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21 Aug 2007 05:46:20 PM |
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Re: China Airlines (the company in Taiwan) |
<abianchen@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1187702205.762784.11990@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Let's wait and see if a couple of stupid Taiwan bashers (KMT bashers)
will say something about it. BTW, KMT has lost power since 2000 and
become opposition party in Taiwan and KMT has also reconciled with CCP
so those KMT bashers need an update from their dated KMT-CCP struggle
mentality, haha!
I don't think there are many of those (Taiwan bashers, I mean) in these
newsgroups - they rarely surface. Know of any that has them? Just curious.
J.
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21 Aug 2007 08:47:39 AM |
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RST is one of them.
On Aug 21, 6:46 pm, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
<abianc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1187702205.762784.11990@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...> Let's wait and see if a couple of stupid Taiwan bashers (KMT bashers)
will say something about it. BTW, KMT has lost power since 2000 and
become opposition party in Taiwan and KMT has also reconciled with CCP
so those KMT bashers need an update from their dated KMT-CCP struggle
mentality, haha!
I don't think there are many of those (Taiwan bashers, I mean) in these
newsgroups - they rarely surface. Know of any that has them? Just curious.
J.
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21 Aug 2007 05:56:45 PM |
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<abianchen@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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RST is one of them.
I mean newsgroups, not individuals.
J.
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21 Aug 2007 08:58:46 AM |
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Dont know... I only read SCC regularly.
On Aug 21, 6:56 pm, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
<abianc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1187704059.382800.237690@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...> RST is one of them.
I mean newsgroups, not individuals.
J.
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| User: "J.Venning" |
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21 Aug 2007 06:08:45 PM |
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<abianchen@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Dont know... I only read SCC regularly.
It is interesting to note that newsgroups in China do not spend their
time bashing Taiwan the way newsgroups outside China bash China.
J.
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22 Aug 2007 12:02:42 PM |
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<abianchen@my-deja.com> wrote in message
<1187736341.867944.66290@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
At present, USA does not support TI. Without that, TI goes nowhere. But
unification does not have many fans in Taiwan either. So what's left?
Status quo. That probbaly is the best for everyone.
At present, the PRC is busy enjoying the fruits of her economic success
to decide what to do about unification, and I am sure that CSB is
intelligent enough to sense this and would *try* to set his plans into
motion. The U.S. is also too busy with the war in Iraq, the election, her
trade deficit, etc., to worry too much about Taiwan's Independence, so the
scene is left open to CSB to pretty much do whatever he likes - but. Like I
said before, he can only go so far without being stopped by the citizens of
Taiwan themselves. At some point in the near future, the Taiwan issue will
again emerge, and whether you, I, or anyone else for that matter, like it or
not, Taiwan is a part of China - the citizens of Taiwan are Chinese - and it
will be in the Interest of the PRC to claim it as part of the nation. It
will be up to the leaders of China to decide which course of action they
will take, when that moment arrives. Each of us has been brought up to
regard this issue from different perspectives, so no one single solution
will satisfy every single person, and I have to stress again the point I
raised earlier, that the leaders of both sides of the Taiwan Straits are
intelligent enough to avoid bloodshed: they have done so for over 50 years,
and their successors are more likely to continue this line of approach, and
to use peaceful means to come to the inevitable conclusion.
I would also like to use this opportunity to say that whatever you, I,
or anyone else in these newsgroups, say about this matter does *NOT* bear
any consequence to the issue. Our opinions do *NOT* mean anything, but
newsgroups the likes of these give us the opportunity to air our views, be
they significant or otherwise, and enable us to see/discuss the viewpoints
of other peoples from various corners of the world. Hopefully our views
catch the attention of possible monitors and be brought to the attention of
people who do have some influence on the matter.
J.
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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22 Aug 2007 02:48:22 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:02:42 -0700, "J.Venning" <J.Venning@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
like it or
not, Taiwan is a part of China - the citizens of Taiwan are Chinese
By similar reasoning, the citizens of America and Australia are
Europeans.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| User: "J.Venning" |
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23 Aug 2007 11:01:10 AM |
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"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:ul4pc359b3r2503uvqe9u6606c5ikent8o@4ax.com...
