Re: Church/state - C'mon, now, lets try to reason



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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Julian Marie"
Date: 24 Aug 2003 04:29:12 AM
Object: Re: Church/state - C'mon, now, lets try to reason
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:49:35 -0400,
wrote:

Hey fellow people -

The church/state issue has come to the forefront thanks to Judge Roy
Moore.

Before you dismiss this post as idiotic, think a little: How does name
calling accomplish anything except provide hot air for windbags?

What goes on now is extremism on both sides of the issue. This tends
to overcomplicate things, and eventually nobody remembers how it
started.

Keep it simple, folks!

We all have a right to believe what we want to, and freedom to speak
about it. That's what I'm doing now.

What some people seem to have trouble understanding is that nobody has
a right to use public office or property to do so.

Moore, while claiming first amendment rights is demanding that his
rights preclude those of others and he is using the power of public
office to say that, which violates the constitution which he is under
oath to follow and preserve.

Do you see the circle there? Upholding the constitution which gives
everyone equal rights of speech and religion, while insisting that his
rights come first?

That's it: Moore and his few hundred supporters are WRONG. Don't let
them overcomplicate things.

Keep it to the facts.

Brace for impact: there will be very heated posts about this, along
with chain E-mail, citing quotes by some of our founding fathers, the
framers of the constitution, supportive of religion. Whether these
quotes are accurate or not, they do not matter. Hopefully we'll also
read quotes attributed to other framers against religion. They don't
matter either, however.

What DOES matter is the text of the U S Constitution and Amendments
thereof. The personal opinions of the framers expressed in memoirs,
letters to friends or relatives or to each other do not count at all.
Not at all. Nay Nay. They all agreed on the present wording of that
document and by putting their signatures on it, they put their
personal differences aside, agreeing that what they wrote was as free
and equal as humanly possible because while it cannot please
everybody, it can't favor any certain group, religious or not.

In fact, not pleasing everybody is a good thing: it maintains a
balance. With balance, we have freedom. It takes a little tolerance,
too, but reality must prevail when challenged. Please dwell on that.

Those who insist that America was founded on christianity are just
wrong.

America was founded on FREEDOM, which does not suppress any one
religion nor favor any one religion.

Those who want to use our government as their pulpit are simply wrong
and cannot be allowed to prevail.

shiftbrain




shiftbrain

Bravo! Very well put. Let your actions reflect your true beliefs, I
always say.
As a newcomer to this group, I may be speaking out of turn here, but
some of these posts that I have read I would have never replied to. I
decided to commit a "terminal act" on some of them, and into the
killfile they went.
I have found that people can say anything to me that they want, but in
the end, I ultimately control whether or not I will be dragged into
the confrontation. I have found that nobody can make me argue with
them if I refuse to. Ultimately, others in the audience will judge me
based upon the level of civility of my responses.
So, for what *that's* worth... !!!
Julian Marie
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