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Religions > Atheism |
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"Seon Ferguson" |
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06 Dec 2007 09:35:29 PM |
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Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
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1. We have a Universe that came into being
out of nothing when it didnt have to .2. We have a Universe with over
133 fine tuned , life enabling,constants for this tiny remote planet
called Earth.3. LIfe that has been observed to arise only from
existing life and not arise spontaneously.4. LIfe consists of
thousands and even millions of volumes of empirically detectable
specified complexity as found in DNA information/messages (and is
therefore more than just the non living chemicals it contains).5. LIfe
which changes cyclically and only within a limited range.6. Life which
cannot be built or modified gradually (IE: irreduciblecomplexity).7.
Life that leaves a fossil record of fully formed creatures thatappear
suddenly, do not change, and then disappear suddenly.
... An honest look at the facts suggests creation, not
macroevolution,is true. And it suggests a highly intelligent personal
Creator has been at work , not 'Natural Causes' which imply no
purpose, no ultimate meaning, nor infinite worth or dignity toward
Humankind ; yet intrinsic self worth, dignity, and meaning is
portrayed in the daily life of an atheist , when in reality if atheism
is true, there should be no confirmation thereof.
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe you
still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the Creator. Its all
a matter of faith.
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| User: "Dag Yo" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
12 Jan 2008 03:21:12 AM |
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Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
And you can't. And the anthropomorphic principal is *****.
No offense Seon, thats just one of the things that sets me off.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
20 Dec 2007 08:28:08 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:35:29 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:29da424d-e203-492b-9f78-d259aff20dd0@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
[piggybacking]
1. We have a Universe that came into being
out of nothing when it didnt have to.
We have a universe. Yes. Period.
2. We have a Universe with over
133 fine tuned , life enabling,constants for this tiny remote planet
called Earth.
People like you are so pig ignorant and dishonest it is mindblowing.
Living things on this planet have evolved to fit niches which enables
them to survive. If too much changes in a short amount of time and
the species is unable to adapt; it goes extinct.
3. LIfe that has been observed to arise only from
existing life and not arise spontaneously.
Foolish bronze age mentality. Time is a continuous 'arrow,' so to
speak. Labeling points are for convienience.
4. LIfe consists of
thousands and even millions of volumes of empirically detectable
specified complexity as found in DNA information/messages (and is
therefore more than just the non living chemicals it contains).
Batten down everything! It's a force 15 handwaving!
It is? Objective supporting evidence for your stupid empty assertion
is what?
5. LIfe which changes cyclically and only within a limited range.
Or it goes extinct. Was there some point you were trying to make, Mr.
Obvious?
6. Life which
cannot be built or modified gradually (IE: irreduciblecomplexity)
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHH
The Behe ***** aside from a statement with no point.
.7.
Life that leaves a fossil record of fully formed creatures thatappear
suddenly, do not change, and then disappear suddenly.
100% ***** as the fossil record demonstrates.
... An honest look at the facts suggests creation, not
macroevolution,is true.
Facts? What facts would those be? You've not posted any facts.
And it suggests a highly intelligent personal
Creator has been at work ,
Which leaves the celestial Abrahamic daemon deity out. OOPSIES.
It'll be the loving and eternal barbeque for you.
not 'Natural Causes' which imply no
purpose, no ultimate meaning, nor infinite worth or dignity toward
Humankind ;
Damn! The copious drooling just went into hyperdrive.
yet intrinsic self worth, dignity, and meaning is
portrayed in the daily life of an atheist , when in reality if atheism
is true, there should be no confirmation thereof.
[LMAO] at the mindless parrot. Atheism is merely the lack of theism.
Which translates to; "We're not buying your brand, or any other brand,
of horseshit and that irritates you to no end."
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe you
still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the Creator. Its all
a matter of faith.
It's a slack-jawed drooling idiot from start to finish. IOW just
another common Christian.
