the ear of one flawed man, Moses, and through him begins the process
of bridging the gap between Himself and the individual spirit of man.
These scriptures you have quoted deal with the customs of marriage among
the Hebrew who were, until this time, themselves slaves with the marriage
customs of slaves. You think you have discovered passages dealing with
slavery, but you have not. You have found scriptures instructing people in
the new ways of freedom of which they were not accustomed. It is true these
ways do not seem so free to us today, but our freedom has evolved over maybe
three thousand years or so.
I am only Hebrew by circumcision of the heart, so I am no expert of their
customs, but these were days where the political unit was family and tribal.
When a man took a wife, or a woman left her family to become a wife there
were serious political alliances going on that do not operate so much in our
transient lives of today. It was often the way that a man such as Moses had
to work for a number of years for the father of the woman he wished to marry
in order to earn the right of marriage.
These men had worked out customs among themselves that were not the best
operations of law, but they were the custom of the day. At this point in
the evolutionary process of God communication to man, God was slowly
revealing a better system of law, but it was not all given at once, as man
was not ready for that. God wanted to work directly with Men with Moses as
his spokesperson....but Moses declined. Instead God tells Moses, Moses
tells Aaron, and finally Aaron tells the people. Here we are warned of the
pitfalls of relying on priests as our intermediary to God. The record goes
on to show all kinds of problems from the failings of priests. Finally,
with Jesus man will learn that he can approach God directly. Jesus was the
son of God. He becomes the model. From Jesus we learn to pray, Our Father
who art in Heaven. Only sons and daughters call God Father. Sons and
daughters don't have to communicate with their fathers through
intermediaries. They become their own priest..........but it took a
thousand years to get to this point, and three thousand years later many
have not yet learned to call God Father, and still require priests.
So you stumble upon early instructions designed to free men and women from
their own self-imposed shackles of marriage rules in a very archaic day much
different than our own today and have mistaken them for rules dealing with
slaves.
There are rules concerning slavery in the Old Testament, and in the New, but
these are not what you think they are. If you wish to free yourself from
your misconceptions on the Bible's treatment of slavery. I suggest that you
start reading that Bible at the beginning and trace the fall of man (which
is necessary for the eventual full individualism and harmonious freedom of
man which does not yet operate as a harmonious reality but is the goal of
life) through his stumbling redemption. You will see how men allow
themselves to fall into bondage in so many ways contrary to the intent of
God. You will see how God deals with the resultant institution of slavery,
even as in the New Testament where slaves who have not yet learned to be
free are instructed in the ways of easing the servitude they accept while
awaiting the recognition and acceptance of the freedom that is theirs for
the taking.
Sorry I used so many words, but it is written that scripture is not for
private interpretation. I think that means every scripture must be read and
considered in light of every other scripture.
I would expand that to mean that every meaningful lesson of life must be
considered in the light of every other lesson of life. As wonderful as the
Holy Bible is...........it is just the key to the rest of it. In the rocks,
you will find written the rest of the story. Read the Bible in Spirit and
you will see reference to the rocks which tells the story of Earth and sing
praises of God. People that bury themselves in the letter of the scripture
rather than expand themselves into the Spirit of scripture contract into
tense little knots of ignorance....spiritual black holes if you will.
If you felt a small weight lifting from you as you read those words, you are
not the spiritless atheist you pretend to be. That tiny sense of weight
leaving you was the Spirit of God always trying to reach you in any way you
will receive It. Relax the tight knot of darkness that you make of yourself
and pay attention to the scripture that is written all around you.
Truth is Truth. God is Truth! God is light! In the sky there are lights
that rule the darkness. Each light is a far away star....a rock of light
that exists as a testimony of truth.
Think of those stars as pages of the Word far beyond our current ability to
read. We must understand the pages at hand before we are ready to read
those that await us in the Heavens.
Slavery still exists today. Don't kid yourself. Jesus came to set us free,
but all around us people wear the shackles of bondage. You buy something on
credit, you can feel the bondage pulling at you, ensnaring you until you can
hardly move. The scripture you make light of tells you, "Owe no man!" I am
free....are you? There is a far greater depth to that scripture......and
the infinite knowledge it points to than you may have imagined.