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:02:42 -0700, "J.Venning" <J.Venning@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
like it or
not, Taiwan is a part of China - the citizens of Taiwan are Chinese
By similar reasoning, the citizens of America and Australia are
Europeans.
Was America/Australia an established part of Europe where an overthrown
government fled and held hopes of retaking Europe the way Taiwan was in
relation to China?
J.
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| User: "brique" |
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22 Aug 2007 03:12:51 PM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:ul4pc359b3r2503uvqe9u6606c5ikent8o@4ax.com...
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:02:42 -0700, "J.Venning" <J.Venning@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
like it or
not, Taiwan is a part of China - the citizens of Taiwan are Chinese
By similar reasoning, the citizens of America and Australia are
Europeans.
Well, the origins of the state of Taiwan were that they were indeed Chinese
and further more, the rightful rulers of the rest of China too. Naturally
those in possession of that 'rest of China' agreed that Taiwan was also
part of China, just annoyingly absent from their enlightened rule.
The main proponents of the current 'non-chinese' nature of Taiwan has been
the USA, having failed in its campaign to establish that it was 'China' for
the purposes of claiming a UN security council seat, has instead now adopted
the 'independent non-chinese' Taiwan as a rather useful off-shore air-strip
and naval facility.
The opinions of the Taiwanese are, naturally, totally irelevant when they
clash with that US philosophy and absolutely paramount when they don't.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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22 Aug 2007 02:58:24 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:48:22 +1000, in alt.atheism
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in
<ul4pc359b3r2503uvqe9u6606c5ikent8o@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:02:42 -0700, "J.Venning" <J.Venning@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
like it or
not, Taiwan is a part of China - the citizens of Taiwan are Chinese
By similar reasoning, the citizens of America and Australia are
Europeans.
Most of 'em.
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22 Aug 2007 07:05:45 AM |
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Well, I am an exception, my opinion counts for one vote in Taiwan,
remember I hold ROC passport and valid Taiwan Resident ID so I can
caste my ballot when it comes to the issue, U, TI or status quo. My
vote is very clear, status quo! Like I said, people like RAK, Don
Trickle etc turn me off on TI and people like RST etc turn me off on
Unification.
On Aug 22, 1:02 pm, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
<abianc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
<1187736341.867944.66...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>>At present, USA does not support TI. Without that, TI goes nowhere. But
unification does not have many fans in Taiwan either. So what's left?
Status quo. That probbaly is the best for everyone.
At present, the PRC is busy enjoying the fruits of her economic success
to decide what to do about unification, and I am sure that CSB is
intelligent enough to sense this and would *try* to set his plans into
motion. The U.S. is also too busy with the war in Iraq, the election, her
trade deficit, etc., to worry too much about Taiwan's Independence, so the
scene is left open to CSB to pretty much do whatever he likes - but. Like I
said before, he can only go so far without being stopped by the citizens of
Taiwan themselves. At some point in the near future, the Taiwan issue will
again emerge, and whether you, I, or anyone else for that matter, like it or
not, Taiwan is a part of China - the citizens of Taiwan are Chinese - and it
will be in the Interest of the PRC to claim it as part of the nation. It
will be up to the leaders of China to decide which course of action they
will take, when that moment arrives. Each of us has been brought up to
regard this issue from different perspectives, so no one single solution
will satisfy every single person, and I have to stress again the point I
raised earlier, that the leaders of both sides of the Taiwan Straits are
intelligent enough to avoid bloodshed: they have done so for over 50 years,
and their successors are more likely to continue this line of approach, and
to use peaceful means to come to the inevitable conclusion.
I would also like to use this opportunity to say that whatever you, I,
or anyone else in these newsgroups, say about this matter does *NOT* bear
any consequence to the issue. Our opinions do *NOT* mean anything, but
newsgroups the likes of these give us the opportunity to air our views, be
they significant or otherwise, and enable us to see/discuss the viewpoints
of other peoples from various corners of the world. Hopefully our views
catch the attention of possible monitors and be brought to the attention of
people who do have some influence on the matter.