First thing that needs to be determined is the objective supporting
evidence the universe was manufactured. Since such evidence doesn't
exist there's nothing to consider or examine. Mental toddlers pulling
the vapid 'Santa Claus' defense routine of young children. Sad.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
06 Dec 2007 10:58:50 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> bloodied
us up with this:
<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:29da424d-e203-492b-9f78-d259aff20dd0@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com..
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1. We have a Universe that came into being
out of nothing when it didnt have to .2. We have a Universe with over
133 fine tuned , life enabling,constants for this tiny remote planet
called Earth.3. LIfe that has been observed to arise only from
existing life and not arise spontaneously.4. LIfe consists of
thousands and even millions of volumes of empirically detectable
specified complexity as found in DNA information/messages (and is
therefore more than just the non living chemicals it contains).5.
LIfe which changes cyclically and only within a limited range.6. Life
which cannot be built or modified gradually (IE:
irreduciblecomplexity).7. Life that leaves a fossil record of fully
formed creatures thatappear suddenly, do not change, and then
disappear suddenly.
... An honest look at the facts suggests creation, not
macroevolution,is true. And it suggests a highly intelligent personal
Creator has been at work , not 'Natural Causes' which imply no
purpose, no ultimate meaning, nor infinite worth or dignity toward
Humankind ; yet intrinsic self worth, dignity, and meaning is
portrayed in the daily life of an atheist , when in reality if
atheism is true, there should be no confirmation thereof.
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Seon Ferguson" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
07 Dec 2007 01:05:11 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> bloodied
us up with this:
<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:29da424d-e203-492b-9f78-d259aff20dd0@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com..
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1. We have a Universe that came into being
out of nothing when it didnt have to .2. We have a Universe with over
133 fine tuned , life enabling,constants for this tiny remote planet
called Earth.3. LIfe that has been observed to arise only from
existing life and not arise spontaneously.4. LIfe consists of
thousands and even millions of volumes of empirically detectable
specified complexity as found in DNA information/messages (and is
therefore more than just the non living chemicals it contains).5.
LIfe which changes cyclically and only within a limited range.6. Life
which cannot be built or modified gradually (IE:
irreduciblecomplexity).7. Life that leaves a fossil record of fully
formed creatures thatappear suddenly, do not change, and then
disappear suddenly.
... An honest look at the facts suggests creation, not
macroevolution,is true. And it suggests a highly intelligent personal
Creator has been at work , not 'Natural Causes' which imply no
purpose, no ultimate meaning, nor infinite worth or dignity toward
Humankind ; yet intrinsic self worth, dignity, and meaning is
portrayed in the daily life of an atheist , when in reality if
atheism is true, there should be no confirmation thereof.
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided not
to interfere. Who knows?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
07 Dec 2007 02:40:13 AM |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> bloodied
us up with this:
<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:29da424d-e203-492b-9f78-d259aff20dd0@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com..
.
1. We have a Universe that came into being
out of nothing when it didnt have to .2. We have a Universe with over
133 fine tuned , life enabling,constants for this tiny remote planet
called Earth.3. LIfe that has been observed to arise only from
existing life and not arise spontaneously.4. LIfe consists of
thousands and even millions of volumes of empirically detectable
specified complexity as found in DNA information/messages (and is
therefore more than just the non living chemicals it contains).5.
LIfe which changes cyclically and only within a limited range.6. Life
which cannot be built or modified gradually (IE:
irreduciblecomplexity).7. Life that leaves a fossil record of fully
formed creatures thatappear suddenly, do not change, and then
disappear suddenly.
... An honest look at the facts suggests creation, not
macroevolution,is true. And it suggests a highly intelligent personal
Creator has been at work , not 'Natural Causes' which imply no
purpose, no ultimate meaning, nor infinite worth or dignity toward
Humankind ; yet intrinsic self worth, dignity, and meaning is
portrayed in the daily life of an atheist , when in reality if
atheism is true, there should be no confirmation thereof.
