"Libertarius" <The_Truth_The_Whole_Truth@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
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John Vogel wrote:

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One fine day in alt.atheism, Pastor Frank fired a few neurons and

wrote:

You are seriously deluded if you think, that Christ commanded, or
even advocated any of the above.

Let's let your own storybook debunk that.

Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should

reign

over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Commanded and advocated.

Have you read the context of this?

===>Have YOU?

yes

This was part of a parable,

===>Of course it was. ABOUT HIMSELF AND HIS KINGDOM!
Luke 19:11-12
While they were listening to these things,
Jesus went on to tell a parable,
because He was near Jerusalem,
and they supposed that the
kingdom of God was going to appear immediately.
So He said, "A nobleman went to a distant country to
receive a kingdom for himself, and then return... etc.

While they were listening to what? What did Jesus "go on" or "add" to? What
was it he said right before the verses you quoted? Let's add a little more
context to the verses you paraphrased above:

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. And as
they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh
to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should
immediately appear. (Luk 19:10-11 KJV)

Do you notice Jesus is telling the people that he has come to save that
which was lost? Directly before this in verse 9 he is talking about
salvation. The context of this is that Zachaus said "Behold, Lord, the half
of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man
by false accusation, I restore him fourfold." in verse 8.

The people were of the mind that Gos was about to set up this earthly
kingdom they have been waiting for... that Jesus (if he was the Messiah)
would now take His place as the King. But these same people who were hoping
for this kingdom did very little with what God had given them and if the
master were to call on them to make an account of themselves, not only would
many be found to be lacking, but many would even be found to be enemies of
the Master; "his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying,
We will not have this man to reign over us.". IOW, if judgement came on this
day, they would all be found lacking, and few would be a part of His
kingdom. Thos who choose that God should not reign over them, those that
deny the Word of God (in Jesus Christ) WILL be brought to judgement, and
will be thrown into the outer darkness.

I think the best way to really understand the context of this parable is to
read Matthew 25.

An, speaking of CONTEXT, why do you ignore also the fact that
the story concludes with the event of HIS royal entry
into Jerusalem, "after he had said these things"!

The Story in Luke concludes with the event, but this does not neccarily mean
that this story was ABOUT his entry into Jerusalem, or even that His entry
directly followed his parable (it didn't). It was eminent, but the parable
was not about His entry into Jerusalem, if it were, then there would have
been enemies brought before Him and slain, wouldn' t there? Was there?

Why
would he say "I have come to save that which was lost" if he wanted to slay
those who were lost?

it was not

Jesus himself that was saying this but the "certain nobleman" who "the
citizens hated"...

I'd say you should read this parable more carefully if

you desire greater understanding.

===>I'd say you should follow your own advice! -- L.

I'd say, I do follow my own advice, not only reading the scripture with
great care, but also I do not lean on my own understanding, but I seek the
knowledge and understanding from God,

that I might know the TRUE context of
all of these words. I sure don't pick a verse out and make it sound as if
Jesus is condoning slaughtering His enemies, when the context is nothing of
the sort.