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"James" |
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29 Sep 2005 02:25:28 PM |
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Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. "
-Numbers 31:17-18
Yang
<snipped obscenities>
Hello,
You have not researched the Bible enough to understand the meaning of
those verses.
As Ex 23:7 says, God had forbid an Israelite to kill the innocent or
righteous. But what really is righteousness? According to the Bible,
since God is our Creator, He determines what is righteous and what is
wicked, not an Israelite, etc. If God determines a group of people to
be destroyed, then they have done something to bring the calamity on
themselves.
Remember also from an earlier discussion, God holds parents
responsible for their children. Even today in some countries, if a
child breaks certain laws, the law holds the parent responsible and
fines and/or imprisonment is directed towards the parent(s). Thus it
is the responsibility of a parent to not violate God's laws because
his children are depending upon him.
So in the scriptures mentioned above, any children destroyed was
because of the wicked acts of their parents. Their parents are to
blame, not God.
Concerning Nu 31:17,18, the Midianites manifested hostility toward the
Israelites. They cooperated with the Moabites in hiring the prophet
Balaam to curse Israel. (Nu 22:4-7) When this failed, the Midianites
and Moabites, at Balaam's advice, cunningly used their women to induce
thousands of Israelite males to become involved in sexual immorality
and idolatry in connection with Baal of Peor. (thus, these woman were
not very 'innocent') Thousands of Israelites were killed for their
sins. But the Midianites were not to go unpunished either. With the
exception of the virgins, all, including the five kings of Midian-Evi,
Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba were put to death.
It was against Israelite law to rape or molest females, whether they
were foreign captives or not. Thus the virgins spared here would not
have been used for immoral purposes. However, they were available as
WIVES for Israelite solders.
Sincerely, James
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| User: "Jon Stoll" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
29 Sep 2005 11:34:16 AM |
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"James" <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in message
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eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. "
-Numbers 31:17-18
Yang
<snipped obscenities>
Hello,
You have not researched the Bible enough to understand the meaning of
those verses.
As Ex 23:7 says, God had forbid an Israelite to kill the innocent or
righteous. But what really is righteousness? According to the Bible,
since God is our Creator, He determines what is righteous and what is
wicked, not an Israelite, etc. If God determines a group of people to
be destroyed, then they have done something to bring the calamity on
themselves.
Remember also from an earlier discussion, God holds parents
responsible for their children. Even today in some countries, if a
child breaks certain laws, the law holds the parent responsible and
fines and/or imprisonment is directed towards the parent(s). Thus it
is the responsibility of a parent to not violate God's laws because
his children are depending upon him.
So in the scriptures mentioned above, any children destroyed was
because of the wicked acts of their parents. Their parents are to
blame, not God.
Concerning Nu 31:17,18, the Midianites manifested hostility toward the
Israelites. They cooperated with the Moabites in hiring the prophet
Balaam to curse Israel. (Nu 22:4-7) When this failed, the Midianites
and Moabites, at Balaam's advice, cunningly used their women to induce
thousands of Israelite males to become involved in sexual immorality
and idolatry in connection with Baal of Peor. (thus, these woman were
not very 'innocent') Thousands of Israelites were killed for their
sins. But the Midianites were not to go unpunished either. With the
exception of the virgins, all, including the five kings of Midian-Evi,
Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba were put to death.
It was against Israelite law to rape or molest females, whether they
were foreign captives or not. Thus the virgins spared here would not
have been used for immoral purposes. However, they were available as
WIVES for Israelite solders.
Sincerely, James
Sincerely, James, you are one confused and delusional person.
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
29 Sep 2005 04:20:40 PM |
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"James" <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in message
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eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. "
-Numbers 31:17-18
Yang
<snipped obscenities>
Hello,
You have not researched the Bible enough to understand the meaning of
those verses.
As Ex 23:7 says, God had forbid an Israelite to kill the innocent or
righteous. But what really is righteousness? According to the Bible,
since God is our Creator, He determines what is righteous and what is
wicked, not an Israelite, etc. If God determines a group of people to
be destroyed, then they have done something to bring the calamity on
themselves.
But then if the bible god is not really our creator then we really have a
problem.
Just because some ET comes down and says "I am the Lord your God" doesn't
mean you have to believe him.