Perhaps you owe a little money, and you'd like to excuse it with something
like, I need a car to get to work, or the only way I could afford my own
home was to buy it on credit. Yeah, those are the same ways people of the
Old Testament and the New found themselves in slavery. When you read rules
that lighten the burden of slavery....don't think it endorses
slavery......it only seeks to make slavery less painful. Many owe more than
they can pay. There is a way to be free, but until they stop owing
man....there are ways for them to behave to make the pain of bondage hurt
less.
In one other way will I try to reach you and then I will leave you to your
own means. A mother will tell her child to keep its hands out of the fire.
So the child disobeys and has a burn. The mother tells the child how to
dress the burn. What kind of child accuses the mother of endorsing the
burn? A child must be free to explore the fire. That is the gift of
freedom. The burn that happens is the price of freedom. The burn can heal.
It is the process of life!
Randy R. Cox
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06 Oct 2005 05:05:31 AM |
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"Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> said:
People that bury themselves in the letter of the scripture
rather than expand themselves into the Spirit of scripture contract into
tense little knots of ignorance....spiritual black holes if you will.
Yes -- God is so great He can work His wonders without even existing.
--- Jim07D5
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06 Oct 2005 06:18:10 AM |
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"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> said:
People that bury themselves in the letter of the scripture
rather than expand themselves into the Spirit of scripture contract into
tense little knots of ignorance....spiritual black holes if you will.
Yes -- God is so great He can work His wonders without even existing.
--- Jim07D5
You want me to argue with that logic. I won't. A monk would tell you, you
could go up into a cave with that thought and find enlightenment just by
letting that thought bounce around in your head for a decade or two.
Now that was a good question, but here is one more to the point. Did monks
evolve from monkeys? Is the concept monk a reduction of the concept monkey.
To take this thought farther. Is mo less or mo than monk?
This is the stuff black holes are made from.
This next step to Nirvana is:
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06 Oct 2005 01:45:33 PM |
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"Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> said:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> said:
People that bury themselves in the letter of the scripture
rather than expand themselves into the Spirit of scripture contract into
tense little knots of ignorance....spiritual black holes if you will.
Yes -- God is so great He can work His wonders without even existing.
--- Jim07D5
You want me to argue with that logic. I won't. A monk would tell you, you
could go up into a cave with that thought and find enlightenment just by
letting that thought bounce around in your head for a decade or two.
Yes, it was intended a provocation, of sorts, but not only of you. I
say that anyone -- theist or nontheist -- who does not feel a little
disputatious about this statement *has* achieved a higher level of
enlightenment than those who do feel it. Or they are just laid-back by
nature.;-)
But I would be attracted to a religion if it had this proposition at
the center of its theology.
--- Jim07D5
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06 Oct 2005 01:00:34 PM |
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Randy Cox wrote:
If you fully understood, created in the image of God, then you'd
know
that
slavery is self-imposed. You don't even have to read scripture to
know
that.
If your reading comprehension were slightly better you would recall
the
several passages in Leviticus in which GOD outlines the rules of
slavery...
Including that wonderful family value of selling your own daughter
into
slavery.
--
You want to quote from that. I hate to wade through all that sacrifice
stuff. I don't see what your talking about.
Randy R. Cox
Ask, and ye shall receive.....:
Exodus-
"21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not
go
out as the menservants do.
"21:8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself,
then
shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall
have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
"21:9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her
after the manner of daughters."
QED
None of those scriptures came from Leviticus.
I was addressing the slavery issue with specific information of selling your
own child, not the book of Leviticus. Nothing in your post indicated that it
was limited to Leviticus.
These came from Exodus.
You certainly are the astute observer this morning.
The
Bible is a record of the evolution of Man's separation from his Creator
and
his reconciliation.
No it isn't. It is a book of fables and fiction.
Furthermore, I don't believe in your god, nor anyone else's. A question was
asked, I answered it, and backed my words up with quoted Scripture.
I have no inclination to wade through your apologetics that are based on the
unproven premise of the existence of a god/God(tm)/Yahweh/Allah, or divine
diety of any sort, let alone *your* particular version.
Exchange terminated.
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
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06 Oct 2005 02:12:04 PM |
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In talk.atheism Randy Cox <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
None of those scriptures came from Leviticus. These came from Exodus. The
Bible is a record of the evolution of Man's separation from his Creator and
his reconciliation. In context to that, these scriptures are new law issued
to the Hebrew people following their liberation from slavery under the
Egyptians. Heretofore, they had been living under Egyptian law and as
slaves. How they got themselves enslaved is another story. God has just
given Moses the famous Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact these same
laws were codified in other parts of the world individually and this was the
first time such revolutionary and just laws had been gathered in one place
as cohesive rules of behavior
Read some history. The Code of Hammurabi dates back to 1780BC or so and the
exodus was around 1300-1400BC. Looks like the code came WAY before your 10
demands by several hundred years.
