Religions > Atheism > Re: Church and State Need Not be Seperate, Quote the Bugboy
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" \- Prof. Jonez©" |
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04 Mar 2005 08:47:17 PM |
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Re: Church and State Need Not be Seperate, Quote the Bugboy |
Sam Bam wrote:
Dave Thompson wrote:
Because too many idiots like you spend so much effort putting
monuments up to their god that it's obvious that the intent is
government endorsement of their beliefs.
You're trash.
What did our founding fathers believe?
Good question, let's see the truth:
GEORGE WASHINGTON--Treaty of Tripoli 1796: The government of the United
States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
JOHN ADAMS: "This would be the best of all possible worlds,
if there were no religions in it."
JOHN ADAMS: Letters to F.A. Van Der Kamp 1809-1816. "How has it
happened that millions of myths, fables, legends and tales have been
blended with Jewish and Christian fables and myths and have made them
the most bloody religion that has ever existed? Filled with the sordid
and detestable purposes of superstition and fraud?"
THOMAS JEFFERSON: Notes on Religion, passed in the Assembly of
Virginia, in the Year, 1786. "Millions of innocent men, women and
children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt,
tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half
hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."
THOMAS JEFFERSON: Letter to Thomas Whittemore, June 5, 1822:
"Christian creeds and doctrines, the clergy's own fatal inventions,
through all the ages has made of Christendom a slaughterhouse,
and divided it into sects of inextinguishable hatred for one another."
JAMES MADISON: "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep
forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil
of Europe with blood for centuries."
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| User: "Dave Thompson" |
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| Title: Re: Church and State Need Not be Seperate, Quote the Bugboy |
04 Mar 2005 11:29:07 PM |
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Piggy backing.
" "- Prof. Jonez©"" <jonez@norcom.ca> wrote in message
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Sam Bam wrote:
Dave Thompson wrote:
Because too many idiots like you spend so much effort putting
monuments up to their god that it's obvious that the intent is
government endorsement of their beliefs.
You're trash.
And you are a lying piece of *****.
What did our founding fathers believe?
Who cares? Why should that matter? You think I should convert because a
fundy pulls out a few religious quotes from founders?
Sorry, but I don't accept getting led around by the nose. If you do, then
enjoy yourself.
You fucking sheep.
I'll keep fighting losers like you, Scumbag Sam, and you are losing.
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| User: " \- Prof. Jonez©" |
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| Title: Re: Church and State Need Not be Seperate, Quote the Bugboy |
05 Mar 2005 01:15:21 AM |
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Dave Thompson wrote:
Piggy backing.
" "- Prof. Jonez©"" <jonez@norcom.ca> wrote in message
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Sam Bam wrote:
Dave Thompson wrote:
Because too many idiots like you spend so much effort putting
monuments up to their god that it's obvious that the intent is
government endorsement of their beliefs.
You're trash.
And you are a lying piece of *****.
Funny, you're not the first person to label Sam Bam that,
and odds are you won't be the last.
What did our founding fathers believe?
Who cares? Why should that matter? You think I should convert because
a fundy pulls out a few religious quotes from founders?
Sorry, but I don't accept getting led around by the nose. If you do,
then enjoy yourself.
You fucking sheep.
I'll keep fighting losers like you, Scumbag Sam, and you are losing.
Losers like Sam Bam -- thank you ma'am -- always lose.
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| User: "Sam Bam" |
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| Title: Re: Church and State Need Not be Seperate, Quote the Bugboy |
05 Mar 2005 11:56:29 AM |
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Dave Thompson wrote:
Piggy backing.
" "- Prof. Jonez©"" <jonez@norcom.ca> wrote in message
news:639Wd.119$FJ.1270@news.uswest.net...
Sam Bam wrote:
Dave Thompson wrote:
Because too many idiots like you spend so much effort putting
monuments up to their god that it's obvious that the intent is
government endorsement of their beliefs.
You're trash.
And you are a lying piece of *****.
Well ***** you straight to HELL!
What did our founding fathers believe?
Who cares?
Oh so telling....
Why should that matter?
Right...why should any of the principles this nation was founded on
matter....
You're sick.
You think I should convert
"Convert" to what?
Cite!
because a
fundy pulls out a few religious quotes from founders?
No reason to examine what our nation's founding fathers sadi sis there?
http://www.alliance4lifemin.org/amchristii.html
After signing the Declaration of Independence, Samuel Adams, who was
called the firebrand of the American Revolution, affirmed his obedience
to God by stating, "We have this day restored the Sovereign to whom
alone men ought to be obedient. From the rising to the setting of the
sun may His kingdom come."
Reverend Doctor John Witherspoon, signer of the Declaration of
Independence, member of the Continental Congress, described as the "man
who shaped the man that shaped America" said, "God grant that in America
true religion and civil liberty may be inseparable . . . ." Reverend
Witherspoon was also responsible for publishing two American editions of
the Bible.
Benjamin Franklin, who signed the Declaration and was often identified
as a deist in his younger years, delivered his most famous speech on
June 28, 1787, at the age of eighty-one. He said, "I have lived, sir, a
long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of
this truth: that God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow
cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an
empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the
Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain
that build it."
