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17 Jul 2006 08:51:05 PM |
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Re: Christianity is death worship |
On 17 Jul 2006 01:54:27 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Christianity is death worship
Stated by a man who cannot think past his self
and thinks that this world is all there is.
Goodbye.
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"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
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"For the word of God is sharper than any two edged sword."
"Paleontologists have paid an enormous price for
Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true
students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored
account of evolution by natural selection we view our
data as so bad that we almost never see the very
process we profess to study. ...The history of most
fossil species includes two features particularly
inconsistent with gradualism: 1. Stasis. Most species
exhibit no directional change during their tenure on
earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much
the same as when they disappear; morphological change I
usually limited and directionless. 2. Sudden
appearance. In any local area, a species does not
arise gradually by the steady transformation of its
ancestors; it appears all at once and 'fully formed.'"
(Gould, Stephen J. The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity is death worship |
17 Jul 2006 10:53:26 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Dave
(zananias917z@gmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On 17 Jul 2006 01:54:27 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Christianity is death worship
Stated by a man who cannot think past his self
and thinks that this world is all there is.
By that I have to assume you have proof that this world is not all there
is. Please post it here:
Goodbye.
Oh. I'm sorry. I guess you assumed we would accept your claim as proof.
Idiot.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity is death worship |
18 Jul 2006 12:56:56 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:53:26 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Dave
(zananias917z@gmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On 17 Jul 2006 01:54:27 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Christianity is death worship
Stated by a man who cannot think past his self
and thinks that this world is all there is.
By that I have to assume you have proof that this world is not all there
is. Please post it here:
Right. There is another place called HOME.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity is death worship |
18 Jul 2006 11:33:19 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Eric Brze
(brze@no.spam.mail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:53:26 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Dave
(zananias917z@gmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On 17 Jul 2006 01:54:27 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Christianity is death worship
Stated by a man who cannot think past his self
and thinks that this world is all there is.
By that I have to assume you have proof that this world is not all
there is. Please post it here:
Right. There is another place called HOME.
Eric, that space was reserved for proof. I'm going to have to have you
towed away.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity is death worship |
18 Jul 2006 02:27:58 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:33:19 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Eric Brze
(brze@no.spam.mail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:53:26 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Dave
(zananias917z@gmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On 17 Jul 2006 01:54:27 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Christianity is death worship
Stated by a man who cannot think past his self
and thinks that this world is all there is.
By that I have to assume you have proof that this world is not all
there is. Please post it here:
Right. There is another place called HOME.
Eric, that space was reserved for proof. I'm going to have to have you
towed away.
The proof is evident for everybody. When in deep sleep, we all go HOME
to rest and recuperate only for another beautiful day in this
beautiful land to enjoy life.
:-)
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| User: "colp" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity is death worship |
22 Jul 2006 01:03:23 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
By that I have to assume you have proof that this world is not all there
is. Please post it here:
From the Sepher Yetzirah:
From them engrave seven firmaments, seven earths, seven weeks. (4:4)
From the Qur'an:
Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar
number. (65:12)
Standards of proof may vary :)
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity is death worship |
17 Jul 2006 10:28:45 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
*************************************************
The outrageous failed prophecy of Jesus
that he'd preside over the end of the world
and judgment day itself 1930 years ago.
William C. Barwell 3-16-05
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Deuteronomy 18:21-2
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we
know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the
LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass,
that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken,
but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously:
thou shalt not be afraid of him.
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Jesus prophesied he'd preside over the end of
the world (Matthew 24:3) and judgment day itself,
(Matthew 16:27-8), he claims he will "come in his
kingdom"and "reward all men according to their
acts".
This is expanded on in Matthew 25:31-45.
He will come in the glory of his angels,
he will be "the King". He will ascend to his
"throne of glory" and gather the nations.
He will sort the "sheep" from the "goats" the
good from the evil. Good will be rewarded with
eternal life in heaven, evil will depart into
"everlasting fire prepared for the devil and
his apostles" (Matthew 25:41)
This is what he means by come in his kingdom.
He will literally be "the King" of the world,
And will preside over judgment day itself.
(Matthew 25:31-34), (John 5:23, 5:27).
When? Matthew 16:27-8 has Jesus assuring his
listeners that "some standing here" will live
to see this all happen. See also Mark 9:1.
Matthew 24-5 is one long pericope. A narrative.
Here we are assured that this will happen in
"this generation", Matthew 24:36, see also Luke
21:32, and Mark 13:30.
This generation will see the sun and moon fail,
the stars fall from heaven. Then Jesus will
descend with his fathers angels and "clouds
of heaven". "This generation" is to see this.
Again, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21.
He tells the high priest at Jerusalem that he
too will see Jesus descend with "clouds of heaven"
the same phrase he tells us "this generation"
is to see in Matthew 24:36. See also Mark 14:62.
This phrase "clouds of heaven" of Matthew 26:64
and Mark 14:62 thus pins down the happenings of
Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 to be seen in
the times of "this generation" as being seen by
then living high priest, and "Some standing here".
