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User: "Xomicron"
Date: 31 Mar 2004 09:24:38 PM
Object: Re: Bush is a job loser
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in
news:pan.2004.03.31.22.29.51.142504@hoo.com-amikchi:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:47:44 -0500 in episode
<lN6dnQPsZpkZjPbd4p2dnA@comcast.com> we saw our hero "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>:


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <Xns94BD5CC0C3257xomicron@130.133.1.4>,


says...


Actually Clinton lost more jobs in his first term than Bush did.


Clinton added 10 million more jobs to payrolls at the end of his first

term than

there were when he took office. Clearly Clinton kicked Bush's *****.


Specifically, tell us how Clinton added 10 million more jobs.


Hm...

Jan 1993 109.725 million employed
Jan 1997 121.232 million employed

Difference being 11.5 million.

Or looked at another way, at the same time in his first term, it was:

Jan 1996 118.192 million employed

Which is an increase of about 8.5 million.

How did Clinton create those jobs?
.

User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Bush is a job loser 30 Mar 2004 11:16:25 PM
In article <Xns94BDE3F94717Cxomicron@0.0.0.1>,
says...

"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in
news:pan.2004.03.31.22.29.51.142504@hoo.com-amikchi:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:47:44 -0500 in episode
<lN6dnQPsZpkZjPbd4p2dnA@comcast.com> we saw our hero "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>:


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ad4bce9f680e729896d5@news.individual.net...

In article <Xns94BD5CC0C3257xomicron@130.133.1.4>,


says...


Actually Clinton lost more jobs in his first term than Bush did.


Clinton added 10 million more jobs to payrolls at the end of his first

term than

there were when he took office. Clearly Clinton kicked Bush's *****.


Specifically, tell us how Clinton added 10 million more jobs.


Hm...

Jan 1993 109.725 million employed
Jan 1997 121.232 million employed

Difference being 11.5 million.

Or looked at another way, at the same time in his first term, it was:

Jan 1996 118.192 million employed

Which is an increase of about 8.5 million.


How did Clinton create those jobs?

Another one line statement by you demanding that I do your homework for you.
You've shown no evidence that you even have a basic comprehension of economics
or for that matter that you can engage in original thought. Most of the time
you only cut and paste propaganda. You betray your ignorance by pretending that
it's an easy or effortless thing to explain all the ways that Clinton created
jobs. Aside from directly subsidizing higher education, establishing americorp,
providing targeted capital gains cuts, and helping small businesses to deduct
many expenses like health insurance, he also reformed welfare and moved many of
these people back into private sector work. Additionally, Clinton did help
working families with things like EITC. He cut taxes on the middle class while
asking those who could afford to be a bit more socially responsible. Clinton
signed off on empowerment and enterprise zones and reinvested billions more in
revitalizing community infrastructure. He provided r&d tax credits, helped
promote higher fuel economy, expanded student loans and most importantly,
lowered long term interest rates by substantially eliminating the deficit red
ink of previous administrations. Those are only a few of the highly successful
policies that people like Greenspan credited with helping to strengthen the
economy and grow new jobs.
Of course, you could look any of that up, but you're too partisan and too
blinded by irrational hatred.
.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Bush is a job loser 31 Mar 2004 11:23:11 PM
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ad402036de11d3998968d@news.individual.net...

In article <Xns94BDE3F94717Cxomicron@0.0.0.1>,

says...

"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in
news:pan.2004.03.31.22.29.51.142504@hoo.com-amikchi:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:47:44 -0500 in episode
<lN6dnQPsZpkZjPbd4p2dnA@comcast.com> we saw our hero "Osprey"
<noneedtoknow@mail.com>:


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ad4bce9f680e729896d5@news.individual.net...

In article <Xns94BD5CC0C3257xomicron@130.133.1.4>,


says...


Actually Clinton lost more jobs in his first term than Bush did.


Clinton added 10 million more jobs to payrolls at the end of his

first

term than

there were when he took office. Clearly Clinton kicked Bush's *****.


Specifically, tell us how Clinton added 10 million more jobs.


Hm...

Jan 1993 109.725 million employed
Jan 1997 121.232 million employed

Difference being 11.5 million.

Or looked at another way, at the same time in his first term, it was:

Jan 1996 118.192 million employed

Which is an increase of about 8.5 million.


How did Clinton create those jobs?


Another one line statement by you demanding that I do your homework for

you.

You've shown no evidence that you even have a basic comprehension of

economics

or for that matter that you can engage in original thought. Most of the

time

you only cut and paste propaganda. You betray your ignorance by

pretending that

it's an easy or effortless thing to explain all the ways that Clinton

created

jobs. Aside from directly subsidizing higher education, establishing

americorp,

providing targeted capital gains cuts, and helping small businesses to

deduct

many expenses like health insurance, he also reformed welfare and moved

many of

these people back into private sector work. Additionally, Clinton did

help

working families with things like EITC. He cut taxes on the middle class

while

asking those who could afford to be a bit more socially responsible.