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided not
to interfere. Who knows?
William of Ockham.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
20 Dec 2007 08:36:32 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> bloodied
us up with this:
[]
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Correct.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
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| User: "Seon Ferguson" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
12 Jan 2008 03:10:33 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> bloodied
us up with this:
[]
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God
didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Correct.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont know.
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| User: "Reality_Check©" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
12 Jan 2008 03:24:49 AM |
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"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
bloodied
us up with this:
[]
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God
didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Correct.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont know.
How do you know you don't know ?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
12 Jan 2008 08:31:38 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:24:49 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:4h9mm3p0fq8nj37thqkbhoji9354cuqr1n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
bloodied
us up with this:
[]
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God
didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Correct.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont know.
How do you know you don't know ?
And what does he think he doesn't know?
Also what is he lying that atheists aren't honest about?
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
12 Jan 2008 12:37:17 PM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:0mjho39gdlh2qledkvc3unufujsvneptcm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:24:49 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:4h9mm3p0fq8nj37thqkbhoji9354cuqr1n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
bloodied
us up with this:
[]
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God
didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Correct.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
How do you know you don't know ?
And what does he think he doesn't know?
And why doesn't he know that he is an atheist?
Also what is he lying that atheists aren't honest about?
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
12 Jan 2008 01:08:20 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:37:17 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:24:49 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:4h9mm3p0fq8nj37thqkbhoji9354cuqr1n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
bloodied
us up with this:
[]
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God
didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Correct.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
He used this libel as soon as he arrived here. And threw a hissy when
he was corrected instead of acknowledging what is no longer an
innocent mistake.
I still want to know why he lies about us to our faces like this.
How do you know you don't know ?
And what does he think he doesn't know?
And why doesn't he know that he is an atheist?
I've never understood this.
Or why he imagines we're something we aren't.
Stupid theists who can't think outside the theist box imagine the
world revolves around the object their religious belief.
But why anybody who isn't theist should see the theist's god as
anything more than "part of somebody else's religion" is beyond me.
Especially when this was explained to him several times when he first
arrived here.
Also what is he lying that atheists aren't honest about?
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
13 Jan 2008 04:55:24 AM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1i3io31m5t1j5l2n78ggka44g94g6kulvp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:37:17 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:0mjho39gdlh2qledkvc3unufujsvneptcm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:24:49 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:47888429$0$11956$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:4h9mm3p0fq8nj37thqkbhoji9354cuqr1n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
bloodied
us up with this:
[]
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the
universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God
didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Correct.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and
decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
He used this libel as soon as he arrived here. And threw a hissy when
he was corrected instead of acknowledging what is no longer an
innocent mistake.
I still want to know why he lies about us to our faces like this.
How do you know you don't know ?
And what does he think he doesn't know?
And why doesn't he know that he is an atheist?
I've never understood this.
Or why he imagines we're something we aren't.
Stupid theists who can't think outside the theist box imagine the
world revolves around the object their religious belief.
But why anybody who isn't theist should see the theist's god as
anything more than "part of somebody else's religion" is beyond me.
Especially when this was explained to him several times when he first
arrived here.
It is a transition position.
Also what is he lying that atheists aren't honest about?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Both Atheists and Theists have the same evidence |
20 Jan 2008 09:22:41 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:55:24 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1i3io31m5t1j5l2n78ggka44g94g6kulvp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:37:17 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:0mjho39gdlh2qledkvc3unufujsvneptcm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:24:49 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
bloodied
us up with this:
[]
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the
universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God
didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Correct.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and
decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
He used this libel as soon as he arrived here. And threw a hissy when
he was corrected instead of acknowledging what is no longer an
innocent mistake.
I still want to know why he lies about us to our faces like this.
How do you know you don't know ?
And what does he think he doesn't know?
And why doesn't he know that he is an atheist?
I've never understood this.
Or why he imagines we're something we aren't.