<snip>
--
Mike
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07 Oct 2005 08:50:39 AM |
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<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
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In talk.atheism Randy Cox <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God has just
given Moses the famous Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact these same
laws were codified in other parts of the world individually and this was
the
first time such revolutionary and just laws had been gathered in one
place
as cohesive rules of behavior
Read some history. The Code of Hammurabi dates back to 1780BC or so and
the
exodus was around 1300-1400BC. Looks like the code came WAY before your 10
demands by several hundred years.
You just want to argue. The Code of Hammurabi and other laws from earlier
sources were exactly why I inserted that part. I've read history. I
haven't read all the history that is. I've read the history written in the
rocks, but there is more written than I have read.
However, The Code of Hammurabi is the first known "Code" but it does not
include all the rules of the Ten Commandments and it includes some rules
that are not so useful.....like trial by water. One accused of violating
the code was allowed to jump into the River. If he didn't drown, he was
considered innocent.
It occurs to me that the adaptation of "trial by water" as practiced by John
the Baptist was an improvement. Under John's system , one could throw
themselves in the water (shallow waters) and have their sins washed away.
In every way I can I try to use these dialogues to expand the minds of those
who engage. Why do so many try so hard to wrap themselves up in
restrictions? A hundred years ago or so Freud brought this painful and
convoluted system of human therapy designed to help the mentally ill and
those with emotional scars from their past. Today with NLP there is instant
therapy that does the same thing as John's baptism. With John's baptism, if
one believed the water washed away the scar tissue, guilt, or sin.......then
that is what happened.
In NLP people go into trance and reframe their past experiences to positive
rather than negative. It is all part of the evolutionary process of
reconciling ourselves from imperfection towards perfection. They baptize
themselves in positive and reframed memories. They replace scars that block
their future with new memories that clean their minds and enable their
future.
The Bible is a record of that same evolutionary process from a Semitic
perspective. After Jesus the progress was shared with other cultures. As
much as you'd like to freeze me in the frames of closed minded people who
slap people around with the stacked paper and words of that Bible, it just
doesn't work. That is not the Bible I use.
I use the unabridged version........the one that is inclusive of all truth
that exists. The Spirit that can be found in that Bible moved over the
whole Earth..........not just the "Holy Lands". Where ever there is
Truth........there is God.
If you see any truth at all, as you did when you noted the existence of
Hammurabi's Code, then you are seeing one more facet of God. I don't care
what you call it....or how you deny it. If it is true; it is a
manifestation of God. The Great Mystery! The Alpha-Omega! The Cosmos!
The He That Is Who He Is Therefore The Eternal I Am.
I don't want to get into the details, and I don't have time to argue this
point so if someone lifts it, I'll ignore it, but......even Satan is a
manifestation of God.
If I look into your dead eyes and see a spark of life....I see God! I love
God..........so I love you. Sometimes I don't see. Sometimes all I see is
your dead eyes. Well, I'm still looking! Some people close their eyes,
grab a hunk of paper and ink with a black cover and gold lead lettering and
say, "This is all there is!"
I don't do that! I also don't take that part of truth that is in that dead
paper and ink and declare it lies. Instead I lift truth from those dead
pages and let the Spirit give those words life when I can.
Randy R. Cox
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07 Oct 2005 02:40:35 PM |
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In talk.atheism Randy Cox <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
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In talk.atheism Randy Cox <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God has just
given Moses the famous Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact these same
laws were codified in other parts of the world individually and this was
the
first time such revolutionary and just laws had been gathered in one
place
as cohesive rules of behavior
Read some history. The Code of Hammurabi dates back to 1780BC or so and
the
exodus was around 1300-1400BC. Looks like the code came WAY before your 10
demands by several hundred years.
You just want to argue.
Uh, no, I just wanted to correct you.
The Code of Hammurabi and other laws from earlier
sources were exactly why I inserted that part. I've read history. I
haven't read all the history that is. I've read the history written in the
rocks, but there is more written than I have read.
