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04 Oct 2005 06:56:57 PM |
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Re: Christian method of crime control |
"RawTruth" <me@alltel.net> wrote in
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Why is the black crime rate so high? ...as apposed
to the largest minority in america... Hispanics.
There are problems with the standard liberal view of crime.
Writing from Great Britain, I see Africans, who are by-and-large 5% less
intelligent than native British, while the British Isles are being
invaded by people from the Indian sub-continent, who are on average, 2%
more intelligent than Anglo-Saxons.
Towards the end of the 1990s, I was lucky to be called friend by Ali, a
former officer in the Iraqi Army, who defected during the Iran-Iraq war,
and met up with his family in London. We discussed politics a lot, and
being fluent I got the better of him, in every topic, other than race.
Ali was too polite to put it this direct, but in summary, all he said
was, "open your f'in eyes will yer? A man is shouting into a mobile
phone on bus, is he black or white?"
I plead for honesty. We need to address these problems, help people to
help themselves, and return that benefit to society, even if only in
taxes, Colin Powell style.
I've been to prison, for three weeks, without a criminal charge (it can
be done by civil courts in England, though it's rare). I noticed the
race minority inmates, Africans, Afro-Caribbean and Pakistan origin
people, where definitely more decent than their white peers. Perhaps
because it's easier to get sent to prison, if you're non-white.
Racist? I don't give a 5h1t: it's the truth. Face that, and deal with
it in a sensitive and humane way, or society will inflict more crime on
the vulnerable.
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Croucher Rs-lickin GmbH (Zürich)
http://rowlandcroucher.chelmsfordbaptist.com/
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04 Oct 2005 07:21:04 PM |
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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05 Oct 2005 04:41:43 AM |
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All claimed gay Christians are frauds.
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 00:21:04 GMT, (• Ninure Saunders)
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| User: "Rowland Croucher" |
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05 Oct 2005 07:03:19 AM |
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Barry OGrady <atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote in
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All claimed gay Christians are frauds.
No different to the rest of Christendom, then?
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Croucher Rs-lickin GmbH (Zürich)
http://rowlandcroucher.chelmsfordbaptist.com/
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| User: "• Ninure Saunders" |
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05 Oct 2005 09:15:21 AM |
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Jesus is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
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My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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06 Oct 2005 02:20:38 AM |
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All claimed gay Christians are frauds.
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:15:21 GMT, (• Ninure Saunders) wrote:
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| User: "alanm" |
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07 Oct 2005 08:13:54 AM |
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"Barry OGrady" <atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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All claimed gay Christians are frauds.
What about Dolt ?
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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07 Oct 2005 11:59:04 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:13:54 GMT, "alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote:
"Barry OGrady" <atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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All claimed gay Christians are frauds.
What about Dolt ?
Dolt has his own religion.
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| User: "Rowland Croucher" |
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06 Oct 2005 08:45:30 AM |
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Barry OGrady <atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote in
news:lvj9k1d51pnil8n7liqpiqbh81g47duidj@4ax.com:
All claimed gay Christians are frauds.
I suppose accusing someone who says his name is Rowland Butter, of
fraudulently claiming to be His Reverence the Rowland Keith Philip
Croucher of Australian Christo-hypocrisy, is not fraud, because it's so
obviously a lie?
Good grounds for locking up everyone with 302.0 though.
--
Rowland Butter (neé Croucher)
Croucher Rs-lickin GmbH (Zürich)
http://rowlandcroucher.chelmsfordbaptist.com/
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| User: "Br@dley" |
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06 Oct 2005 05:02:22 PM |
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Rowland Croucher wrote:
Barry OGrady <atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote in
news:lvj9k1d51pnil8n7liqpiqbh81g47duidj@4ax.com:
All claimed gay Christians are frauds.
I suppose accusing someone who says his name is Rowland Butter, of
fraudulently claiming to be His Reverence the Rowland Keith Philip
Croucher of Australian Christo-hypocrisy, is not fraud, because it's
so obviously a lie?
Good grounds for locking up everyone with 302.0 though.
Give it up dude, he's not here any more. Sheesh.
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regards,
Bradley
A Christian Response
http://www.pastornet.net.au/response
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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06 Oct 2005 02:18:55 AM |
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On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:03:19 +0000 (UTC), "Rowland Croucher" <rccroucher @optusnet.com.fu.au>
wrote:
Barry OGrady <atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8s77k1t14rcqbpn5avpmfs5jtmvib4fmdk@4ax.com:
All claimed gay Christians are frauds.