Stupid theists who can't think outside the theist box imagine the
world revolves around the object their religious belief.
But why anybody who isn't theist should see the theist's god as
anything more than "part of somebody else's religion" is beyond me.
Especially when this was explained to him several times when he first
arrived here.
It is a transition position.
Transition to the septic tank.
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20 Jan 2008 11:30:04 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:22:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:55:24 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1i3io31m5t1j5l2n78ggka44g94g6kulvp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:37:17 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:0mjho39gdlh2qledkvc3unufujsvneptcm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:24:49 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:47888429$0$11956$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:4h9mm3p0fq8nj37thqkbhoji9354cuqr1n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
bloodied
us up with this:
[]
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the
universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God
didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Correct.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and
decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
He used this libel as soon as he arrived here. And threw a hissy when
he was corrected instead of acknowledging what is no longer an
innocent mistake.
I still want to know why he lies about us to our faces like this.
How do you know you don't know ?
And what does he think he doesn't know?
And why doesn't he know that he is an atheist?
I've never understood this.
Or why he imagines we're something we aren't.
Stupid theists who can't think outside the theist box imagine the
world revolves around the object their religious belief.
But why anybody who isn't theist should see the theist's god as
anything more than "part of somebody else's religion" is beyond me.
Especially when this was explained to him several times when he first
arrived here.
It is a transition position.
Transition to the septic tank.
Not the Skeptic Tank?
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23 Jan 2008 07:14:32 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:04 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:22:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:55:24 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1i3io31m5t1j5l2n78ggka44g94g6kulvp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:37:17 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[]
Stupid theists who can't think outside the theist box imagine the
world revolves around the object their religious belief.
But why anybody who isn't theist should see the theist's god as
anything more than "part of somebody else's religion" is beyond me.
Especially when this was explained to him several times when he first
arrived here.
It is a transition position.
Transition to the septic tank.
Not the Skeptic Tank?
Nope.
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20 Jan 2008 09:21:06 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:10:33 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:4h9mm3p0fq8nj37thqkbhoji9354cuqr1n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:05:11 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FED57BFBF04vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> bloodied
us up with this:
[]
Even if you can prove that a higher power "fine tuned" the universe
you still cant prove your Religion is the one true path to the
Creator. Its all a matter of faith.
And if gods were real, there would be no religions.
Maybe human beings wouldnt need to invent God in their own image. God
didnt
create us in his own image it was the other way round.
Correct.
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont know.
You're a lying and cowardly sack of *****. I've lost count the number
of revolutions of your assinine 'merry-go-round.' Fold it until it is
all corners and insert it up your ***** while revolving at supersonic
speeds. {FLUSH}
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12 Jan 2008 03:33:29 AM |
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Seon Ferguson:
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont know.
What is honest to belive that something might be?
What would it change in your life? Nobody knows anything about any
creation, nothing points towards a creation - so why should one keep
in mind that it *could have been* a creation?
If it was a working hypothesis, ok - but it's not even that. It's only
ballast. All you seem to need is an excuse for that rubbish rules of
worshippers.
IMO agnosticism is nothing more than nervelessnes to throw
childhoods indoctrination-cargo overboard, maybe a wish not to offend
closer friends in their faith or only pure opportunism.
greets
richie
X'Posted to: alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism
--
http://www.tourenschwuchtel.net
gods are for pussys
greets
richie
X'Posted to: alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism
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http://www.tourenschwuchtel.net
gods are for pussys
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12 Jan 2008 07:39:31 AM |
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"Richard Anacker" <116@taunus-biker.de> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3dak78gpkk9g$.dlg@news.fahrschule-anacker.de...
Seon Ferguson:
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
What is honest to belive that something might be?
What would it change in your life? Nobody knows anything about any
creation, nothing points towards a creation - so why should one keep
in mind that it *could have been* a creation?
If it was a working hypothesis, ok - but it's not even that. It's only
ballast. All you seem to need is an excuse for that rubbish rules of
worshippers.