If you've read history, then why the blatant misstatement? Here, let me
quote yourself for you:
"[The ten commandments] was the first time such revolutionary and just laws
had been gathered in one place as cohesive rules of behavior."
Sorry, but the Code was at least ONE place where "such revolutionary and
just laws had been gathered in one place as cohesive rules of behavior" and
it not only was far more comprehensive but pre-dates your ten commandments
by over 300 years. Please do try to keep up with the program here.
However, The Code of Hammurabi is the first known "Code" but it does not
include all the rules of the Ten Commandments and it includes some rules
that are not so useful.....like trial by water. One accused of violating
the code was allowed to jump into the River. If he didn't drown, he was
considered innocent.
Sorry but you didn't say "...these exact laws had been gathered..." but instead
said "...such revolutionary and just laws..." The Code was not only as
revolutionary (if not more so) than the 10 demands but it was far MORE just
in that it allowed for punishments, etc. instead of just leaving it up to
the whim of the punisher.
<snip another ton of apologetic crap>
--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
D rink?
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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07 Oct 2005 04:38:26 PM |
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Randy Cox wrote:
<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
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In talk.atheism Randy Cox <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God has just
given Moses the famous Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact
these same laws were codified in other parts of the world
individually and this was the
first time such revolutionary and just laws had been gathered
in one place
as cohesive rules of behavior
Read some history. The Code of Hammurabi dates back to 1780BC
or so and the
exodus was around 1300-1400BC. Looks like the code came WAY
before your 10 demands by several hundred years.
(Piggybacking)
Exodus says that god lead the Israelites out through the
wilderness to avoid the war like Phillistines on the coast.
The Philistines only landed there in the 8th year of Rameses III
and only escaped encampments with the end of Egyptian military
presence in Canaan, about 1150 BCE.
There is no possible way exodus was 1300 - 1400 BCE.
In fact, exodus is now known and admitted to have never occured
at all by modern Near Eastern archaeologists and historians, the
bible is faux history.
The earliest parts of the OT were written down about 800 - 700
BCE.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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07 Oct 2005 06:27:40 PM |
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In talk.atheism wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Randy Cox wrote:
<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
news:8Ge1f.627$bm.429@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
In talk.atheism Randy Cox <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God has just
given Moses the famous Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact
these same laws were codified in other parts of the world
individually and this was the
first time such revolutionary and just laws had been gathered
in one place
as cohesive rules of behavior
Read some history. The Code of Hammurabi dates back to 1780BC
or so and the
exodus was around 1300-1400BC. Looks like the code came WAY
before your 10 demands by several hundred years.
(Piggybacking)
Exodus says that god lead the Israelites out through the
wilderness to avoid the war like Phillistines on the coast.
The Philistines only landed there in the 8th year of Rameses III
and only escaped encampments with the end of Egyptian military
presence in Canaan, about 1150 BCE.
There is no possible way exodus was 1300 - 1400 BCE.
In fact, exodus is now known and admitted to have never occured
at all by modern Near Eastern archaeologists and historians, the
bible is faux history.
The earliest parts of the OT were written down about 800 - 700
BCE.
I was just going based on the dates that those who do still believe the
exodus happened think that it happened in. If it happened at all, it
happened no earlier than 1400BC or so.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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07 Oct 2005 11:15:25 PM |
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wrote:
In talk.atheism wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Randy Cox wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:8Ge1f.627$bm.429@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
In talk.atheism Randy Cox <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God has just
given Moses the famous Ten Commandments. As a matter of
fact these same laws were codified in other parts of the
world individually and this was the
first time such revolutionary and just laws had been
gathered in one place
as cohesive rules of behavior
Read some history. The Code of Hammurabi dates back to
1780BC or so and the
exodus was around 1300-1400BC. Looks like the code came WAY
before your 10 demands by several hundred years.
(Piggybacking)
Exodus says that god lead the Israelites out through the
wilderness to avoid the war like Phillistines on the coast.
The Philistines only landed there in the 8th year of Rameses
III and only escaped encampments with the end of Egyptian
military presence in Canaan, about 1150 BCE.
There is no possible way exodus was 1300 - 1400 BCE.
In fact, exodus is now known and admitted to have never
occured at all by modern Near Eastern archaeologists and
historians, the bible is faux history.
The earliest parts of the OT were written down about 800 - 700
BCE.
