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Religions > Atheism |
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"doktorf" |
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12 Sep 2005 12:06:06 PM |
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Re: Challenge to any "atheist" |
You know, you have posted the same thing several times now that both
fails to answer to any of the responses and also looks like an
unattributed quote from someone else.
A few points that may be useful.
I would argue that if one believes in the Judeo/Christian God,
fundamentalism only serves to confuse things. One can accept the Bible
as an inspired doccument without each and every verse having to be
noncontradictory. The idea that this collection of literature was
written directly by a divine being is clearly absurd. It was written by
many different humans over a period of time that encompassed many
historical eras, styles of writing and social attitudes. Even if you
believe in this God, it is obvious that the Bible is not the product
of a single individual.
Based on that, I would propose that proving a contradiction proves
nothing of particular import. It certainly does not prove or disprove
the existence of this God. The best you will be able to evaluate the
degree of scholarship of one person over another. Frankly, you might
just as well engage in a wrestling match and say that the winner of
that will prove or disprove the existence of God.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Challenge to any "atheist" |
14 Sep 2005 10:00:16 AM |
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"doktorf" <doktorf@tiac.net> wrote in message
news:1126526766.819173.272730@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You know, you have posted the same thing several times now that both
fails to answer to any of the responses and also looks like an
unattributed quote from someone else.
A few points that may be useful.
I would argue that if one believes in the Judeo/Christian God,
fundamentalism only serves to confuse things. One can accept the Bible
as an inspired doccument without each and every verse having to be
noncontradictory. The idea that this collection of literature was
written directly by a divine being is clearly absurd. It was written by
many different humans over a period of time that encompassed many
historical eras, styles of writing and social attitudes. Even if you
believe in this God, it is obvious that the Bible is not the product
of a single individual.
Based on that, I would propose that proving a contradiction proves
nothing of particular import. It certainly does not prove or disprove
the existence of this God. The best you will be able to evaluate the
degree of scholarship of one person over another. Frankly, you might
just as well engage in a wrestling match and say that the winner of
that will prove or disprove the existence of God.
Your type of "god" doesn't exist. Also, there is no claim, that the
Bible was written by some invisible divine being. Rather, the Bible was
authored by God inspired men. See below re. Christian definition of the word
"God" and re. authorship of scripture.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
SCRIPTURE: The case for Sola Scriptura
2Tm:3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
in righteousness
Rev: 22:18-19: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall
add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall
take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away
his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the
things which are written in this book.
Gal:1:9: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any
other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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