IMO agnosticism is nothing more than nervelessnes to throw
childhoods indoctrination-cargo overboard, maybe a wish not to offend
closer friends in their faith or only pure opportunism.
Agnosticism is not the same as just not knowing. Most agnostics are
atheists.
greets
richie
X'Posted to: alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism
--
http://www.tourenschwuchtel.net
gods are for pussys
greets
richie
X'Posted to: alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism
--
http://www.tourenschwuchtel.net
gods are for pussys
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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12 Jan 2008 11:27:33 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> bloodied us
up with this:
"Richard Anacker" <116@taunus-biker.de> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3dak78gpkk9g$.dlg@news.fahrschule-anacker.de...
Seon Ferguson:
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and
decided not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
What is honest to belive that something might be?
What would it change in your life? Nobody knows anything about any
creation, nothing points towards a creation - so why should one keep
in mind that it *could have been* a creation?
If it was a working hypothesis, ok - but it's not even that. It's
only ballast. All you seem to need is an excuse for that rubbish
rules of worshippers.
IMO agnosticism is nothing more than nervelessnes to throw
childhoods indoctrination-cargo overboard, maybe a wish not to offend
closer friends in their faith or only pure opportunism.
Agnosticism is not the same as just not knowing. Most agnostics are
atheists.
And the rest are theists. There really is no middle ground. Either you
believe or you don't.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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13 Jan 2008 04:52:36 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:Xns9A23DA5A6EE00vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> bloodied us
up with this:
"Richard Anacker" <116@taunus-biker.de> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3dak78gpkk9g$.dlg@news.fahrschule-anacker.de...
Seon Ferguson:
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and
decided not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
What is honest to belive that something might be?
What would it change in your life? Nobody knows anything about any
creation, nothing points towards a creation - so why should one keep
in mind that it *could have been* a creation?
If it was a working hypothesis, ok - but it's not even that. It's
only ballast. All you seem to need is an excuse for that rubbish
rules of worshippers.
IMO agnosticism is nothing more than nervelessnes to throw
childhoods indoctrination-cargo overboard, maybe a wish not to offend
closer friends in their faith or only pure opportunism.
Agnosticism is not the same as just not knowing. Most agnostics are
atheists.
And the rest are theists. There really is no middle ground. Either you
believe or you don't.
Exactly. One also gets the impression that the confusion is deliberate. It
is just too simple a concept to understand.
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Jan 2008 09:25:14 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:52:36 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:Xns9A23DA5A6EE00vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> bloodied us
up with this:
"Richard Anacker" <116@taunus-biker.de> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3dak78gpkk9g$.dlg@news.fahrschule-anacker.de...
Seon Ferguson:
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and
decided not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
What is honest to belive that something might be?
What would it change in your life? Nobody knows anything about any
creation, nothing points towards a creation - so why should one keep
in mind that it *could have been* a creation?
If it was a working hypothesis, ok - but it's not even that. It's
only ballast. All you seem to need is an excuse for that rubbish
rules of worshippers.
IMO agnosticism is nothing more than nervelessnes to throw
childhoods indoctrination-cargo overboard, maybe a wish not to offend
closer friends in their faith or only pure opportunism.
Agnosticism is not the same as just not knowing. Most agnostics are
atheists.
And the rest are theists. There really is no middle ground. Either you
believe or you don't.
Exactly. One also gets the impression that the confusion is deliberate. It
is just too simple a concept to understand.
It is deliberate.
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| User: "Lee" |
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25 Jan 2008 02:08:32 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A23DA5A6EE00vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> bloodied us
up with this:
"Richard Anacker" <116@taunus-biker.de> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3dak78gpkk9g$.dlg@news.fahrschule-anacker.de...
Seon Ferguson:
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and
decided not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
What is honest to belive that something might be?
What would it change in your life? Nobody knows anything about any
creation, nothing points towards a creation - so why should one keep
in mind that it *could have been* a creation?