The God of the Koran says he's God too but we call his followers terrorists.
Allah is so similar to your god and many others in the world.
You should stop and think about it.
Remember also from an earlier discussion, God holds parents
responsible for their children. Even today in some countries, if a
child breaks certain laws, the law holds the parent responsible and
fines and/or imprisonment is directed towards the parent(s). Thus it
is the responsibility of a parent to not violate God's laws because
his children are depending upon him.
So in the scriptures mentioned above, any children destroyed was
because of the wicked acts of their parents. Their parents are to
blame, not God.
Well God is *our* parent is he not?
Doesn't that make him responsible for us in the same way?
--
Andrew W.
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Rob Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
29 Sep 2005 12:38:32 PM |
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"James" <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in message
news:psdoj11offui6appc0a7r2iicmgb96nvmu@4ax.com...
eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. "
-Numbers 31:17-18
Yang
<snipped obscenities>
Hello,
You have not researched the Bible enough to understand the meaning of
those verses.
The vile piece of crap you worship, if it existed would be the worst most
horrible thing to ever have existed. However, your imaginary magic guy is
just that, imaginary.
Your magic book is the same book the KKK uses to justify their racism. In
spite of your weak attempt to say otherwise it does paint a picture of your
magic guy that is worse than the worst human ever to have lived. It is a
useless piece of nonsense, flush it, now, along with any Koran's you can lay
your hands on.
Rob Brown
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| User: "RawTruth" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
29 Sep 2005 03:20:19 PM |
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"Rob Brown" <bbrown@csmflorida.com> wrote in message
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"James" <arox@surfbest.net> wrote in message
news:psdoj11offui6appc0a7r2iicmgb96nvmu@4ax.com...
eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. "
-Numbers 31:17-18
Yang
<snipped obscenities>
Hello,
You have not researched the Bible enough to understand the meaning of
those verses.
The vile piece of crap you worship, if it existed would be the worst most
horrible thing to ever have existed me think. However, your imaginary
magic
guy is just that. me like puf smoke and like magic
Your magic book is the same book the KKK uses to justify their racism. All
jews wear white hoods too. Me think all history made up.In spite of your
weak attempt to say otherwise it does paint a picture of your magic guy
that
is worse than the worst human ever to have lived. My not understans what
deity mean. Me think God mean man. Me confused. It is a useless piece of
nonsense, like school text book, flush it, now, along with any other book
you
can lay your hands on. Me so angry! Me stomp fetus with foot! Me go now to
listen Cindy Sheehan. Rob Brown
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| User: "HMS Beagle" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
29 Sep 2005 08:34:08 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:20:19 -0400, "RawTruth" <me@alltel.net> wrote:
eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. "
-Numbers 31:17-18
This is the chapter describing Moses bringing togethor the tribes to
conquer the Medianites, which they succeeded. They didn't want any
of the females who were PREGNANT by Medianite men. Because in the
Bible, women are seen as a mere incubator of the man's seed.
This not the only place in the Bible which described women like this.
I wonder how many verses we have to post to show how stupid and
backward that sacred text is.
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
30 Sep 2005 03:08:50 AM |
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James wrote:
eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. "
-Numbers 31:17-18
<snipped obscenities>
Hello,
You have not researched the Bible enough to understand the meaning of
those verses.
For the record verses mean nothing out of context. So what is your point? They are just words.
--
Israel is getting an extra $2.2 Billion this year because they
are really nice guys. In Yiddish they are called Schnorrers.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3485
nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml
antisemitism http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/ a1
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| User: "jamiem" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
30 Sep 2005 04:11:45 PM |
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that's old testament. we are living in the new testament era. funny how
most false claims of the bible are based off the old testament.
and you must read the bible in full context. it's written in old english
too, by the way. gotta know how to interpret that.
"Matt Giwer" <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote in message
news:mo6%e.110515$4i6.74883@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
James wrote:
eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. "
-Numbers 31:17-18
<snipped obscenities>
Hello,
You have not researched the Bible enough to understand the meaning of
those verses.
For the record verses mean nothing out of context. So what is your point?
They are just words.
