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"ernobe" |
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21 Dec 2006 12:15:26 PM |
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Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
On Dec 21, 8:49 am, "Dava" <bill45...@aol.com> wrote:
Theism? / Divinity? -
Absolute Man-made hokum!
Any thinking person realises that the Universe is truly an awesome
Quantum / Astronomical creation. As part of that creation, our attempts
at it's full understanding seem futile. Probing the atom or
'heavenly' space & we're contemplating infinities. Fouling up our
minds with a rag-bag of archaic religiose twaddle does nothing to help
enlighten our ignorance!
The ancient philosophers like Aristotle realized that it is impossible
for a finite reality to understand the infinite, and came to the
conclusion that this vast Universe could not have been created by
chance. In accordance with this principle, the Founders of the great
religions have promulgated teachings in accordance to the requirements
of the time they lived in.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
21 Dec 2006 06:08:57 PM |
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"ernobe" <ernobe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166724926.009861.82090@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 21, 8:49 am, "Dava" <bill45...@aol.com> wrote:
Theism? / Divinity? -
Absolute Man-made hokum!
Any thinking person realises that the Universe is truly an awesome
Quantum / Astronomical creation. As part of that creation, our attempts
at it's full understanding seem futile.
I'm glad you incorporated the word 'seem' because our scientists are
learning a hell of a lot about our universe. And guess what, they haven't
come across a molecular-level blood-stained, tortured and crucified 'creator
of the universe' (or was that just his 'daddy' that did that?) waving
'howdy' to them through their electron microscopes. Maybe they've just been
looking behind the wrong molecules, eh'?
Probing the atom or
'heavenly' space & we're contemplating infinities. Fouling up our
minds with a rag-bag of archaic religiose twaddle does nothing to help
enlighten our ignorance!
Now that's 'profound'.
The ancient philosophers like Aristotle realized that it is impossible
for a finite reality to understand the infinite,
Hey! I hate to break the news to you here. But we humans understand the
concept of infinity perfectly well. Really.
and came to the
conclusion that this vast Universe could not have been created by
chance.
Of course not! Zeus created it. Don't believe me? Ask the sea-god, Poseidon.
He'll provide you with all the mind-numbing details.
In accordance with this principle, the Founders of the great
religions have promulgated teachings in accordance to the requirements
of the time they lived in.
And every one of these 'divinely inspired' teachings just as man-derived and
just as bogus 'Holy' as the next.
Don't you find it a bit odd that a lot of religions seem to rely on some
human who is *said* to have been divinely 'touched' and subsequently used a
'holy' mouthpiece for deity instead of that deity openly speaking to mankind
*HIMSELF*! Now why do you think that is?
Greywolf
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
21 Dec 2006 01:12:52 PM |
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ernobe wrote:
On Dec 21, 8:49 am, "Dava" <bill45...@aol.com> wrote:
Theism? / Divinity? -
Absolute Man-made hokum!
Any thinking person realises that the Universe is truly an awesome
Quantum / Astronomical creation. As part of that creation, our attempts
at it's full understanding seem futile. Probing the atom or
'heavenly' space & we're contemplating infinities. Fouling up our
minds with a rag-bag of archaic religiose twaddle does nothing to help
enlighten our ignorance!
The ancient philosophers like Aristotle realized that it is impossible
for a finite reality to understand the infinite, and came to the
conclusion that this vast Universe could not have been created by
chance. In accordance with this principle, the Founders of the great
religions have promulgated teachings in accordance to the requirements
of the time they lived in.
1. So far, there is no proof the universe in infinite. Strike one.
2. The founders of all religions, developed their theologies during
times of ignorance and misunderstandings of the world around them.
Strike two.
3. The ancient philosophers like Aristotle did not have the use of such
modern tools as telescopes, x-ray and gamma ray detection, computers,
microscopes and other advanced technologies that have opened humanities
eyes to the world around us, and the universe at large. Strike three.