If it was a working hypothesis, ok - but it's not even that. It's
only ballast. All you seem to need is an excuse for that rubbish
rules of worshippers.
IMO agnosticism is nothing more than nervelessnes to throw
childhoods indoctrination-cargo overboard, maybe a wish not to offend
closer friends in their faith or only pure opportunism.
Agnosticism is not the same as just not knowing. Most agnostics are
atheists.
And the rest are theists. There really is no middle ground. Either you
believe or you don't.
No. I have nothing to believe, and nothing to not believe.
"God" is part of the theist's paradigm.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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25 Jan 2008 04:28:49 PM |
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"Lee" <lee@not.me> skrev i en meddelelse news:4lrmj.30$ZO5.0@trnddc03...
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A23DA5A6EE00vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> bloodied us
up with this:
"Richard Anacker" <116@taunus-biker.de> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3dak78gpkk9g$.dlg@news.fahrschule-anacker.de...
Seon Ferguson:
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and
decided not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont
know.
What is honest to belive that something might be?
What would it change in your life? Nobody knows anything about any
creation, nothing points towards a creation - so why should one keep
in mind that it *could have been* a creation?
If it was a working hypothesis, ok - but it's not even that. It's
only ballast. All you seem to need is an excuse for that rubbish
rules of worshippers.
IMO agnosticism is nothing more than nervelessnes to throw
childhoods indoctrination-cargo overboard, maybe a wish not to offend
closer friends in their faith or only pure opportunism.
Agnosticism is not the same as just not knowing. Most agnostics are
atheists.
And the rest are theists. There really is no middle ground. Either you
believe or you don't.
No. I have nothing to believe, and nothing to not believe.
"God" is part of the theist's paradigm.
Taking an actual, positive position one way or the other is not required; if
you do not believe in any god you are an atheist. While most agnostics are
atheists, some are actually theists.
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| User: "Michael" |
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25 Jan 2008 09:28:14 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:28:49 +0100, thomas p. wrote:
And the rest are theists. There really is no middle ground. Either you
believe or you don't.
No. I have nothing to believe, and nothing to not believe.
"God" is part of the theist's paradigm.
Taking an actual, positive position one way or the other is not required; if
you do not believe in any god you are an atheist. While most agnostics are
atheists, some are actually theists.
The Romans did not have a "zero" and thus could not do higher mathematics
and certainly not algebra. By now you have realized that a great many
people do not have a concept of "zero"; you must believe in God or you
must disbelieve (ie, believe there is no God); for such persons there is
no such thing has having never even heard of God and not caring about it.
This sentiment or thought process is also expressed by the saying, "If you
are not FOR me, then you are AGAINST me." This is a somewhat narcissistic
point of view that presumes everyone has an opinion about "me". In logic,
one might say this is the fallacy of the false alternatives; suggesting
that only these two alternatives exist when in fact many alternatives
exist.
That is the problem with Pascal's Wager: it works in a bi-state universe.
If you toss in several hundred different gods, each of which demand
worship, then the one guaranteed losing position is atheism (offend them
ALL!) but no guarantee exists for any other point of view or behavior
pattern.
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26 Jan 2008 05:18:03 AM |
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"Michael" <newsuser3@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:pan.2008.01.26.03.28.13.400425@orneveien.org...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:28:49 +0100, thomas p. wrote:
And the rest are theists. There really is no middle ground. Either
you
believe or you don't.
No. I have nothing to believe, and nothing to not believe.
"God" is part of the theist's paradigm.
Taking an actual, positive position one way or the other is not required;
if
you do not believe in any god you are an atheist. While most agnostics
are
atheists, some are actually theists.
The Romans did not have a "zero" and thus could not do higher mathematics
and certainly not algebra. By now you have realized that a great many
people do not have a concept of "zero"; you must believe in God or you
must disbelieve (ie, believe there is no God);
The word "disbelieve" means to not believe. Furthermore it makes no
difference how one defines that word; I still do not have a belief that
there is no god.
for such persons there is
no such thing has having never even heard of God and not caring about it.