--
Israel is getting an extra $2.2 Billion this year because they
are really nice guys. In Yiddish they are called Schnorrers.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3485
nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml
antisemitism http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/ a1
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
02 Oct 2005 12:26:23 AM |
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John M Price PhD wrote:
In sci.skeptic article <11jraggb687d707@corp.supernews.com> jamiem <jamiemcfarling@cableone.net> wrote:
that's old testament. we are living in the new testament era. funny how
most false claims of the bible are based off the old testament.
Matt5:17-18. Heaven & esrth are still here.
and you must read the bible in full context. it's written in old english
too, by the way. gotta know how to interpret that.
Dummy, it is in Hebrew or Greek.
The only source texts for the christian bible are either Greek (all the old and most of the new)
and a couple or three books from the new in Aramaic. Even for Aramaic, re-translators use the Greek
versions as sources. There is no known "hebrew" source which can be considered older than the Greek
Septuagint.
--
Denying the holocaust is to hating Jews as denying Jesus is to hating
(a) The New York Yankees.
(b) Alien space invaders.
(c) Christians.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3498
nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml
Old Testament http://www.giwersworld.org/bible/ot.phtml a6
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
01 Oct 2005 10:39:00 PM |
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On 01 Oct 2005 22:50:50 GMT, John M Price PhD
<jmprice@calweb.com> spake thusly:
In sci.skeptic article <11jraggb687d707@corp.supernews.com> jamiem <jamiemcfarling@cableone.net> wrote:
that's old testament. we are living in the new testament era. funny how
most false claims of the bible are based off the old testament.
Matt5:17-18. Heaven & esrth are still here.
No, the aren't.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
"All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfected,
thoroughly furnished to every good work." 2 Tim 3:16-17
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| User: "Paul Erickson" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
01 Oct 2005 08:55:36 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:11:45 -0500, "jamiem"
<jamiemcfarling@cableone.net> wrote:
that's old testament. we are living in the new testament era. funny how
most false claims of the bible are based off the old testament.
Most OT rules were never specifically retracted.
and you must read the bible in full context. it's written in old english
too, by the way. gotta know how to interpret that.
"It", presumably meaning the King James translation, is written in
early modern English.
Not a flame, just a minor correction.
Slobbering Skeleton
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
02 Oct 2005 12:29:00 AM |
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Paul Erickson wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:11:45 -0500, "jamiem"
<jamiemcfarling@cableone.net> wrote:
that's old testament. we are living in the new testament era. funny how
most false claims of the bible are based off the old testament.
Most OT rules were never specifically retracted.
Until the recent Judeo-Christian heresy it was universally agreed among Christians that the New
Covenant of the Last Supper completely replaced the Covenant of Abraham.
and you must read the bible in full context. it's written in old english
too, by the way. gotta know how to interpret that.
"It", presumably meaning the King James translation, is written in
early modern English.
Not a flame, just a minor correction.
Also note the KJV was not intended to be a literal translation.
--
No one expects the Israeli Inquisition!
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3507
nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml
flying saucers http://www.giwersworld.org/flyingsa.html a2
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
30 Sep 2005 10:27:12 PM |
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jamiem wrote:
that's old testament. we are living in the new testament era. funny how
most false claims of the bible are based off the old testament.
and you must read the bible in full context. it's written in old english
too, by the way. gotta know how to interpret that.
Actually just about every source document for the old and new testament was in Greek. So far as the
evidence goes the hebrew old testament books appeared after the Greek Septuagint.
The NT quotes from the OT come from the Septuagint.
Point being the Hebrew OT is not a legitimate source as it is likely a translation from the Greek
and a sloppy translation at that.
"Matt Giwer" <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote in message
news:mo6%e.110515$4i6.74883@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
James wrote:
eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. "
-Numbers 31:17-18
<snipped obscenities>
Hello,
You have not researched the Bible enough to understand the meaning of
those verses.
For the record verses mean nothing out of context. So what is your point?
They are just words.
