"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
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Dave Oldridge wrote:

Even the most discerning person will never know all truth.

In truth, most assuredly, I know LORD Jesus Christ to be kind,
just, and right.

Good. That's a start. But it is not all truth.

HE is the truth. That is all I need.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
(John 14:6)

Those who think they
know it all, know it least.

Discerning is not thinking just as seeing is not thinking.

Uh huh.

Yes.

So the way to learn about things is to NOT think about them?

No.

Weird. You just more or less contradicted yourself.

An interesting concept.

Why do false things interest you?

Because there are a lot of falsehoods abroad in the world and God has
recruited me to deal with some of them.

Have you made much money by NOT thinking about your work?

Actually, doing GOD's work does not require much effort.

If that's actually what you're doing it can require much or little effort
depending on the work.

Again, we can only judge your discernment by comparing it with
our own.

You remind me of the blind man who feigns vision by evaluating the
vision of the seeing.

And I should care about what your ego reminds you of?

Those who walk with Christ have died to self. For this reason, my ego
remains slain.

Looks pretty lively to me!

Science treats its knowledge as relative
rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors. The
absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly forever.

It would be my hope that GOD gives you a discerning heart
if/when you choose to ask HIM for one.

He does.

HE has not.

You now speak for Him?

No.

S'funny...now you're contradicting yourself again.

I speak TO Him and HE speaks to me continually,
so be very careful what you say about us.

Many thanks to GOD for your choice to pray to HIM.

You are NOT talking to God
behind my back. Whatever it is you're talking to it's not Him.

You still remind me of the same blind man who upon having his feign
recognized by the seeing now chooses to challenge what those with
vision are seeing.

As if I should care about your bad choice of metaphors.

Of course, maybe you're so blind you cannot tell whether someone can see
or not.

But then I'm always talkin' to Him AND listening.

Not the same as discerning.

Sigh.....according to you discernment is achieved by not thinking.

No.

What I have written is that a discerning heart can come only from GOD
and only after you ask for a discerning heart and HE chooses to give
you one.

No amount of thinking on your part will compel GOD to give you a
discerning heart.

Anyone foolish enough to think they can compel God is a fool indeed.

I think that's utter bilge.

Without the LORD, your thoughts are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

But I am not without the Lord.

And I think you actually know this but like
confrontations because it gives you attention you wouldn't otherwise
get.

Though HE has given me a discerning heart, GOD has not given me HIS
gift of clairvoyance so I do not know your thoughts.

Yet, three times in this post you have made claims that depend on such
knowledge.

GOD LORD etc. can also be
a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.

LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.

HE is the infinite "I AM."

Yes He is. But neither you nor I are.

Correct.

Best wishes.

Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which
would not be possible if evolution were true.

Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's
form can also be considered as a work of "PRIME
FORCE/PARTICLE" -- GODESS/GOD LORD....

Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD
(Proverbs 16:33).

Jesus Christ didn't slay anything, as far as I can tell.

"Out of HIS mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down
the nations. 'HE will rule them with an iron scepter.' HE
treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of GOD Almighty.
On HIS robe and on HIS thigh HE has this name written:

KING of kings and LORD of lords.

That's nice. But Moloch is also known as a king and lord.

Don't know Moloch. Do you?

We've met. I won't say it was a pleasure (on either part--I'm an
exorcist).

It is written that those who live by the sword will die by the sword.

And this is relevant how?

Be careful which god you follow.

Matthew 7

The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the
mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged
themselves on their flesh." (Revelation 19:15-21)

I have no idea what you think you mean by this.

Nothing happens by chance. There are no accidents. No mutation
is random. No selection is natural.

Well here we disagree, but it's possibly a disagreement about the
meaning of "natural." You see what God creates is, ipso facto,
NATURAL.

Natural is of Nature (capitalized by the Naturalists who worship
Nature).

But there can be no Nature except God is creating it and sustaining
it in being. You're still living in a world where God is
circumscribe by rules YOU are inventing.

No.