J.
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23 Aug 2007 11:01:38 AM |
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<abianchen@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1187784345.001651.24650@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
Well, I am an exception, my opinion counts for one vote in Taiwan,
remember I hold ROC passport and valid Taiwan Resident ID so I can
caste my ballot when it comes to the issue, U, TI or status quo. My
vote is very clear, status quo! (snipped).
Do you consider yourself amongst the majority of the inhabitants in
Taiwan holding this viewpoint? Don't forget, an election can be rigged.
J.
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23 Aug 2007 04:45:41 AM |
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My viewpoint is mainstream viewpoint in Taiwan, ie, status quo.
On Aug 23, 12:01 pm, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
<abianc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1187784345.001651.24650@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...> Well, I am an exception, my opinion counts for one vote in Taiwan,
remember I hold ROC passport and valid Taiwan Resident ID so I can
caste my ballot when it comes to the issue, U, TI or status quo. My
vote is very clear, status quo! (snipped).
Do you consider yourself amongst the majority of the inhabitants in
Taiwan holding this viewpoint? Don't forget, an election can be rigged.
J.
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23 Aug 2007 02:11:21 PM |
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<abian_chen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1187862341.825171.233180@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
My viewpoint is mainstream viewpoint in Taiwan, ie, status quo.
I do not doubt your words, but I don't think the status quo would be
allowed to exist indefinitely, because your leaders will invariably campaign
for either U or TI, and they will be able to summon the military and the
media to sway public opinion to stand by them. I don't believe the PRC would
use military force to unite Taiwan with the Mainland, but they can be pushed
only so far, after which a mere tiny incident may spark off a series of
events leading to a major military confrontation.
J.
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23 Aug 2007 05:21:57 AM |
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True, military confrontation is the main concern of most of Taiwanese
and USA too. At present, the ruling party DPP is pushing TI and USA
is very unhappy because it will drag USA into war. But to change the
status quo, it requires 2/3 of Taiwanese approval. With PRC's
military threat, it's unlikely to pass (without military threat, it is
possible though and that's why CCP has 900 missiles aiming at Taiwan
now, haha!), Anyway, the reason I oppose unification now is because I
just dont see CCP is qualified to be my central government. And the
reason I oppose TI now is because those TI SOB (RAK is one of
examples) teach us to hate anything related to Chinese (otherwise, I
may be fine with TI, haha!).
On Aug 23, 3:11 pm, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
<abian_c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1187862341.825171.233180@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...> My viewpoint is mainstream viewpoint in Taiwan, ie, status quo.
I do not doubt your words, but I don't think the status quo would be
allowed to exist indefinitely, because your leaders will invariably campaign
for either U or TI, and they will be able to summon the military and the
media to sway public opinion to stand by them. I don't believe the PRC would
use military force to unite Taiwan with the Mainland, but they can be pushed
only so far, after which a mere tiny incident may spark off a series of
events leading to a major military confrontation.
J.
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23 Aug 2007 04:54:25 PM |
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<abian_chen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1187864517.018138.43120@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
True, military confrontation is the main concern of most of Taiwanese
and USA too. At present, the ruling party DPP is pushing TI and USA
is very unhappy because it will drag USA into war. But to change the
status quo, it requires 2/3 of Taiwanese approval. With PRC's
military threat, it's unlikely to pass (without military threat, it is
possible though and that's why CCP has 900 missiles aiming at Taiwan
now, haha!), Anyway, the reason I oppose unification now is because I
just dont see CCP is qualified to be my central government. And the
reason I oppose TI now is because those TI SOB (RAK is one of
examples) teach us to hate anything related to Chinese (otherwise, I
may be fine with TI, haha!).
Military threat will always exist between countries that have
different/conflicting ideologies, and the situation on either side of the
Taiwan Straits is no exception. Whatever you may say about the PRC, the
people in China consider the people in Taiwan as Chinese, and rightly so
too. They do not want to see China divided into two nations to fulfill the
dreams of a handful of descendents of the overthrown KMT government. Fear
and hatred of the PRC amongst the Chinese in Taiwan are still remnants of
the Civil War that dragged on into the Cold War, and will remain for a long
time to come, because people will still be subjected to the ideologies of
the present government. I understand fully your sentiment about the
qualifications of those whom you do not respect, and the thing to do is to
qualify yourself and be a part of that governing body one day. I must point
out however, that your excuse for opposing TI is rather invalid - trolls and
hate mongers should also be beneath your stature to even pay any attention
to.