--
Israel is getting an extra $2.2 Billion this year because they
are really nice guys. In Yiddish they are called Schnorrers.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3485
nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml
antisemitism http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/ a1
--
If the Iraq war showed anything it is that amateurs on the
internet are infinitely more capable than professionals in
US intelligence. They were never wrong. US intelligence
was never right.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3495
nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml
Zionism http://www.giwersworld.org/disinfo/disinfo.phtml a4
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| User: "Dianelos Georgoudis" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
30 Sep 2005 08:04:32 PM |
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James wrote:
eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. "
-Numbers 31:17-18
Yang
<snipped obscenities>
Hello,
You have not researched the Bible enough to understand the meaning of
those verses.
As Ex 23:7 says, God had forbid an Israelite to kill the innocent or
righteous. But what really is righteousness? According to the Bible,
since God is our Creator, He determines what is righteous and what is
wicked, not an Israelite, etc. If God determines a group of people to
be destroyed, then they have done something to bring the calamity on
themselves.
Remember also from an earlier discussion, God holds parents
responsible for their children. Even today in some countries, if a
child breaks certain laws, the law holds the parent responsible and
fines and/or imprisonment is directed towards the parent(s). Thus it
is the responsibility of a parent to not violate God's laws because
his children are depending upon him.
So in the scriptures mentioned above, any children destroyed was
because of the wicked acts of their parents. Their parents are to
blame, not God.
So, when the Midianites' children were slayed it was their parents'
fault; not Yahweh's who supposedly called for the killing, and not the
Israelites' who were doing it? That is an argument a Nazi could use for
justifying the killing of Jewish children at the Holocaust - you know,
"it was their parent's fault". Don't you know the simple truth that you
don't ever *ever* call for the annihilation of an entire people, and
that nothing *nothing* justifies the killing of children?
Do you have any idea how barbaric your argument above is? Do you really
think that your kind of reasoning has anything to do with the message
of Christ? Do you entertain the slightest of illusions that if Jesus
would materialize at your side he would applaud you? Have you any idea
how evil what you are saying is?
It's terribly sad to see how your adoration of the primitive texts of
the Old Testament can blind you to this extent. I am afraid you have
made the Bible into a craven image - you follow a book of paper, not
the spirit of Christ. There is a name for your religion: bibliolatry.
Concerning Nu 31:17,18, the Midianites manifested hostility toward the
Israelites. They cooperated with the Moabites in hiring the prophet
Balaam to curse Israel. (Nu 22:4-7) When this failed, the Midianites
and Moabites, at Balaam's advice, cunningly used their women to induce
thousands of Israelite males to become involved in sexual immorality
and idolatry in connection with Baal of Peor. (thus, these woman were
not very 'innocent') Thousands of Israelites were killed for their
sins. But the Midianites were not to go unpunished either. With the
exception of the virgins, all, including the five kings of Midian-Evi,
Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba were put to death.
It was against Israelite law to rape or molest females, whether they
were foreign captives or not. Thus the virgins spared here would not
have been used for immoral purposes. However, they were available as
WIVES for Israelite solders.
That's good to know. First you slaughter every one, the men and the
women, the young and the old, the babies and the sick and the mentally
retarded - but you spare the young virgins, not for any immoral
purposes, mind you, but only to have them available as wives for the
Israelite soldiers - the same who had just killed their entire
families. It's really heartwarming.
By the way, congratulations for your informative Biblical research and
your impeccable logic. You are a living demonstration how far in truth
one goes if one really puts one's mind to the study of the Bible,
instead of opening one's eyes to the light of the living Christ.
In fact your views are so absurdly wrong, I wondered whether you aren't
maybe somebody impersonating a Christian in a sneak attempt to disgust
people away from Christianity. But it seems you aren't. It appears you
really believe the things you write. How terribly sad. I am angry to
see how badly Jesus' sacrifice for love can be travestied, but mainly I
feel really sorry for you.
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| User: "Guitar George" |
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| Title: Re: Biblical Statements Consistent With Genocide |
29 Sep 2005 11:38:42 AM |
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This is an easy one, so GOD decides who is wicked and ought to be
destroyed. Well, how many deranged psychopaths claim during their
trials that GOD told them to kill. The xtian says, oh no, that was
really SATAN. Well, who's to know for sure? Yer on a really slippery
slope when you say, God said its ok for me to waste you. Welcome to the
real world where terrorists and serial killers use this excuse all the
time. Now what excuse would they have if they didn't believe in God ("I
just get off on killing??")
I don't think so.
My two cents
Guitar George
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