" jls" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote:
:|>"mclark" < > wrote in message
:|>Tony Hileman, Carol Lee Smith and many others have the wires crossed
:|>when it comes to Thomas Jefferson's wall of separation and the Scope of
:|>the 1st Amendment's restrictions on government.
:|>
:|>The bottom line is that Thomas Jefferson, Mr. "separation of church and
:|>state" himself, reflected in his writings that the Constitution gives
:|>the States the power to address/cultivate religious expression.
:|>Jefferson indicated that the 1st and 10th Amendments are meant to work
:|>together to give the States the power to address religion. But don't
:|>believe me; see for yourselves:
:|>
:|>
:|>"In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is
:|>placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general
:|>government. I have therefore undertaken on no occasion to prescribe the
:|>religious exercises suited to it; but have left them as the Constitution
:|>found them, under the direction and discipline of State or Church
:|>authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies." --Thomas
:|>Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural Address, 1805. ME 3:378
:|>
:|>"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the
:|>Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their
:|>doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the
:|>provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free
:|>exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states
:|>the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to
:|>prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious
:|>discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then
:|>rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority."
:|>Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Miller, 1808. ME 11:428
:|>
:|>Also applicable:
:|>
:|>"Our citizens have wisely formed themselves into one nation as to others
:|>and several States as among themselves. To the united nation belong our
:|>external and mutual relations; to each State, severally, the care of our
:|>persons, our property, our reputation and religious freedom." --Thomas
:|>Jefferson: To Rhode Island Assembly, 1801. ME 10:262
:|>
:|>
:|>Note that the above extracts from the Inaugural Address and the letter
:|>to Samuel Miller were written AFTER Jefferson wrote his better known
:|>wall of separation letter to a member of the Danbury Baptist Church. So
:|>while it can be argued that these letters trump the Danbury letter, they
:|>actually help to clarify it. People today ignore that Jefferson and
:|>other Founding Fathers made a major distinction between the
:|>responsibilities of the federal and state governments.
:|>
:|>M. Clark
:|
:|Irrelevant waste of print.
You are wasting your time. This nut case is a internet troll. Do a google
search on him and see how many times he has posted this same drivel and
been told buy dozens of others it is irrelevant. It doesn't matter, he will
post it again and again and again.
Here is a good start idon'treply and those whho replied back to him on
this topic (there are some duplications)
(1) Idontreply thomas Jefferson
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(2) idontreply Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural Address, 1805. ME 3:378
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(3) idontreply samuel miller
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Results 1 - 7 of about 165 for Samuel Miller. (2.60
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(4) idon'treply To Rhode Island Assembly, 1801. ME 10:262
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Results 1 - 5 of about 68 for To Rhode Island
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