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"Warnock" |
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30 Jan 2004 08:09:02 AM |
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Re: California Parents |
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
message news:26vje1-kvc.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net...
The idea that young, underage girls should be allowed
to get abortions without their parents' knowledge is
contrary to the pattern of all of our other laws regar-
ding parental authority over minors.
LOL! You talk out of both sides of your mouth. So parents need to be
involved in their childrens decisions? Why? Oh - I get it. The
children aren't "adults" yet. They are alive, they are human beings,
but the law should place them in an inferior status where they aren't
afforded the same rights as an adult. Good theory! Where have I heard
this before? Now try apply that thinking to the difference betweeen a
fetus and an infant.
***** So you think that children should be able to do what they please?
Following your logic, if a child gets to make decissions (Have rights),
then
a foetus also gets rights - a child is a little adult, a foetus is a
little
child!
From the sounds of it this is getting a little silly... :-)
An interesting possible corner case, though, which has
(sorrowfully) probably happened. A man impregnates his
own daughter. Should she be required to get her parent's
permission?
***** This is a special case, and a trip to a shrink might be in order!
Should she decide to give birth, her child would only have THREE
grandparents!
A slightly less problematic case might be a post-pubescent
but pre-adult teenager going out and getting excessively
drunk (it happens), and waking up the next morning with
morning sickness (over and above the hangover, that is),
in a family where Mom and Dad are so proper she can't bear
to tell them.
***** Her parents have a right to know about her drinking problem,
discipline her etc. They are also in the best position to arrange
appropriate medical attention, and legal advise!!
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: California Parents |
31 Jan 2004 11:00:27 AM |
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In talk.abortion, Warnock
<warnnock@pop.co.za>
wrote
on Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:09:02 +0200
<bve3m6$94l$20@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>:
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
message news:26vje1-kvc.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net...
The idea that young, underage girls should be allowed
to get abortions without their parents' knowledge is
contrary to the pattern of all of our other laws regar-
ding parental authority over minors.
LOL! You talk out of both sides of your mouth. So parents need to be
involved in their childrens decisions? Why? Oh - I get it. The
children aren't "adults" yet. They are alive, they are human beings,
but the law should place them in an inferior status where they aren't
afforded the same rights as an adult. Good theory! Where have I heard
this before? Now try apply that thinking to the difference betweeen a
fetus and an infant.
***** So you think that children should be able to do what they please?
Following your logic, if a child gets to make decissions (Have rights),
then
a foetus also gets rights - a child is a little adult, a foetus is a
little
child!
From the sounds of it this is getting a little silly... :-)
An interesting possible corner case, though, which has
(sorrowfully) probably happened. A man impregnates his
own daughter. Should she be required to get her parent's
permission?
***** This is a special case, and a trip to a shrink might be in order!
Should she decide to give birth, her child would only have THREE
grandparents!
Oh no, not that. I have *no* grandparents.
(They're all dead.)
A slightly less problematic case might be a post-pubescent
but pre-adult teenager going out and getting excessively
drunk (it happens), and waking up the next morning with
morning sickness (over and above the hangover, that is),
in a family where Mom and Dad are so proper she can't bear
to tell them.
***** Her parents have a right to know about her drinking problem,
discipline her etc. They are also in the best position to arrange
appropriate medical attention, and legal advise!!
Ah. And what should that "appropriate medical attention" be?
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "Warnock" |
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| Title: Re: California Parents |
01 Feb 2004 07:47:07 AM |
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"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
message news:p10te1-2ij.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net...
The idea that young, underage girls should be allowed
to get abortions without their parents' knowledge is
contrary to the pattern of all of our other laws regar-
ding parental authority over minors.
LOL! You talk out of both sides of your mouth. So parents need to
be
involved in their childrens decisions? Why? Oh - I get it. The
children aren't "adults" yet. They are alive, they are human
beings,
but the law should place them in an inferior status where they
aren't
afforded the same rights as an adult. Good theory! Where have I
heard
this before? Now try apply that thinking to the difference betweeen
a
fetus and an infant.
***** So you think that children should be able to do what they
please?
Following your logic, if a child gets to make decissions (Have
rights),
then
a foetus also gets rights - a child is a little adult, a foetus is a
little
child!
From the sounds of it this is getting a little silly... :-)
An interesting possible corner case, though, which has
(sorrowfully) probably happened. A man impregnates his
own daughter. Should she be required to get her parent's
permission?
***** This is a special case, and a trip to a shrink might be in order!
Should she decide to give birth, her child would only have THREE
grandparents!
Oh no, not that. I have *no* grandparents.
(They're all dead.)
***** You started off with a potencial of 4 grandparents, as most of us do -
in the above case the child could only, ever, have had three grandparents -
if all were still alive.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: California Parents |
01 Feb 2004 09:14:33 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:47:07 +0200, "Warnock" <warnnock@pop.co.za>
posted in alt.atheism:
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
message news:p10te1-2ij.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net...
An interesting possible corner case, though, which has
(sorrowfully) probably happened. A man impregnates his
own daughter. Should she be required to get her parent's
permission?
***** This is a special case, and a trip to a shrink might be in order!
Should she decide to give birth, her child would only have THREE
grandparents!
Oh no, not that. I have *no* grandparents.
(They're all dead.)
***** You started off with a potencial of 4 grandparents, as most of us do -
in the above case the child could only, ever, have had three grandparents -
if all were still alive.
The man's parents are two of the grandparents. The daughter's parents
(her father being one of them) are the other two. Your only problem
is that the child's father is also one of the child's grandfathers.
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: California Parents |
02 Feb 2004 07:00:40 AM |
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In talk.abortion, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote
on Mon, 02 Feb 2004 03:14:33 GMT
<61gr101kjb9hhuubf075qrkb7f653d9234@Pern.rk>:
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:47:07 +0200, "Warnock" <warnnock@pop.co.za>
posted in alt.atheism:
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
message news:p10te1-2ij.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net...
An interesting possible corner case, though, which has
(sorrowfully) probably happened. A man impregnates his
own daughter. Should she be required to get her parent's
permission?
***** This is a special case, and a trip to a shrink might be in order!
Should she decide to give birth, her child would only have THREE
grandparents!
Oh no, not that. I have *no* grandparents.
(They're all dead.)
***** You started off with a potencial of 4 grandparents, as most of us do -
in the above case the child could only, ever, have had three grandparents -
if all were still alive.
The man's parents are two of the grandparents. The daughter's parents
(her father being one of them) are the other two. Your only problem
is that the child's father is also one of the child's grandfathers.
That reminds me of the following thought-puzzle, which
is from memory:
Alice marries Burt, and conceives Clarissa.
Doug marries Elanor, and conceives Frank.
Now this is a weird pair of families, as for some
reason Alice looks on Frank and finds him handsome, and
divorces Burt. Doug messes around with Clarissa and Elanor
divorces him; Doug marries Clarissa more or less by force
of society. Alice conceives another child named George,
and Clarissa conceives Henrietta.
Does George have a father or a half-brother?
George and Henrietta, childhood friends, marry each other and
Henrietta conceives Isaac. Isaac's parents are fairly
straightforward but beyond that it gets very murky.
One would hope this doesn't happen often but after Mary Kay Letourneau,
I wonder.
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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