You're out, of touch, earlobe.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
21 Dec 2006 01:35:56 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> writes:
ernobe wrote:
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The ancient philosophers like Aristotle realized that it is impossible
for a finite reality to understand the infinite, and came to the
conclusion that this vast Universe could not have been created by
chance. In accordance with this principle, the Founders of the great
religions have promulgated teachings in accordance to the requirements
of the time they lived in.
1. So far, there is no proof the universe in infinite. Strike one.
2. The founders of all religions, developed their theologies during
times of ignorance and misunderstandings of the world around them.
Strike two.
Oh, c'mon, Joseph Smith created Mormonism out of pure fraud in 1830,
well after most people had a clue about how the world works.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
21 Dec 2006 02:24:38 PM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> writes:
2. The founders of all religions, developed their theologies during
times of ignorance and misunderstandings of the world around them.
Strike two.
Oh, c'mon, Joseph Smith created Mormonism out of pure fraud in 1830,
well after most people had a clue about how the world works.
and eLRon started scientology in 1952. Ignorance and misunderstandings
of the world around them are a way of life for most people still.
Jim
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
21 Dec 2006 02:39:47 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> writes:
2. The founders of all religions, developed their theologies during
times of ignorance and misunderstandings of the world around them.
Strike two.
Oh, c'mon, Joseph Smith created Mormonism out of pure fraud in 1830,
well after most people had a clue about how the world works.
and eLRon started scientology in 1952. Ignorance and misunderstandings
of the world around them are a way of life for most people still.
Jim
Scientology isn't a religion. It's a Star Trek convention for adult
children introverts that can't be bothered to leave their fantasies behind.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
22 Dec 2006 12:42:29 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:39:47 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
- Refer: <g28r54-b8s2.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>
J Forbes wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> writes:
2. The founders of all religions, developed their theologies during
times of ignorance and misunderstandings of the world around them.
Strike two.
Oh, c'mon, Joseph Smith created Mormonism out of pure fraud in 1830,
well after most people had a clue about how the world works.
and eLRon started scientology in 1952. Ignorance and misunderstandings
of the world around them are a way of life for most people still.
Jim
Scientology isn't a religion. It's a Star Trek convention for adult
children introverts that can't be bothered to leave their fantasies behind.
That describes all churches.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
22 Dec 2006 12:41:36 AM |
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On 21 Dec 2006 12:24:38 -0800, "J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org>
wrote:
- Refer: <1166732678.541957.28050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
Brian Westley wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> writes:
2. The founders of all religions, developed their theologies during
times of ignorance and misunderstandings of the world around them.
Strike two.
Oh, c'mon, Joseph Smith created Mormonism out of pure fraud in 1830,
well after most people had a clue about how the world works.
and eLRon started scientology in 1952. Ignorance and misunderstandings
of the world around them are a way of life for most people still.
Jim
P. T. Barnam lives!
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
21 Dec 2006 06:44:34 PM |
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People are both willing and capable of believing in 'anything' as long as it
protects them from the panic fear of the finality of death and non
existence!
"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote in message
news:1166732678.541957.28050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Brian Westley wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> writes:
2. The founders of all religions, developed their theologies during
times of ignorance and misunderstandings of the world around them.
Strike two.
Oh, c'mon, Joseph Smith created Mormonism out of pure fraud in 1830,
well after most people had a clue about how the world works.
and eLRon started scientology in 1952. Ignorance and misunderstandings
of the world around them are a way of life for most people still.
Jim
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
21 Dec 2006 01:54:05 PM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> writes:
ernobe wrote:
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The ancient philosophers like Aristotle realized that it is impossible
for a finite reality to understand the infinite, and came to the
conclusion that this vast Universe could not have been created by
chance. In accordance with this principle, the Founders of the great
religions have promulgated teachings in accordance to the requirements
of the time they lived in.
1. So far, there is no proof the universe in infinite. Strike one.
2. The founders of all religions, developed their theologies during
times of ignorance and misunderstandings of the world around them.
Strike two.
Oh, c'mon, Joseph Smith created Mormonism out of pure fraud in 1830,
well after most people had a clue about how the world works.