Clinton

signed off on empowerment and enterprise zones and reinvested billions

more in

revitalizing community infrastructure. He provided r&d tax credits,

helped

promote higher fuel economy, expanded student loans and most importantly,
lowered long term interest rates by substantially eliminating the deficit

red

ink of previous administrations. Those are only a few of the highly

successful

policies that people like Greenspan credited with helping to strengthen

the

economy and grow new jobs.

Of course, you could look any of that up, but you're too partisan and too
blinded by irrational hatred.

Just because you can't explain your own claims and credits for Clinton isn't
any reason for you to go and
attack and name call. This is something liberals are very well known for
when they get angry and *****...they react with name calling and
attacking.
What does it serve?
Answer: Nothing...just makes you look foolish.
.
User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Bush is a job loser 30 Mar 2004 11:59:01 PM
In article <2LCdnWRAEcfwO_bdRVn-sw@comcast.com>,
says...


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ad402036de11d3998968d@news.individual.net...

In article <Xns94BDE3F94717Cxomicron@0.0.0.1>,

says...

"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in
news:pan.2004.03.31.22.29.51.142504@hoo.com-amikchi:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:47:44 -0500 in episode
<lN6dnQPsZpkZjPbd4p2dnA@comcast.com> we saw our hero "Osprey"
<

>:


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ad4bce9f680e729896d5@news.individual.net...

In article <Xns94BD5CC0C3257xomicron@130.133.1.4>,


says...


Actually Clinton lost more jobs in his first term than Bush did.


Clinton added 10 million more jobs to payrolls at the end of his

first

term than

there were when he took office. Clearly Clinton kicked Bush's *****.


Specifically, tell us how Clinton added 10 million more jobs.


Hm...

Jan 1993 109.725 million employed
Jan 1997 121.232 million employed

Difference being 11.5 million.

Or looked at another way, at the same time in his first term, it was:

Jan 1996 118.192 million employed

Which is an increase of about 8.5 million.


How did Clinton create those jobs?


Another one line statement by you demanding that I do your homework for

you.

You've shown no evidence that you even have a basic comprehension of

economics

or for that matter that you can engage in original thought. Most of the

time

you only cut and paste propaganda. You betray your ignorance by

pretending that

it's an easy or effortless thing to explain all the ways that Clinton

created

jobs. Aside from directly subsidizing higher education, establishing

americorp,

providing targeted capital gains cuts, and helping small businesses to

deduct

many expenses like health insurance, he also reformed welfare and moved

many of

these people back into private sector work. Additionally, Clinton did

help

working families with things like EITC. He cut taxes on the middle class

while

asking those who could afford to be a bit more socially responsible.

Clinton

signed off on empowerment and enterprise zones and reinvested billions

more in

revitalizing community infrastructure. He provided r&d tax credits,

helped

promote higher fuel economy, expanded student loans and most importantly,
lowered long term interest rates by substantially eliminating the deficit

red

ink of previous administrations. Those are only a few of the highly

successful

policies that people like Greenspan credited with helping to strengthen

the

economy and grow new jobs.

Of course, you could look any of that up, but you're too partisan and too
blinded by irrational hatred.



Just because you can't explain your own claims

I can and have explained them, unlike you.

and credits for Clinton isn't
any reason for you to go and
attack and name call.

First off, those "names" are ones that many republicans have earned will. It
perfectly and truthfully describes them, so I am entitled to use them.
Secondly, you continue to make unsuported claims, such as that I can't explain
things which I've already explained throughout this thread. How about you
attempting to do the same thing?

This is something liberals are very well known for

Republicans are quite well known for it too, or do you deny that Anne Coulter
and Sean Hannity and Mr. "pinhead" O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh ever call anyone
names. If you don't deny that then it makes you a hypocrite for selectively
attacking liberals. You've also managed not to support your claims by actual
evidence making it hypocritical again for you to ask me to support my own claims
earlier. Oh and before you say it, I'm not calling you names, but fairly
describing your actual behavior.

when they get angry and *****...they react with name calling and
attacking.

It's fairly obvious to anyone that all people do that sort of thing from time to
time. Again, since you've given no examples (perhaps you can't, according to
the standards you apply to me) there's little point in placing much credence in
it.

What does it serve?

It's not calling someone a name to say that they are partisan if, in fact, they
display those tendencies. My conversation has served to address the issue at
hand. I have done less "name calling" than many others in this thread and have
backed up many of my statements, unlike you and some of your republican cronies.


Answer: Nothing...just makes you look foolish.