Not some generation 1930 years later.
The "high priest", "this generation", "Some
standing here" did not see these things happen
as prophesied.
No religion has ever failed as spectacularly in
its'prophecies' as has Christianity.
This also puts an end to Revelations, all of that
too was to have taken place some 1930 years ago.
Christianity thus is incredibly irrelevant to
anything, having utterly failed in the main claim
of Jesus, when none of this happened as
prophesied,
by Jesus, alleged god himself according to many
trinitarian Christians.
If Jesus, supposed son of god was so wrong on
this, his main claim, he isn't going to be right
on anything else. This is the most obvious failed
'prophet' and the most failed religion of all
time.
And its finally time to admit these facts.
(End)
The verses quoted.
Matthew 16:27-8
27 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of
his Father with his angels; and then he shall
reward every man according to his works.
28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing
here, which shall not taste of death, till they
see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 9
1 And he said unto them, "Verily I say unto you,
That there be some of them that stand here, which
shall not taste of death, till they have seen the
kingdom of God come with power.
Matthew 25:30
31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him, then shall he
sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 "And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another, as a
shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 "And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.
34 "Then shall the King say unto them on his right
hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the
kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of
the world:
41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left
hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting
fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those
days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall
not give her light, and the stars shall fall from
heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken:
30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of
man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of
the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory.
31 "And he shall send his angels with a great
sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together
his elect from the four winds, from one end of
heaven to the other.
32 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his
branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye
know that summer is nigh:
33 "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these
things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall
not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words
shall not pass away.
Matthew 26
64 Jesus saith unto him, "Thou hast said:
nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye
see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of
power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 14
62 And Jesus said, "I am: and ye shall see the Son
of man sitting on the right hand of power, and
coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 13
24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the
sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give
her light,
25 "And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the
powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming
in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 "And then shall he send his angels, and shall
gather together his elect from the four winds,
from the uttermost part of the earth to the
uttermost part of heaven.
28 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her
branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye
know that summer is near:
29 "So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these
things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at
the doors.
30 "Verily I say unto you, that this generation
shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words
shall not pass away.
Luke 21
25 "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in
the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth
distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and
the waves roaring;
26 "Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for
looking after those things which are coming on the
earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming
in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 "And when these things begin to come to pass,
then look up, and lift up your heads; for your
redemption draweth nigh.
29 And he spake to them a parable; "Behold the fig
tree, and all the trees;
30 "When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of
your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 "So likewise ye, when ye see these things come
to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh
at hand.
32 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall
not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33 "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words
shall not pass away.
Deuteronomy 18
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among
their brethren, like unto thee, and will put
my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto
them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will
not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in
my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a
word in my name, which I have not commanded him to
speak, or that shall speak in the name of other
gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we
know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the
LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass,
that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken,
but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously:
thou shalt not be afraid of him.
--
"Laughter is not a sin intrinsically, but it produces sin"
"Homilies - Adversus ebriosos et de resurrectione domini
nostri Jesu" - St. John Chrysostom
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| User: "colp" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity is death worship |
22 Jul 2006 12:54:56 AM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Pastor Dave wrote:
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
*************************************************
The outrageous failed prophecy of Jesus
that he'd preside over the end of the world
and judgment day itself 1930 years ago.
William C. Barwell 3-16-05
*************************************************
There wasn't any such prophecy made by Jesus.
One was spoken of as the Messiah ben Joseph, the other as Messiah ben David.
15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of
by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him
understand)
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the
midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to
cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it]
desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be
poured upon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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22 Jul 2006 06:26:24 AM |
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colp wrote:
There wasn't any such prophecy made by Jesus.
One was spoken of as the Messiah ben Joseph, the other as Messiah ben
David.
*************************************************
The outrageous failed prophecy of Jesus
that he'd preside over the end of the world
and judgment day itself 1930 years ago.
William C. Barwell 3-16-05
*************************************************
Deuteronomy 18:21-2
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we
know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the
LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass,
that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken,
but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously:
thou shalt not be afraid of him.
----------------------------------------------
Jesus prophesied he'd preside over the end of
the world (Matthew 24:3) and judgment day itself,
(Matthew 16:27-8), he claims he will "come in his
kingdom"and "reward all men according to their
acts".
This is expanded on in Matthew 25:31-45.
He will come in the glory of his angels,
he will be "the King". He will ascend to his
"throne of glory" and gather the nations.
He will sort the "sheep" from the "goats" the
good from the evil. Good will be rewarded with
eternal life in heaven, evil will depart into
"everlasting fire prepared for the devil and
his apostles" (Matthew 25:41)
This is what he means by come in his kingdom.
He will literally be "the King" of the world,
And will preside over judgment day itself.
(Matthew 25:31-34), (John 5:23, 5:27).
When? Matthew 16:27-8 has Jesus assuring his
listeners that "some standing here" will live
to see this all happen. See also Mark 9:1.