I was just going based on the dates that those who do still
believe the exodus happened think that it happened in. If it
happened at all, it happened no earlier than 1400BC or so.
You can fnd dates all over the place from the believers.
Many tout 1200 BCE, during the era of Rameses II.
But all ignore the bible and facts.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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08 Oct 2005 09:17:28 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:15:25 -0500, in alt.atheism
wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
<11kegu05sk7b6d8@corp.supernews.com>:
prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com wrote:
In talk.atheism wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Randy Cox wrote:
<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
news:8Ge1f.627$bm.429@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
In talk.atheism Randy Cox <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God has just
given Moses the famous Ten Commandments. As a matter of
fact these same laws were codified in other parts of the
world individually and this was the
first time such revolutionary and just laws had been
gathered in one place
as cohesive rules of behavior
Read some history. The Code of Hammurabi dates back to
1780BC or so and the
exodus was around 1300-1400BC. Looks like the code came WAY
before your 10 demands by several hundred years.
(Piggybacking)
Exodus says that god lead the Israelites out through the
wilderness to avoid the war like Phillistines on the coast.
The Philistines only landed there in the 8th year of Rameses
III and only escaped encampments with the end of Egyptian
military presence in Canaan, about 1150 BCE.
There is no possible way exodus was 1300 - 1400 BCE.
In fact, exodus is now known and admitted to have never
occured at all by modern Near Eastern archaeologists and
historians, the bible is faux history.
The earliest parts of the OT were written down about 800 - 700
BCE.
I was just going based on the dates that those who do still
believe the exodus happened think that it happened in. If it
happened at all, it happened no earlier than 1400BC or so.
You can fnd dates all over the place from the believers.
Many tout 1200 BCE, during the era of Rameses II.
But all ignore the bible and facts.
Isn't it impossible to include all of the Biblical claims and still get
the story to fit into any period?
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09 Oct 2005 05:36:12 AM |
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Yup.
but we knew that anyway.
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06 Oct 2005 05:35:18 PM |
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Randy Cox wrote:
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yahoooY.com> wrote in message
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Randy Cox wrote:
If you fully understood, created in the image of God,
then you'd know
that
slavery is self-imposed. You don't even have to read
scripture to
know
that.
If your reading comprehension were slightly better you
would recall the
several passages in Leviticus in which GOD outlines the
rules of slavery...
Including that wonderful family value of selling your own
daughter into slavery.
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You want to quote from that. I hate to wade through all that
sacrifice
stuff. I don't see what your talking about.
Randy R. Cox
Ask, and ye shall receive.....:
Exodus-
"21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she
shall not go out as the menservants do.
"21:8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to
himself, then
shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange
nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt
deceitfully with her.
"21:9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal
with her after the manner of daughters."
QED
None of those scriptures came from Leviticus. These came from
Exodus. The Bible is a record of the evolution of Man's
separation from his Creator and
When did the commands of god found in Exodus stop being commands
of god?
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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07 Oct 2005 09:00:08 AM |
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"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11kb8kj26059af4@corp.supernews.com...
When did the commands of god found in Exodus stop being commands
of god?
Once there was a mother with a son that had never played outside his house.
The mother made a quilt upon the grass in the backyard, placed the son on
the quilt and said, "Stay on the quilt!"
Many years later as the son was approaching his middle years and memories of
his life were being studied and lifted from the total history, a stranger
asked:
When did your Mothers command to "Stay on the quilt!" stop being commands.
Randy R. Cox
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07 Oct 2005 02:42:03 PM |
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In talk.atheism Randy Cox <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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When did the commands of god found in Exodus stop being commands
of god?
Once there was a mother with a son that had never played outside his house.
The mother made a quilt upon the grass in the backyard, placed the son on
the quilt and said, "Stay on the quilt!"
Many years later as the son was approaching his middle years and memories of
his life were being studied and lifted from the total history, a stranger
asked:
When did your Mothers command to "Stay on the quilt!" stop being commands.
When she changed it. When did god change the laws allowing slavery, stoning
of insolent children, killing of witches, etc?
Randy R. Cox
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Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
-------------------------------
The only product that Micro$oft could produce that *wouldn't* suck would be a
vacuum cleaner..
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07 Oct 2005 05:08:21 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:42:03 GMT, in alt.atheism
prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com wrote in
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In talk.atheism Randy Cox <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11kb8kj26059af4@corp.supernews.com...
