On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:39:18 GMT, Bill D.
<neveraloneneveragain@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:44:09 -0400, Greg P. <allen@studio.com>, with
ineffable wisdom and insight enthralled us all with this shining,
brilliant example of absolute cognitive coherence:
You've given me a lot to think about, Greg. Actually, a lot of what
you said has been floating around in my head for some time and your
post has served to kind of solidify it. I really do think, though,
that I was, at heart, a good person. I just couldn't live up to it.
Putting down the drugs and beginning a new way of life helped me to
start to become the person I always had been in my heart. My first
instinct is not always selfish today. It can be if I'm not practicing
what I've learned through the Steps and if I'm not acting on the voice
of God in my heart.
To address one of your's and dougwa2's comments in the next post, I
did have a life changing spiritual experience, I've often related it
to the Christian "born again" experience because that's what it felt
like, when I surrendered and asked whatever Power was out there to
help me. I googled this from Nov 8, 2002. It's from when I was still
going back and forth with Richard.
"To each his own.....
Personally, when I surrendered and asked for help I had a very
powerful spiritual experience. I was literally touched by God. I never
could understand what Christians meant by "born again" before that
moment. In that moment I was made a completely new being, fresh, new,
"born again." July 31, 1987 is my "birthday." In that moment the teeth
grittin', white knucklin' obsession and compulsion to use that I had
lived with every waking moment of every day was miraculously removed.
I do not consider myself a "true" Christian because I practice other
spiritual forms but, in that moment, He "lifted me up as on wings of
eagles," He "restored my soul." He comforted me, actually spoke to my
mind, literally, saying "Fear not, for I am with you." I never used to
share this with anyone for fear of being thought crazy, or that I had
hallucinated it. I had a therapist tell me, early in recovery, that I
"needed" that powerful an experience in order to save my life. Nothing
else would have done it for me. I was already amongst the walking dead
and was soon to be amongst the buried dead.
Born again.
"Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, I'm free at last!!!"
"Abstinence does not equal recovery."
this is a desperate lie that the cult tells. the cult of NA "knows" that it
is completely redundant, and in a last gasp desperate desire to justify
itself, it says that even if a drug addict manages the "impossible" feat of
not using, that addict still has not recovered from drug addiction because
they also need to have a spiritual awakening, whatever that is.
i don't know how NA can also say that it caters to atheists, because
atheists do not have spiritual awakenings. clearly NA desires to convert
atheists into people who believe in God.
Powerful stuff that. Sends chills up me remembering, and fills my
heart with love and gratitude.
Gotta go guys. Taking the sponsor out for dinner then he's treating
for movies. War Of The Worlds.
Peace.
Bill
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