Matthew 24-5 is one long pericope. A narrative.
Here we are assured that this will happen in
"this generation", Matthew 24:36, see also Luke
21:32, and Mark 13:30.
This generation will see the sun and moon fail,
the stars fall from heaven. Then Jesus will
descend with his fathers angels and "clouds
of heaven". "This generation" is to see this.
Again, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21.
He tells the high priest at Jerusalem that he
too will see Jesus descend with "clouds of heaven"
the same phrase he tells us "this generation"
is to see in Matthew 24:36. See also Mark 14:62.
This phrase "clouds of heaven" of Matthew 26:64
and Mark 14:62 thus pins down the happenings of
Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 to be seen in
the times of "this generation" as being seen by
then living high priest, and "Some standing here".
Not some generation 1930 years later.
The "high priest", "this generation", "Some
standing here" did not see these things happen
as prophesied.
No religion has ever failed as spectacularly in
its'prophecies' as has Christianity.
This also puts an end to Revelations, all of that
too was to have taken place some 1930 years ago.
Christianity thus is incredibly irrelevant to
anything, having utterly failed in the main claim
of Jesus, when none of this happened as
prophesied,
by Jesus, alleged god himself according to many
trinitarian Christians.
If Jesus, supposed son of god was so wrong on
this, his main claim, he isn't going to be right
on anything else. This is the most obvious failed
'prophet' and the most failed religion of all
time.
And its finally time to admit these facts.
(End)
The verses quoted.
Matthew 16:27-8
27 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of
his Father with his angels; and then he shall
reward every man according to his works.
28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing
here, which shall not taste of death, till they
see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 9
1 And he said unto them, "Verily I say unto you,
That there be some of them that stand here, which
shall not taste of death, till they have seen the
kingdom of God come with power.
Matthew 25:30
31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him, then shall he
sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 "And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another, as a
shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 "And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.
34 "Then shall the King say unto them on his right
hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the
kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of
the world:
41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left
hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting
fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those
days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall
not give her light, and the stars shall fall from
heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken:
30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of
man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of
the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory.
31 "And he shall send his angels with a great
sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together
his elect from the four winds, from one end of
heaven to the other.
32 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his
branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye
know that summer is nigh:
33 "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these
things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall
not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words
shall not pass away.
Matthew 26
64 Jesus saith unto him, "Thou hast said:
nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye
see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of
power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 14
62 And Jesus said, "I am: and ye shall see the Son
of man sitting on the right hand of power, and
coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 13
24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the
sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give
her light,
25 "And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the
powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming
in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 "And then shall he send his angels, and shall
gather together his elect from the four winds,
from the uttermost part of the earth to the
uttermost part of heaven.
28 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her
branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye
know that summer is near:
29 "So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these
things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at
the doors.
30 "Verily I say unto you, that this generation
shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words
shall not pass away.
Luke 21
25 "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in
the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth
distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and
the waves roaring;
26 "Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for
looking after those things which are coming on the
earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 "And then shall they see the Son of man coming
in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 "And when these things begin to come to pass,
then look up, and lift up your heads; for your
redemption draweth nigh.
29 And he spake to them a parable; "Behold the fig
tree, and all the trees;
30 "When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of
your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 "So likewise ye, when ye see these things come
to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh
at hand.
32 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall
not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33 "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words
shall not pass away.
Deuteronomy 18
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among
their brethren, like unto thee, and will put
my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto
them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will
not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in
my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a
word in my name, which I have not commanded him to
speak, or that shall speak in the name of other
gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we
know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the
LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass,
that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken,
but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously:
thou shalt not be afraid of him.
--
"The world holds two classes of men -- intelligent men without
religion, and religious men without intelligence."
[Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma'arri (973-1057; Syrian poet)]
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "colp" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity is death worship |
22 Jul 2006 08:28:42 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
<snip>
Jesus prophesied he'd preside over the end of
the world (Matthew 24:3)
This verse is a question, not a prophecy.
and judgment day itself,
(Matthew 16:27-8), he claims he will "come in his
kingdom"and "reward all men according to their
acts".
This is about the son of man, which is not an exlusive title. In the
Aramac gospels Jesus makes a reference to the sons of men.
This is expanded on in Matthew 25:31-45.
He will come in the glory of his angels,
he will be "the King". He will ascend to his
"throne of glory" and gather the nations.
He will sort the "sheep" from the "goats" the
good from the evil. Good will be rewarded with
eternal life in heaven, evil will depart into
"everlasting fire prepared for the devil and
his apostles" (Matthew 25:41)
This is what he means by come in his kingdom.
He will literally be "the King" of the world,
And will preside over judgment day itself.
(Matthew 25:31-34), (John 5:23, 5:27).
Again this is about the son of man.
When? Matthew 16:27-8 has Jesus assuring his
listeners that "some standing here" will live
to see this all happen. See also Mark 9:1.
Some, not all, implying that this would be an individual revelation.
<snip>
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