When did the commands of god found in Exodus stop being commands
of god?
Once there was a mother with a son that had never played outside his house.
The mother made a quilt upon the grass in the backyard, placed the son on
the quilt and said, "Stay on the quilt!"
Many years later as the son was approaching his middle years and memories of
his life were being studied and lifted from the total history, a stranger
asked:
When did your Mothers command to "Stay on the quilt!" stop being commands.
When she changed it. When did god change the laws allowing slavery, stoning
of insolent children, killing of witches, etc?
Luckily for us, no gods ever gave us those rules.
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07 Oct 2005 12:24:17 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:00:08 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net>
wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11kb8kj26059af4@corp.supernews.com...
When did the commands of god found in Exodus stop being commands
of god?
Once there was a mother with a son that had never played outside his house.
The mother made a quilt upon the grass in the backyard, placed the son on
the quilt and said, "Stay on the quilt!"
Many years later as the son was approaching his middle years and memories of
his life were being studied and lifted from the total history, a stranger
asked:
When did your Mothers command to "Stay on the quilt!" stop being commands.
Demonstrate that this pretend friend you call "God" that you keep
rationalising, exists to the same level of confidence as your mother -
then you might have something to say.
Randy R. Cox
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07 Oct 2005 10:16:25 AM |
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Randy Cox wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11kb8kj26059af4@corp.supernews.com...
When did the commands of god found in Exodus stop being
commands of god?
Once there was a mother with a son that had never played
outside his house. The mother made a quilt upon the grass in
the backyard, placed the son on the quilt and said, "Stay on
the quilt!"
Many years later as the son was approaching his middle years
and memories of his life were being studied and lifted from the
total history, a stranger asked:
When did your Mothers command to "Stay on the quilt!" stop
being commands.
Randy R. Cox
Not an answer. When did commands of god become optional?
If you say you realized these commands were not from god, but
pretenders, thst is the only correct answer.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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07 Oct 2005 11:46:27 AM |
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"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Randy Cox wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11kb8kj26059af4@corp.supernews.com...
When did the commands of god found in Exodus stop being
commands of god?
Once there was a mother with a son that had never played
outside his house. The mother made a quilt upon the grass in
the backyard, placed the son on the quilt and said, "Stay on
the quilt!"
Many years later as the son was approaching his middle years
and memories of his life were being studied and lifted from the
total history, a stranger asked:
When did your Mothers command to "Stay on the quilt!" stop
being commands.
Randy R. Cox
Not an answer. When did commands of god become optional?
If you say you realized these commands were not from god, but
pretenders, thst is the only correct answer.
Look! I can not impart to you my whole lifetime of realization. I can tell
you I have not realized all there is to realize. In other places, I have
said that all things come from God. I don't know what you know and what you
don't know of my realizations. So I give you a parable. If you can see
truth in the metaphor and apply it to your question, then you have your
answer. It will be inclusive of all that you realized before the parable
plus whatever you realized after it.
I can tell you that the spirit of some men is more mature today than in the
day the rules of Exodus were given. A mother's child moves fresh into the
world. First there are rules of the house, then there are rules of the
quilt in the yard, then comes rules for the yard.
The day comes the child crosses the street that first it was commanded not
to cross. The eventual crossing of the street does not negate the earlier
command "Not to cross the street". The first experimental crossing of the
street may well FULFILL the early command to "Not cross the street!"
Here is another way to look at it. There is just not enough space in this
post to explain all that applies to your question. First command of God
was..........."don't eat from this tree!" Man ate from the tree....and in
that moment he changed from being the instinctive animal to a thinking
animal. He changed the moment he even thought about disobedience. That was
the first expression of free will. That was the part where man's creation
was finished....when he was indeed in the image of God........but not really
finished because now he had free will, he has to learn to live in harmony
with other free will. That is an evolutionary process that continues to
this day.
A man emerging from the instincts of animals to a creature of free will
learning to harmonize with other creatures of free will learns rules of
behavior. In the process of his life there will be clashes from which he
learns or doesn't learn. He will discover new rules.
God gives life! Life gives experiences. From experiences are born rules,
new rules, and newer rules. The march is not always forward, sometimes we
fall back before moving forward again.
NOW! Here is your answer! Creation is the entire process of life.
Creation describes the expansion part of the expansion and contraction of
Existence. God is a term for the Beginning and the End of all that!