J.
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23 Aug 2007 08:07:20 AM |
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"dreams of a handful of descendents of the overthrown KMT
government"??? What's that? Venning, you said Chinese in Taiwan did
not understand... You do not seem to understand Taiwan either. KMT
has lost power since 2000 and we dont know if KMT can win 2008
presidential election either. Present government is DPP government
not KMT government, cant you oversea pro-China Chinese update yourself
first??? Also, KMT has reconciled with CCP last year (if you dont
know it I can explain to you). And KMT has only about 50%+ support in
Taiwan. It's not KMT causing the problem, in fact, CCP is happy with
KMT. It's DPP causing the problem. Gosh, can't you guys move forward
your brain? It's people like Don Trickle and RAK you need to deal
with.
On Aug 23, 5:54 pm, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
<abian_c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1187864517.018138.43120@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...> True, military confrontation is the main concern of most of Taiwanese
and USA too. At present, the ruling party DPP is pushing TI and USA
is very unhappy because it will drag USA into war. But to change the
status quo, it requires 2/3 of Taiwanese approval. With PRC's
military threat, it's unlikely to pass (without military threat, it is
possible though and that's why CCP has 900 missiles aiming at Taiwan
now, haha!), Anyway, the reason I oppose unification now is because I
just dont see CCP is qualified to be my central government. And the
reason I oppose TI now is because those TI SOB (RAK is one of
examples) teach us to hate anything related to Chinese (otherwise, I
may be fine with TI, haha!).
Military threat will always exist between countries that have
different/conflicting ideologies, and the situation on either side of the
Taiwan Straits is no exception. Whatever you may say about the PRC, the
people in China consider the people in Taiwan as Chinese, and rightly so
too. They do not want to see China divided into two nations to fulfill the
dreams of a handful of descendents of the overthrown KMT government. Fear
and hatred of the PRC amongst the Chinese in Taiwan are still remnants of
the Civil War that dragged on into the Cold War, and will remain for a long
time to come, because people will still be subjected to the ideologies of
the present government. I understand fully your sentiment about the
qualifications of those whom you do not respect, and the thing to do is to
qualify yourself and be a part of that governing body one day. I must point
out however, that your excuse for opposing TI is rather invalid - trolls and
hate mongers should also be beneath your stature to even pay any attention
to.
J.
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23 Aug 2007 05:18:02 PM |
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<abian_chen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1187874440.784188.305330@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"dreams of a handful of descendents of the overthrown KMT
government"??? What's that? Venning, you said Chinese in Taiwan did
not understand... You do not seem to understand Taiwan either. KMT
has lost power since 2000 and we dont know if KMT can win 2008
presidential election either. Present government is DPP government
not KMT government, cant you oversea pro-China Chinese update yourself
first??? Also, KMT has reconciled with CCP last year (if you dont
know it I can explain to you). And KMT has only about 50%+ support in
Taiwan. It's not KMT causing the problem, in fact, CCP is happy with
KMT. It's DPP causing the problem. Gosh, can't you guys move forward
your brain? It's people like Don Trickle and RAK you need to deal
with.
O.K., I'll go and update myself. This may take a long time.
J.
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23 Aug 2007 08:31:02 AM |
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It does not have to take long unless you can not overcome your Chinese
nationalism. And Chinese nationalism can be good and also be like a
disease, you know that, dont you?