No different to the rest of Christendom, then?
Correct.
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Rowland Butter (neé Croucher)
Croucher Rs-lickin GmbH (Zürich)
http://rowlandcroucher.chelmsfordbaptist.com/
Barry
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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05 Oct 2005 09:35:18 PM |
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Barry OGrady <atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote:
All claimed gay Christians are frauds.
About 12% of all Christians are gay.
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Bush is a Christian. Get over it!
"You don't have my permission to take my picture!" - Santa Claus
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| User: "Rowland Croucher" |
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06 Oct 2005 08:50:48 AM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in news:11k93cg1ama39d5
@corp.supernews.com:
About 12% of all Christians are gay.
What about Pastafarians?
http://www.venganza.org/
Bush is a Christian. Get over it!
Here endeth the intelligent Design theory.
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Rowland Butter (neé Croucher)
Croucher Rs-lickin GmbH (Zürich)
http://rowlandcroucher.chelmsfordbaptist.com/
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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07 Oct 2005 08:32:41 PM |
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"Rowland Croucher" <rccroucher @ optusnet.com.fu.au> wrote:
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in news:11k93cg1ama39d5 @corp.supernews.com:
About 12% of all Christians are gay.
What about Pastafarians?
That would depending on what percentage of the populace are comprised
of Pastafarians. The United States populace is approximately 12% gay
-- or more accurately, that's the percentage that self identify as
such. "Gay" and "straight" are not clear-cut, strongly demarcated
lines of sexual behavior or orientation.
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http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
Bush is a Christian. Get over it!
"You don't have my permission to take my picture!" - Santa Claus
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| User: "Rowland Croucher" |
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07 Oct 2005 11:37:33 PM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
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What about Pastafarians?
That would depending on what percentage of
the populace are comprised of Pastafarians.
You could have answered my question, were you not Pastafarianophobic. You
have nothing to fear from Pastafarians, who simply worship the true God.
http://www.venganza.org/
Perhaps in 3000 years, society will realize Pastafarians are no threat.
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Rowland Butter (neé Croucher)
Croucher Rs-lickin GmbH (Zürich)
http://rowlandcroucher.chelmsfordbaptist.com/
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07 Oct 2005 09:44:06 PM |
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In NSW, during the Twentieth Century, murder rates were at their lowest
in the period from 1919 to 1957 - that period includes the Depression
and World War II years.
In Sydney's Western Suburbs we had flimsy fly-sceens on doors and
windows, could sleep with doors and windows open, some even left keys
under mats when they went out.
Some youths stole fruit in season. Adults supervised children and
teenagers in outdoor activities and disciplined children in the home.
There was an emphasis on right behaviours in school, church/Sunday
school/ Scout - Guide groups and the home - in some instances either
with emphasis on the Ten Commandments given to Moses by God or the
teachings of Jesus Christ to love and help others, obey parents and
others in authority.
The post-war years brought an emphais, by secular psychologists on no
physical punishment and changing societal norms. While some change was
necessary, there came to be a rebelliousness that had not existed
previously. Many have suffered as the extent of the problems were not
revealed so defensive actions could have been taken earlier.
I heard on TV this week of a conference to bring about a better
Australia. Unfortunately I tuned in and did not hear all the details.
Perhaps more will come next week.
However, it can be that, in some aspects, we can progress forwards
better by going backwards into the past, acknowledging where mistakes
were made and learning from the moral/ethical/religious ideas/truths of
those who worked to make Australia better in those
years.
Gladys Swager
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| User: "Jude Alexander" |
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08 Oct 2005 03:22:28 AM |
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<swager@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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In NSW, during the Twentieth Century, murder rates were at their lowest
in the period from 1919 to 1957 - that period includes the Depression
and World War II years.
Could it be that all the vast majority of murderers were drafted and/or
enlisted? Think about THAT... really....
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12 Oct 2005 02:47:48 PM |
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Jude Alexander wrote:
<swager@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:1128739446.185533.227680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
In NSW, during the Twentieth Century, murder rates were at their lowest
in the period from 1919 to 1957 - that period includes the Depression
and World War II years.
Could it be that all the vast majority of murderers were drafted and/or
enlisted? Think about THAT... really....
From information I have from the Bureau of Crime Statistics the higher
crime rate in the early 20th Century was influenced by a higher level
of Infanticide when some with larger families could not meet the costs
of another child at a time when contraceptives were not available.