Some will argue whether the story of the Bible is actual or metaphorical.
I'll not argue at that level. It is foolish. I believe that energy is
intelligent. I believe that the base of all energy and ultimately matter
is..........intelligence. So all things are metaphor! All things exist by
a word.......or by a concept. So a story is reality! If a story
exists....it is real! If there is truth in the story....the story is true!
We think matter exists, lined up relative to all other matter making stories
as one becomes aware of that relationship of matter to other matter over
time. The reassembly of that experience is story whether played as a movie
privately in the head or written on paper to share with others.
We can think matter exists.......but we can't know it! Physical experience
is as real in a dream as it is in the real world.......until the dream is
over. We can dream we are dreaming. When one dream is over, the next dream
may not be over as we contemplate the last dream as a dream. We know we
think and dream.........because it is impossible to make us think we think
unless we actually do think, the only thing we can be sure of is that we
think!
So the thinking is the only thing we know is real! The rest is
questionable. The rest only exists for us because we think.
So if thinking is intelligent..........then all is intelligent design.
I really doubt you will have read all that I have written here. That is why
I first answered with a question of my own. I've gone this far, I'll go a
little farther. I have skipped over and left out a lot of the meaning of
life that I know about, plus all that I don't know about.
Many here who do not read all that I write will think me just another
narrow minded God in a Box anti-intellectual. From the beginning I keep
pointing out that the Bible is a story of evolution. It is not all of the
story, but there is a reason why I value it. I'll share that since you're
not really reading this anyway.
Life is an uncomfortable jungle of everything eating everything else. Note
the first command in the Bible was not to eat........and the eating happened
anyway. The jungle began. Most of the unpleasant part of existence is
because one thing desires to eat the other.
Part the grass and look down into the micro forest. You'll see a fierce
jungle of life, things crawling and killing and eating. Same with a drop of
water. It teems with life and all that life is struggling. Without the
struggle there is no life.
But though the struggle is hard, few of us prefer the alternative. The
Bible promises a day when the lion and the lamb will exist in peace with
each other. That is a metaphor that points to a new existence when the old
one has "fulfilled" Right now, the intelligence that holds all concepts of
life and reality together does so within the limits of plus and minis =
zero. Good-Evil =zero Light - Dark= zero. All things balance to the whole
of zero. To have pleasure we have to have pain.
Now the intelligence that bears all of this has the unfulfilled concept of
an existence where the struggle ceases.......yet the existence does not.
That is the lion laying down with the sheep. Think that is a simple
concept? Try to visualize an existence where one thing does not have to
suffer for another to thrive. The food chain disappears. Imagine a
computer game where you only win, you never lose. That would be boring, but
try to imagine one where you only win, never lose, but it never gets boring.
Now that is goal the Bible is talking about. We are created in the image of
God....but we can't flesh out a concept like that because we haven't
fulfilled the one we are currently experiencing.......the everything is
eating everything else concept.
I prefer all of my pain that I can experience all of my pleasure. Right
now, as I write this, I have lost almost a whole months worth of gains in
the stock market. It hurts...........but it is better than not having
played at all. My hope is that I will win that all back...........but my
real hope is that in someway the Great Mystery will someday move into an
even greater dimension having conquered the pain and all the negatives
keeping only positives and more positives. That is the ultimate aim of the
King James version of the Bible.........and you can read it anyway you want
to..........but I read it as truth greater still than I can understand.
Randy R. Cox
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07 Oct 2005 06:33:06 PM |
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In article <11kd9ua6r9r1kb4@corp.supernews.com>,
"Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11kd39ggtf9gs27@corp.supernews.com...
Randy Cox wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11kb8kj26059af4@corp.supernews.com...
When did the commands of god found in Exodus stop being
commands of god?
Once there was a mother with a son that had never played
outside his house. The mother made a quilt upon the grass in
the backyard, placed the son on the quilt and said, "Stay on
the quilt!"
Many years later as the son was approaching his middle years
and memories of his life were being studied and lifted from the
total history, a stranger asked:
When did your Mothers command to "Stay on the quilt!" stop
being commands.
Randy R. Cox
Not an answer. When did commands of god become optional?
If you say you realized these commands were not from god, but
pretenders, thst is the only correct answer.