True, but good ole Joe was after two things, women and money.
What's a big book of lies when you get what you want. That is, till the
angry mob catches up with you.
And granted, in 1830 people did have a clue, but you have to admit, they
were still pretty ignorant on many facts as we know them today. At
least, they were looking for answers, instead of falling back on, "God
did it".
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
21 Dec 2006 02:31:42 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:12:52 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
- Refer: <hv2r54-n2r2.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>
ernobe wrote:
On Dec 21, 8:49 am, "Dava" <bill45...@aol.com> wrote:
Theism? / Divinity? -
Absolute Man-made hokum!
Any thinking person realises that the Universe is truly an awesome
Quantum / Astronomical creation. As part of that creation, our attempts
at it's full understanding seem futile. Probing the atom or
'heavenly' space & we're contemplating infinities. Fouling up our
minds with a rag-bag of archaic religiose twaddle does nothing to help
enlighten our ignorance!
The ancient philosophers like Aristotle realized that it is impossible
for a finite reality to understand the infinite, and came to the
conclusion that this vast Universe could not have been created by
chance. In accordance with this principle, the Founders of the great
religions have promulgated teachings in accordance to the requirements
of the time they lived in.
1. So far, there is no proof the universe in infinite. Strike one.
2. The founders of all religions, developed their theologies during
times of ignorance and misunderstandings of the world around them.
Strike two.
3. The ancient philosophers like Aristotle did not have the use of such
modern tools as telescopes, x-ray and gamma ray detection, computers,
microscopes and other advanced technologies that have opened humanities
eyes to the world around us, and the universe at large. Strike three.
You're out, of touch, earlobe.
That is the understatement of the decade!
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| User: "Rich Corinthian Leather" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
21 Dec 2006 06:53:28 PM |
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ernobe wrote:
On Dec 21, 8:49 am, "Dava" <bill45...@aol.com> wrote:
Theism? / Divinity? -
Absolute Man-made hokum!
Any thinking person realises that the Universe is truly an awesome
Quantum / Astronomical creation. As part of that creation, our attempts
at it's full understanding seem futile. Probing the atom or
'heavenly' space & we're contemplating infinities. Fouling up our
minds with a rag-bag of archaic religiose twaddle does nothing to help
enlighten our ignorance!
The ancient philosophers like Aristotle realized that it is impossible
for a finite reality to understand the infinite, and came to the
conclusion that this vast Universe could not have been created by
chance. In accordance with this principle, the Founders of the great
religions have promulgated teachings in accordance to the requirements
of the time they lived in.
Simply being unable to understand the infinite doesn't, in any way,
offer support to belief in (a) Creators.
The universe, being infinite to our senses, has any number of
possibilities that arise out of its *natural* condition. This, perforce,
prevents any *supernatural* or *metaphysical* occurrence.
The founders of "great" religions were people of their time, bound by
the culture, mores, and knowledge of their times.
RCL
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Can't get more Logical than this |
21 Dec 2006 12:36:32 PM |
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ernobe wrote:
On Dec 21, 8:49 am, "Dava" <bill45...@aol.com> wrote:
Theism? / Divinity? -
Absolute Man-made hokum!
Any thinking person realises that the Universe is truly an awesome
Quantum / Astronomical creation. As part of that creation, our attempts
at it's full understanding seem futile. Probing the atom or
'heavenly' space & we're contemplating infinities. Fouling up our
minds with a rag-bag of archaic religiose twaddle does nothing to help
enlighten our ignorance!
The ancient philosophers like Aristotle realized that it is impossible
for a finite reality to understand the infinite, and came to the
conclusion that this vast Universe could not have been created by
chance.
And one wonders what the "ancient philosophers" might have pondered if
they had the benefits of the knowledge gained by humanity in the years
that have passed since their day.
In accordance with this principle, the Founders of the great
religions have promulgated teachings in accordance to the requirements
of the time they lived in.
There are no "great" religions. Merely large ones.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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