Mr. Chung,
You are worshipping an imposter satanic entity (jesus). That is why those
people in that medical praying study got sicker, that you got that nose
bleed, and
that your mind is going.

You must worship Yahweh only, otherwise you are condemned to agony for all
time. Remember Yahweh's commandment about not having any other gods before
him. If you kneel before the cross, you defy Yahweh.

"" God spoke all these words, saying: I am God your Lord, who brought

out
of Egypt, from the place of slavery. Do not have any other gods before Me.
Do not represent [such] gods by any carved statue or picture of anything

the heaven above, on the earth below, or in the water below the land. Do

bow down to [such gods] or worship them. I am God your Lord, a God who
demands exclusive worship. """"

That couldn't be plainer.

Mr. Chung,
You are worshipping an imposter satanic entity (jesus).

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam2@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1145609639.837945.249640@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Russ T. Nale wrote:

Bothered by the cross
by Deanna Murshed

As someone who has been a Christian for a while now, I must confess that
the idea of redemption through the cross has lost its power to bother or
puzzle me as it did in the past.


I remember being jealous of folks who could confess a grand conversion
experience that pulled them from lives of sheer drunken hedonistic
debauchery - dramatic stories in which they were saved just in the nick
of
time - into resurrection just by the skin of their teeth. And although
getting in by the skin of our teeth is surely true for all of us, it is
at
least more obvious in those great stories, for whatever reason.


But that is not my story.


Even my earliest memories include my mother sharing Bible stories with
me.
Though I struggled with the meaning or reality of these accounts to be
sure - I can't recall a time when I didn't perceive myself within this
grand story of redemption.


My mother showed me a simple faith. My father, on the other hand,
questioned just about everything. And I somehow inherited both. God help
those who hear me think out loud.


I also remember that as a child, the idea that Christ died on the cross
and rose again for me - though it was repeated over and over again and I
so desperately wanted to believe it made sense - seemed odd. But I think
it was repeated often enough, that eventually, I just came to accept it.
After all, the answer to almost any question in Sunday school was easy:
"because Jesus died on the cross!"


So, somewhere along the road, I took it for granted that Christ lived,
died, and rose again. Somewhere, maybe after I had responded to the sixth
altar call - just to make sure God had duly noted my belief - I had heard
it enough times to think I had this mystery of mysteries settled.


But every now and then, I come back to that place. Really, what in the
world does this mean? Christ died on the cross. It is so easy to hear now
that the absolute foolishness of it - and I mean that in the best
possible
way - simply ceases to amaze me.


But liturgical cycles are good for that - making you not forget any part
of the story and asking you to revisit each station, as it were. One
passage has been coming to mind (from John's gospel):


"Jesus replied, 'The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.
Very truly, I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and
dies, it remains just a single grain; but if it dies, it bears much
fruit.
Those who love their life lose it, and those who hate their life in this
world will keep it for eternal life'" (12:23-25).


The version of the Bible called The Message states the last verse this
way: "In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys
that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it
forever, real and eternal."


The part that really struck me recently (though I've surely heard it read
a hundred times) is that the dying of the grain is not for the
resurrection of the seed itself - you do not die simply to be resurrected
into a better you. You don't give up that bad habit or attitude, greed or
grudge, simply to come out on top. (Though I suppose that's not a bad
place to begin). No, the grain dies so that it can produce and reproduce
life. The passage says, unless a seed falls to the ground and dies it is
no more than a single grain.


The answer as to why the grain needs to die is for it not to remain
alone.
In other words, Christ died so that he could bear more Christs and grow
his reign!


Though this way of living for others seems like such a radical
(re)orientation, all of creation seems to be screaming this message.
Every
part of the wheat is living for the spread of life, wants there to be
more
wheat. The most basic cycle of nature reflects the divine order.


It is simply astounding, when I think about it, that the God of creation
does not live for direct self-satisfaction! The God of creation who has
all power and all might is in constant submission to another purpose. And
God is inviting us to follow.


When one reads the surrounding texts in John where Christ is trying to
explain to his disciples who he is and why he must leave them, he is
rather indirect. He never says, I do such and such because that is my
plan. Rather, he points to the Father and then says that the Father
points
to the Son and has given Him authority. And then the Spirit testifies of
the Son and so on and on. And then the Father lifts up the Son. It is
almost comedic how each part of the trinity points the finger at the
other
- not in blame, as in the human tendency - but because of a perfect
harmony, submission, and a trade of trust and authority between each
member. This is a wholly different order - a glimpse of what divine
community looks like.


I don't know about you, but completely surrendering my will for another
goes against every grain of my self-preserving being. And it looks
nothing
whatsoever like our capitalist culture which encourages us to think the
opposite - both economically and morally. The world says that if each
individual seeks out his or her own personal fulfillment, we will all
ultimately benefit. But the gospel compels us to seek the benefit of
others with no guarantee of anything in return.


This is a terrifying invitation that should bother us.


But do our motives have to be absolutely perfect in the sight of God
before we can follow? And can we ever reach the point of being perfectly
other-oriented? (If so, I'm in trouble).


But I'm comforted that in scripture, I find myself in good company.
Christ's disciples followed him for many reasons - not all of which were
noble. Ironically, sometimes they were selfish in their pursuit of
selflessness. Sometimes they sought to gain something (to meet earthly or
eternal needs), other times because they knew there was no other way.
Later, they figured a few things out - saw Christ more fully - and their
motives changed to those of gratitude, and ultimately, they imitated
Christ's example to obey simply because God is worthy.


So, I've come to believe that we hold on to this mysterious truth for
different reasons at different times in our lives, though we may never
come to fully understand how it is that Christ's death saves us.


That we should follow Jesus in his death so that we might really live is
the message of this Easter season.


May God have mercy on us as we follow this call.


Deanna Murshed, integrated marketing manager at Sojourners, is a graduate
of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School's faith and culture program.
--
Russ T. Nale

http://grace.break.at

God is still speaking
http://www.stillspeaking.com

Many thanks and praises to the LORD for your sharing this.

May GOD continue to bless you and yours today and everyday, in Jesus'
most fantastic and holy name.

Amen ! ! ! ! ! ! !

You sound like a child that is lost, frightened and confused in the dark.