That's your unsupported view, but it's not accurate at all. I don't look
foolish, but you certainly look hypocritical since you haven't supported the
charges against me, but have managed to make the kind of insulting statements
that you claim liberals are known for. When you decide to seriously discuss
some issue then let me know.




.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Bush is a job loser 01 Apr 2004 07:08:36 AM
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ad40bfb445b286b989690@news.individual.net...

In article <2LCdnWRAEcfwO_bdRVn-sw@comcast.com>,


says...


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ad402036de11d3998968d@news.individual.net...

In article <Xns94BDE3F94717Cxomicron@0.0.0.1>,

says...

"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in
news:pan.2004.03.31.22.29.51.142504@hoo.com-amikchi:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:47:44 -0500 in episode
<lN6dnQPsZpkZjPbd4p2dnA@comcast.com> we saw our hero "Osprey"
<

>:


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ad4bce9f680e729896d5@news.individual.net...

In article <Xns94BD5CC0C3257xomicron@130.133.1.4>,


says...


Actually Clinton lost more jobs in his first term than Bush

did.


Clinton added 10 million more jobs to payrolls at the end of his

first

term than

there were when he took office. Clearly Clinton kicked Bush's

*****.


Specifically, tell us how Clinton added 10 million more jobs.


Hm...

Jan 1993 109.725 million employed
Jan 1997 121.232 million employed

Difference being 11.5 million.

Or looked at another way, at the same time in his first term, it

was:


Jan 1996 118.192 million employed

Which is an increase of about 8.5 million.


How did Clinton create those jobs?


Another one line statement by you demanding that I do your homework

for

you.

You've shown no evidence that you even have a basic comprehension of

economics

or for that matter that you can engage in original thought. Most of

the

time

you only cut and paste propaganda. You betray your ignorance by

pretending that

it's an easy or effortless thing to explain all the ways that Clinton

created

jobs. Aside from directly subsidizing higher education, establishing

americorp,

providing targeted capital gains cuts, and helping small businesses to

deduct

many expenses like health insurance, he also reformed welfare and

moved

many of

these people back into private sector work. Additionally, Clinton did

help

working families with things like EITC. He cut taxes on the middle

class

while

asking those who could afford to be a bit more socially responsible.

Clinton

signed off on empowerment and enterprise zones and reinvested billions

more in

revitalizing community infrastructure. He provided r&d tax credits,

helped

promote higher fuel economy, expanded student loans and most

importantly,

lowered long term interest rates by substantially eliminating the

deficit

red

ink of previous administrations. Those are only a few of the highly

successful

policies that people like Greenspan credited with helping to

strengthen

the

economy and grow new jobs.

Of course, you could look any of that up, but you're too partisan and

too

blinded by irrational hatred.



Just because you can't explain your own claims



I can and have explained them, unlike you.

No, I don't think you can and your not explaining anything except rhetoric.
I want you to get down to the nuts and bolts and explain in full detail.
Don't just give me some repeated garbage from some web site or book.


and credits for Clinton isn't
any reason for you to go and
attack and name call.


First off, those "names" are ones that many republicans have earned will.

Hmmm, well I can see how you and other liberals earned their names then.
It

perfectly and truthfully describes them, so I am entitled to use them.
Secondly, you continue to make unsuported claims, such as that I can't

explain

things which I've already explained throughout this thread. How about you
attempting to do the same thing?



This is something liberals are very well known for


Republicans are quite well known for it too, or do you deny that Anne

Coulter

and Sean Hannity and Mr. "pinhead" O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh ever call

anyone

names.

Sure they call names, not necessary, but they do.
If you don't deny that then it makes you a hypocrite for selectively

attacking liberals. You've also managed not to support your claims by

actual

evidence making it hypocritical again for you to ask me to support my own

claims

earlier. Oh and before you say it, I'm not calling you names, but fairly
describing your actual behavior.

when they get angry and *****...they react with name calling and
attacking.


It's fairly obvious to anyone that all people do that sort of thing from

time to

time. Again, since you've given no examples (perhaps you can't, according

to

the standards you apply to me) there's little point in placing much

credence in

it.



What does it serve?


It's not calling someone a name to say that they are partisan if, in fact,

they

display those tendencies. My conversation has served to address the issue

at

hand. I have done less "name calling" than many others in this thread and

have

backed up many of my statements, unlike you and some of your republican

cronies.




Answer: Nothing...just makes you look foolish.


That's your unsupported view,

My view doesn't need support.
but it's not accurate at all. I don't look

foolish, but you certainly look hypocritical since you haven't supported

the

charges against me, but have managed to make the kind of insulting

statements

that you claim liberals are known for. When you decide to seriously

discuss

some issue then let me know.

I have, and you continue to not be able to explain how Clinton increased
jobs specifically.





.





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