From 1919 to the beginning of World War II in 1939 there was a period
of twenty years, about half of which were Depression years. It is a
fact that the lowest crime rates were in those Depression years. There
was a period of 12 years after the war ended before murder rates rose
first above any previous years in that century.
It is true that during the Second World War that there was conscription
and some who may have committed a murder in Australia were called up.
All servicemen are directed to kill (murder) those of the enemy. But,
without statistics, I would think that most ex-servicemen did not
murder on return to civilian life.
So what was the reason for the increase from 1957? In the Cabramatta
area of NSW, there was an increase in Youth Gang activity by 1954 in
the Migrant Hostel. However, many young school-age children were well
behaved and responsive in class. Perhaps, if the parents who knew the
youths causing trouble and knew the avenues of complaint they may have
been able to report the problems. But the Police Union would have known
of the increased problems and didn't alert the whole community.
The teachings of Jesus Christ is one of right attitudes towards others.
He said that the Ten Commandments (in their social aspects) were to
love our neighbours. The Parable of the Good Samaritan tells us that,
in its highest meaning, a neighbour is anyone in need, not just those
who live close to us.
So the Christian method of Crime Control is an awareness by everyone of
social responsibility towards others. That means that the
stimulus-response ideas of psychology should have no place in
behaviours towards others.
Gladys Swager
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| User: "Jude Alexander" |
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12 Oct 2005 04:46:18 PM |
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<swager@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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Jude Alexander wrote:
<swager@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:1128739446.185533.227680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
In NSW, during the Twentieth Century, murder rates were at their
lowest
in the period from 1919 to 1957 - that period includes the Depression
and World War II years.
Could it be that all the vast majority of murderers were drafted and/or
enlisted? Think about THAT... really....
From information I have from the Bureau of Crime Statistics the higher
crime rate in the early 20th Century was influenced by a higher level
of Infanticide when some with larger families could not meet the costs
of another child at a time when contraceptives were not available.
You'll have to show me the link to the FBI statistic or I will NOT believe
that the murder rate was influenced in any major way by infanticide. Sorry,
it just doesn't jive. I can admit I'm wrong about that if you give me the
link.
From 1919 to the beginning of World War II in 1939 there was a period
of twenty years, about half of which were Depression years. It is a
fact that the lowest crime rates were in those Depression years. There
was a period of 12 years after the war ended before murder rates rose
first above any previous years in that century.
Yeah, a lot of men didn't come back from the war and it took awhile for the
younger men to grow up and start raising the crime rate of murder agian.
It is true that during the Second World War that there was conscription
and some who may have committed a murder in Australia were called up.
All servicemen are directed to kill (murder) those of the enemy. But,
without statistics, I would think that most ex-servicemen did not
murder on return to civilian life.
I'm not talking about conscription. I'm talking about that if ALL able
bodied men are recruited during a war, the murderers, rapists, etc. are
recruited also. After the war is over, the number of men who return to
their countries is cut short and therefore the crime rate will take awhile
to climb back up.
So what was the reason for the increase from 1957? In the Cabramatta
area of NSW, there was an increase in Youth Gang activity by 1954 in
the Migrant Hostel. However, many young school-age children were well
behaved and responsive in class. Perhaps, if the parents who knew the
youths causing trouble and knew the avenues of complaint they may have
been able to report the problems. But the Police Union would have known
of the increased problems and didn't alert the whole community.
The teachings of Jesus Christ is one of right attitudes towards others.
He said that the Ten Commandments (in their social aspects) were to
love our neighbours. The Parable of the Good Samaritan tells us that,
in its highest meaning, a neighbour is anyone in need, not just those
who live close to us.
So the Christian method of Crime Control is an awareness by everyone of
social responsibility towards others. That means that the
stimulus-response ideas of psychology should have no place in
behaviours towards others.
Gladys Swager
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13 Oct 2005 02:44:01 AM |
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Jude, The time period between the end of the First World War (1918)
and the start of the Second World War (1939) was 21 years. During that
time the murder and general crime rates were the lowest last century.
The time period between the end of Second World War (1945) and the
increase in the murder rate to higher rates than previously (1957) was
12 years - close to half the previous period..
What were the factors that caused that increase?
How many mothers may have chosen not to discipline their children while
their fathers were in the services?
One important factor may have been the changed discipline of children.
One Educational Psychologist - and how many more of that profession? -
believed in 1946 that physical punishment of children caused them to
grow up to be immature. No physical punishment in some instances
produced children who used temper tantrums to get their own way, caused
increased behaviour problems in some classes. Could that have been one
contributing factor to the post-war increase in crime by 1957?