Look! I can not impart to you my whole lifetime of realization. I can tell
you I have not realized all there is to realize. In other places, I have
said that all things come from God. I don't know what you know and what you
don't know of my realizations. So I give you a parable. If you can see
truth in the metaphor and apply it to your question, then you have your
answer. It will be inclusive of all that you realized before the parable
plus whatever you realized after it...
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Jesus, Randy! He asked you a question -- it is what we would call a
"when" question -- the answer would be a "time".
And (being unable to answer him) you go off on a tangent with a
parable about a kid on a quilt.
Then you ramble on about struggle, harmony, creation, expansion and
contraction, metaphor, reality, pain, pleasure, and then you wind up
with the stock market, for Christ's sake!
Can't you just say you don't know? Is that too much for you? At
one time God commanded us to kill infidels, sell our children, and
be good to our slaves. You claim that this is no longer the word.
The question was, "When did it change?" "At what point in time
could we ignore the commands of God?"
Like many creationists who post here, you take the "salad bar"
approach: Pick and choose what you want to believe and ignore the
rest.
The Bible is full of horrible and bloody examples of sickening
inhumanity, all justified because some guy (Adam) ate an apple?
Get off it!
earle
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San Francisco Chronicle -- today -- 10/7/05:
BUSH SAID GOD TOLD HIM TO INVADE
Palestinian officials confirm comments from documentary
by Matthew Kalman
Chronicle Foreign Service
Jerusalem -- President Bush told two high-ranking Palestinian
officials that he had been told by God to invade Afghanistan and
Iraq and then create a Palestinian state to bring peace to the
Middle East, they recall during a documentary on Middle East peace
that airs next week in Britain.
"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from
God,'" said Nabil Shaath, who was the Palestinian foreign minister
at the time of a top-level meeting with Bush in June 2003. Mahmoud
Abbas, then Palestinian prime minister and now the Palestinian
Authority president, was also present for the conversation with Bush.
"God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in
Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George, go and
end the tyranny in Iraq...' And I did. And now, again, I feel
God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and
get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.'
And by God I'm gonna do it," Shaath quotes the president as saying
in the three-part series.
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06 Oct 2005 01:31:05 PM |
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Randy Cox wrote:
None of those scriptures came from Leviticus. These came from Exodus. The
Bible is a record of the evolution of Man's separation from his Creator and
his reconciliation. In context to that, these scriptures are new law issued
to the Hebrew people following their liberation from slavery under the
Egyptians. Heretofore, they had been living under Egyptian law and as
slaves. How they got themselves enslaved is another story. God has just
given Moses the famous Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact these same
laws were codified in other parts of the world individually and this was the
first time such revolutionary and just laws had been gathered in one place
as cohesive rules of behavior as God begins the process of bringing some
discipline back to mankind who have been living in wanton rebellion against
all authority except the brutality of the sword.
Are you out of your mind? There is no way the tem commandments can be
described as just
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| User: "Charles & Mambo Duckman" |
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| Title: Re: Bible says life evolved! |
06 Oct 2005 11:17:32 AM |
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Randy Cox wrote:
[a whole bunch of appologetic ***** stretching over almost 500 lines in a
futile attempt to justify selling children into slavery]
I haven't heard so much crap since the last Bush speech.
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Come down off the cross
We can use the wood
Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House
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| User: "Crash" |
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| Title: Re: Bible says life evolved! |
05 Oct 2005 08:19:18 PM |
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Google is fun AND EASY:
http://etori.tripod.com/slave-verses.html
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Bible says life evolved! |
06 Oct 2005 05:33:13 PM |
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Randy Cox wrote:
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yahoooY.com> wrote in message
news:%wY0f.17466$Q53.5805@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Crash" <sourcenexus@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1128550148.292318.134860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Randy Cox wrote:
If you fully understood, created in the image of God, then
you'd know
that
slavery is self-imposed. You don't even have to read
scripture to know that.
If your reading comprehension were slightly better you would
recall the several passages in Leviticus in which GOD
outlines the rules of slavery...
Including that wonderful family value of selling your own
daughter into slavery.
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You want to quote from that. I hate to wade through all that
sacrifice
stuff. I don't see what your talking about.
Exodus 21:7-10
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall
not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to
himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a
strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt
deceitfully with her. (please...: Heb. be evil in the eyes of,
etc)
9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with
her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he take him another wife ; her food, her raiment, and her
duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out
free without money.
"Shut up and behave or I'll sell you to some ugly, old man."
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The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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