On Aug 23, 6:18 pm, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
<abian_c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1187874440.784188.305330@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...> "dreams of a handful of descendents of the overthrown KMT
government"??? What's that? Venning, you said Chinese in Taiwan did
not understand... You do not seem to understand Taiwan either. KMT
has lost power since 2000 and we dont know if KMT can win 2008
presidential election either. Present government is DPP government
not KMT government, cant you oversea pro-China Chinese update yourself
first??? Also, KMT has reconciled with CCP last year (if you dont
know it I can explain to you). And KMT has only about 50%+ support in
Taiwan. It's not KMT causing the problem, in fact, CCP is happy with
KMT. It's DPP causing the problem. Gosh, can't you guys move forward
your brain? It's people like Don Trickle and RAK you need to deal
with.
O.K., I'll go and update myself. This may take a long time.
J.
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23 Aug 2007 04:13:23 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:54:25 -0700, "J.Venning"
<J.Venning@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Military threat will always exist between countries
that have different/conflicting ideologies, and the
situation on either side of the Taiwan Straits is no
exception. Whatever you may say about the PRC, the
people in China consider the people in Taiwan as
Chinese, and rightly so too. They do not want to see
China divided into two nations to fulfill the dreams
of a handful of descendents of the overthrown KMT
government.
China is divided into two nations because many people
violently object to the political and economic system
brutally imposed by the communists. If the post
communists want reunification, they should continue with
reform.
China must become like Taiwan and Hong Kong.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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24 Aug 2007 11:29:28 AM |
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"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:5vtrc3tj3gn0t91qbastktvi7ov2aguv09@4ax.com...
China is divided into two nations because many people
violently object to the political and economic system
brutally imposed by the communists. If the post
communists want reunification, they should continue with
reform.
China must become like Taiwan and Hong Kong.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
Suggestion noted and duly shelved.
Next.
J.
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23 Aug 2007 09:41:08 PM |
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<abianchen@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Nah, I dont really care anymore. It's beyond my control, all I have
is one vote.
Oh, come, come ! What you need is a little deviation from your daily
chores. Today is the 94th birthday of The Little Mermaid, and here in
Copenhagen, 94 beautiful young girls did a formation swimming routine around
her. Here's a little article on it today's national newspaper:
http://www.aok.dk/profile/32555 .
J.
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23 Aug 2007 05:37:05 PM |
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On Aug 23, 7:41 pm, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
<abianc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1187888835.223302.14170@q4g2000prc.googlegroups.com...> Nah, I dont really care anymore. It's beyond my control, all I have
is one vote.
Oh, come, come ! What you need is a little deviation from your daily
chores. Today is the 94th birthday of The Little Mermaid, and here in
Copenhagen, 94 beautiful young girls did a formation swimming routine around
her. Here's a little article on it today's national newspaper:http://www.aok.dk/profile/32555.
Pictures, JV, pictures! ;-) The one in that link soooo tiny.
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24 Aug 2007 09:14:12 AM |
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<bmoore@nyx.net> wrote in message
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Pictures, JV, pictures! ;-) The one in that link soooo tiny.
That was the only one available on line, since the event was given a
prime time TV coverage. Anyway, you wouldn't want to see 18 year-old Danish
nymphs in bikinis, do you?
J.
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24 Aug 2007 01:25:24 PM |
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On Aug 24, 7:14 am, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
<bmo...@nyx.net> wrote in message
news:1187908625.017732.123740@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...> Pictures, JV, pictures! ;-) The one in that link soooo tiny.
That was the only one available on line, since the event was given a
prime time TV coverage. Anyway, you wouldn't want to see 18 year-old Danish
nymphs in bikinis, do you?
No, no. Of course not.
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| Title: Re: China Airlines (the company in Taiwan) |
21 Aug 2007 09:22:49 AM |
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Well, I know mainland Chinese would boycott Taiwanese singers or
actors if they have shown any sign of disrespect or ignorance about
Chinese matters. One Taiwanese actress made a stupid remark on anti-
Japanese war recently and now her TV dramas were boycotted by mainland
Chinese. I think it's overreacting and a sign of inferioity complex,
after all we know alot of people in entertainment business are not
smart or properly educated.
On Aug 21, 7:08 pm, "J.Venning" <J.Venn...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
<abianc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1187704726.880693.263550@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...> Dont know... I only read SCC regularly.
It is interesting to note that newsgroups in China do not spend their
time bashing Taiwan the way newsgroups outside China bash China.
J.
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