I am aware that the physical punishment of some children was excessive,
and in some instances, unjustified.
No physical punishment needs a carefully planned programme to bring the
children to act responsibly of their own choice.
Christian teaching, given in the right way, did just that as rules were
known.
The undermining of Christianity, as I date it, began from the early
1960' s with the teaching of Evolution in schools and from the early
1970's as criticism of some Christians (named) was given media
prominence.
Secularists - atheists - weren't named as such when they transgressed,
as far as I was aware.
Gladys Swager
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| User: "Jude Alexander" |
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13 Oct 2005 07:52:57 AM |
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<swager@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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Jude, The time period between the end of the First World War (1918)
and the start of the Second World War (1939) was 21 years. During that
time the murder and general crime rates were the lowest last century.
I'm only saying that is because the population of men decreased and so the
violent crime rate also decreased.
The time period between the end of Second World War (1945) and the
increase in the murder rate to higher rates than previously (1957) was
12 years - close to half the previous period..
For the point I'm making the difference between 21 and 12 years doesn't
matter. What DOES matter is the fact that after war, the population of men
decrease and so does the violent crime rate. The violent crime violators
also get drafted and they also get killed during war.
What were the factors that caused that increase?
Other than the fact that population increased, I don't know how you compare
21 and 12 years (9 year difference) and come up with any conclusion. Sorry,
but I don't see your point. Please make it more clearer to me. It may be
that I'm being dense and just not getting it.... IF you're wondering why
the increase back to the previous statistic took less time, it's probably
because of the population increase between WWI and WWII and the number of
violent men in US overall.
How many mothers may have chosen not to discipline their children while
their fathers were in the services?
One important factor may have been the changed discipline of children.
One Educational Psychologist - and how many more of that profession? -
believed in 1946 that physical punishment of children caused them to
grow up to be immature. No physical punishment in some instances
produced children who used temper tantrums to get their own way, caused
increased behaviour problems in some classes. Could that have been one
contributing factor to the post-war increase in crime by 1957?
I don't think so. I know parents who have NEVER physically touched their
children except for a small wallop to the behind intended more as a shaming
tactic than a real giving of pain and those kids are okay and grew up better
than most. Another family I know that got only one real spanking and that
is because he pretended to be dead to his mother. He got some pretty good
licks to the behind. Those children are all grown up, they are pretty darn
balanced and so are their kids who received discipline but not corporal
punishment. They were talked to, they were made to go to their room,
priviledges were taken away, etc. I think that physical punishment does more
for the releasing of the anger of the parents unfortunately in TRUE life.
Do you know what I mean? Discipline, yes, corporal punishment, no. It CAN
be done and it turns out children who are better adults.
I am aware that the physical punishment of some children was excessive,
and in some instances, unjustified.
No physical punishment needs a carefully planned programme to bring the
children to act responsibly of their own choice.
Christian teaching, given in the right way, did just that as rules were
known.
The undermining of Christianity, as I date it, began from the early
1960' s with the teaching of Evolution in schools and from the early
1970's as criticism of some Christians (named) was given media
prominence.
The believe in Jesus is not the problem, it's the people who believe in
Jesus. Not all are okay and many are very sick. THAT is a fact because
I've know many a fundamentalist who are the biggest scams, liars,
charaltans, hypocrites, etc.
Secularists - atheists - weren't named as such when they transgressed,
as far as I was aware.
Gladys Swager
I think Jesus is about the most A-POLITICAL example a Christian could have,
don't you?
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07 Oct 2005 10:21:15 AM |
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Alert Forged Post!!
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Forgery Alert!
All posts in this thread, supposedly made by Rowland Croucher, are forgeries.
The real Rowland Crouxher is at present taking a break from posting on Usenet.
Rowland Croucher¹s real Website
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/
(15800+ articles, 3450 clean jokes/stories)
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Pax Christi,
• Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
Jesus is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
The Bible Site - help provide free scripture
http://www.thebiblesite.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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07 Oct 2005 11:59:59 PM |
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Stop ya complaining women. Get back in the kitchen.
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:21:15 GMT, (• Ninure Saunders) wrote:
Alert Forged Post!!
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Forgery Alert!
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Rowland Croucher¹s real Website
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/
(15800+ articles, 3450 clean jokes/stories)
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Pax Christi,
• Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
Jesus is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
The Bible Site - help provide free scripture
http://www.thebiblesite.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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