Yes....the theological error is subtle but the result is that you end up
setting up nature against God, science against the presumption of
revelation in a false conflict that quickly becomes a tool for the devil
to suborn sin.

To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.

Because there is no such thing as Nature, there is no such thing as
natural.

Or whatever is natural is what God creates.

Then give credit to GOD instead of Nature, which created nothing.

Science is not theology.

While scientists individually can and do credit
God for creation, they are not in the business of teaching religious
dogmas to infidels. One of the unique things about scientific inquiry is
that success does not depend on any political factors such as belonging
to the right party or cult.

But as a refutation of
evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says only
that God has sovereignty over such matters, not that they don't
exist.

The Theory of Evolution (TOE) as proposed by Charles Darwin in
his book "The Origin of Species" is built on the false
assumption that Nature (Darwin's capitalization) is the Creator.
And, by invoking Nature, TOE is built on the sands of the
assumption that everything in our universe occurs by chance.

No, it's built on the observation that nature keeps producing lots
of new variation and that not all of it survives to produce more.

No such thing as Nature, just as neither Moloch, nor Baal, nor Zeus
exist.

Uh, false gods exist. They are not gods really, but they exist.

That is not what I discern.

Then your discernment is not very deep, since scripture actually tells us
of these entities.

Moloch, for example is the amplification of the same emotions that
make us jump out of the way of moving vehicles. But because we keep
chewing on the fruit of a certain tree, we tend to imagine all sorts
of evils, including a great many that have no reality whatever. Then
some of us decide that it is good politics to sacrifice others to
these false gods.

It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ.

Yes, but is that a walk or just a talk.

I'm in no position to judge you
here but I notice a quick tendency on your part to judge others...

"Chance" is just a term we use to describe events whose causes are
too complex usually for us to predict them in advance. The only
REAL chance events are quantum level events, such as the exact
moment a particular uranium atom decides to spit out a helium
nucleus.

According to Proverbs 16:33, nothing happens by chance...

I'm inclined to agree with this, though some findings in quantum
mechanics may actually mean that it is wrong on the very smallest
levels of existence.

Quantum mechanics remains a theory.

True, but the experiments and observations that support it are not
theories, they are actual experiments and observations. And some of
those indicate that, at the very smallest level, the universe may well
have random elements. I'm not saying that they remain random at a
transcendent level. To God nothing is random. But to every ability we
even CAN possess to measure them with, some of these events are random.

... nothing is randomly occurring.

Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.

Be careful what you pray for. You may get it.

It remains my choice to pray on behalf of Kumar's soul which is
endangered at the moment.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

His love IS amazing. But you know, He told me to try to be
truthful in all matters. Too many creationists are NOT
truthful about science.

Thankfully, the LORD has made knowledgeable in all things having
to do with genetics and the theory of evolution **and** HE has
given me a discerning heart.

Hmmm....

It is one of countless numbers of spiritual gifts from the Holy
Spirit.

The Holy Spirit I know. But some of the spirits I see around here
aren't that holy.

Agree.

Why are you crossposting to so many irrelevant groups?

The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and
write.

It seems HE holds the contrary opinion that we go where there
are endangered souls. That is HIS style afterall.

Hmmm....then you acknowledge that He may well have sent me to keep
you on the straight an narrow?

Your asking indicates that HE has not.

And you know this because God appeared to you in a burning bush and
told you?

No.

Can I get some of that bush to smoke, too?

You can pray and ask for a discerning heart too.

A wise man wrote that we should never STOP praying. That's actually
quite a difficult project, but it's a worthwhile one.

I've set follow-ups.

Your choice. You still have HIS generous gift of free will even
after accepting Jesus as your LORD and Savior.

Will be praying on your behalf, dear Dave.

Really?

Yes.

That's nice.

Or will you be praying for God to bend my will to yours?

No.

That's wise.

The wisdom is from GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and
strength.

I'm still not clear an where you are coming from.

It is written that the coming and goings of those reborn of the
Holy Spirit will be a mystery to others.

No wonder you can't figure me out!

The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform.

HE continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

Well, we can test that theory a bit....but you'd probably rather not.