Other notable Christian signers of the Declaration were: Charles
Thompson, who is responsible for the first translation of the Greek
Septuagint into English; Dr. Benjamin Rush, founder of the first Bible
Society in America; Francis Hopkinson, who was responsible for the first
American hymnbook; Cesar Rodney, whose home State of Delaware (the first
state to ratify the U.S. Constitution) required that officeholders sign
a declaration of Christian faith, Thomas Nelson JR, Commander of the
Virginia Militia, and Thomas McKean, the man responsible for the first
legal commentary on the constitution of the United States.
Pennsylvania’s Chief Justice, a founding father, said to a man sentenced
to die for treason, "It behooves you most seriously to reflect upon your
conduct, to repent of your evil deeds, to be incessant in prayers to the
great and merciful God to forgive you your . . . sins."
John Hancock, president of the Continental Congress, said, "Let us
humbly commit our righteous cause to the great Lord of the Universe."
Governor Morris, who wrote the Constitution in 1787, and wrote in 1790
and in 1791, two commentaries on the Constitution said, "Religion is the
solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the
precepts of religion, and the duties of man toward God."
William Paterson, a signer of the Constitution, closed his speeches with
Proverbs 29:2: "When the righteous rule, the people rejoice. When the
wicked rule, the people groan."
George Mason, father of the Bill of Rights, exclaimed, "My soul I resign
into the hands of my Almighty Creator, whose tender mercies are all over
His works . . . "
Nathan Hale, called the "Martyr Spy," came from a solid Christian
foundation and upbringing. He is best remembered for his last words,
prior to laying down his life for God and country at the young age of
twenty-one, "I only regret that I have but one life to loose for my
country."
Two other founding fathers of our nation that expressed their fervent
Christian beliefs were Roger Sherman and Charles Cotesworth Pinckney.
Alexander Hamilton could also be added to that list.
John Jay, first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court wrote, "Unto Him
who is the Author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble
thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our
redemption and salvation by His beloved Son."
James Wilson, George Washington’s appointment to the Supreme Court
stated, "Christianity is part of the common-law."
Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story (appointed by President James
Madison) called America a "Christian country."
Statesman Daniel Webster warned of political disaster. He stated, "If we
and our posterity neglect religious instruction and authority . . . no
man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us." Webster said on
December 22,1820, observing the 200th anniversary of the landing of the
Pilgrims at Plymouth, Massachusetts, "Let us not forget the religious
character of our origin. Our fathers brought hither their high
veneration of the Christian religion."
French historian Alex de Tocqueville, author of "Democracy in America"
in 1835, wrote, "There is no country in the world where the Christian
religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in
America."
Noah Webster, who literally wrote the English dictionary claimed, "The
moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form
the basis of all civil Constitutions and laws."
Patrick Henry, a Christian patriot, golden tongued orator of the
Revolutionary period, and the only U.S. Governor to be elected and
reelected five times said in a celebrated speech before the
Revolutionary War, "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be
purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I
know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or
give me death!" Henry also said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly
or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists,
but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospels of Jesus Christ."
Sorry, but I don't accept getting led around by the nose. If you do, then
enjoy yourself.
So you don't accept any of our laws or principles...
You fucking sheep.
You fucking traitor!
I'll keep fighting losers like you, Scumbag Sam, and you are losing.
Mbwhahahaa!!
Not to a first class IDIOT like YOU I'm not!
Drop fucking dead you scumhole!
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| User: "Fenris" |
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| Title: Re: Church and State Need Not be Seperate, Quote the Bugboy |
05 Mar 2005 08:04:35 PM |
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"Sam Bam" <sam@bam.slam> wrote in message
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Dave Thompson wrote:
Piggy backing.
" "- Prof. Jonez©"" <jonez@norcom.ca> wrote in message
news:639Wd.119$FJ.1270@news.uswest.net...
Sam Bam wrote:
Dave Thompson wrote:
Because too many idiots like you spend so much effort putting
monuments up to their god that it's obvious that the intent is
government endorsement of their beliefs.
You're trash.
And you are a lying piece of *****.
Well ***** you straight to HELL!
What did our founding fathers believe?
Who cares?
Oh so telling....
Why should that matter?
Right...why should any of the principles this nation was founded on
matter....
You're sick.
You think I should convert
"Convert" to what?
Cite!
because a fundy pulls out a few religious quotes from founders?
No reason to examine what our nation's founding fathers sadi sis there?
http://www.alliance4lifemin.org/amchristii.html
After signing the Declaration of Independence, Samuel Adams, who was
(Spammy's endlessly repeated propaganda and lies snipped)
You know, I've read this crap so many times, I starting to believe it.
NOT!!!
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| User: "Sam Bam" |
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| Title: Re: Church and State Need Not be Seperate, Quote the Bugboy |
05 Mar 2005 11:57:45 PM |
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Fenris wrote:
You know, I've read this crap so many times, I starting to believe it.
Drop dead kid.
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