I do not claim that there is no god. My position is disbelief, i.e. I have
no belief in any god. Of course I have heard people claim there is such a
thing. I do not believe them.
This sentiment or thought process is also expressed by the saying, "If you
are not FOR me, then you are AGAINST me." This is a somewhat narcissistic
point of view that presumes everyone has an opinion about "me". In logic,
one might say this is the fallacy of the false alternatives; suggesting
that only these two alternatives exist when in fact many alternatives
exist.
The above has absolutely nothing to do with atheism. I have no idea where
you got it from, since it doesn't even follow from the first part of your
response.
That is the problem with Pascal's Wager: it works in a bi-state universe.
If you toss in several hundred different gods, each of which demand
worship, then the one guaranteed losing position is atheism (offend them
ALL!) but no guarantee exists for any other point of view or behavior
pattern.
You do jump around in your posts.
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26 Jan 2008 05:38:55 AM |
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"Michael" <newsuser3@orneveien.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.01.26.03.28.13.400425@orneveien.org...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:28:49 +0100, thomas p. wrote:
And the rest are theists. There really is no middle ground. Either
you
believe or you don't.
No. I have nothing to believe, and nothing to not believe.
"God" is part of the theist's paradigm.
The Romans did not have a "zero" and thus could not do higher mathematics
and certainly not algebra. By now you have realized that a great many
people do not have a concept of "zero"; you must believe in God or you
must disbelieve (ie, believe there is no God); for such persons there is
no such thing has having never even heard of God and not caring about it.
Of course I have HEARD of your God but for me, all it is is something YOU
believe.
I have no reason to care about it and no reason to take it any further.
YOUR GOD is part of YOUR world view. Not mine.
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20 Jan 2008 09:24:32 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:33:29 +0100, Richard Anacker
<116@taunus-biker.de> wrote:
Seon Ferguson:
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont know.
What is honest to belive that something might be?
What would it change in your life? Nobody knows anything about any
creation, nothing points towards a creation - so why should one keep
in mind that it *could have been* a creation?
If it was a working hypothesis, ok - but it's not even that. It's only
ballast. All you seem to need is an excuse for that rubbish rules of
worshippers.
IMO agnosticism is nothing more than nervelessnes to throw
childhoods indoctrination-cargo overboard, maybe a wish not to offend
closer friends in their faith or only pure opportunism.
What is there to *know?* /cue another revolution of the
merry-go-round.
[]
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12 Jan 2008 03:29:13 AM |
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Seon Ferguson:
Or a higher power created the universe and took a step back and decided
not
to interfere. Who knows?
Everyone but the superstitious knows. The 'Creation' rubbish is
self-defeating-as you're fully aware of. So why break out the
nattering *****?
Because I'm more honest then Atheists or Deists. I admit that I dont know.
What is honest to belive that something might be?
What would it change in your life? Nobody knows anything about any
creation, nothing points towards a creation - so why should one keep
in mind that it *could have been* a creation?
If it was a working hypothesis, ok - but it's not even that. It's only
ballast. All you seem to need is an excuse for that rubbish rules of
worshippers. IMO atheism is nothing else than nervelessnes to throw
childhoods indoctrination-cargo overboard, maybe a wish not to offend
closer friends in their faith or only pure opportunism.
greets
richie
X'Posted to: alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism
--
http://www.tourenschwuchtel.net
gods are for pussys
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| User: "Richard Anacker" |
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12 Jan 2008 03:31:36 AM |
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Richard Anacker:
IMO atheism is nothing else than nervelessnes to throw
childhoods indoctrination-cargo overboard, maybe a wish not to offend
closer friends in their faith or only pure opportunism.
***** :-) of course I wanted to write agnosticism, not atheism. Sorry 4
that
greets
richie
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gods are for pussys
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