Yes. But remember that crossposting is the greatest sin on the
internet. The second greatest sin is to tell someone to
take head medicine. Keep that in mind.
Be well my son.=20

"Mr. Hanky" wrote:

Andy G wrote:

i didnt read your message because it was crossposted
as a matter of course i do not read crossposted messages

it just happens to be in 'my' NG because of your crossposting.
if you look at the header, you will notice one group missing....

***** you, you ignominious nugget of self-righteous whale *****.
I'll post whereever the Hell I wish. And every time one of you bitches
about it, I'll add another unrelated ng just for the Hell of it.

Yes. But remember that crossposting is the greatest sin on the
internet. The second greatest sin is to tell someone to
take head medicine. Keep that in mind.

Be well my son.

Internet Father George

In article <3F72D051.1D58C728@christmas.org>, Mr. Hanky
<poo@christmas.org> wrote:

***** you, you ignominious nugget of self-righteous whale *****.
I'll post whereever the Hell I wish. And every time one of you bitches
about it, I'll add another unrelated ng just for the Hell of it.

I call and raise, mothersucker.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:24:02 -0400, Mr. Hanky wrote:

And every time one of you bitches
about it, I'll add another unrelated ng just for the Hell of it.

And likely get yourself reported to Supernews who doesn't tolerate such
behavior.

--
Mark K. Bilbo

lol

"Mr. Hanky" <poo@christmas.org> a =E9crit dans le message de
news:3F72D051.1D58C728@christmas.org...

Andy G wrote:

i didnt read your message because it was crossposted
as a matter of course i do not read crossposted messages

it just happens to be in 'my' NG because of your crossposting.
if you look at the header, you will notice one group missing....

***** you, you ignominious nugget of self-righteous whale *****.
I'll post whereever the Hell I wish. And every time one of you

bitches

about it, I'll add another unrelated ng just for the Hell of it.

"Satan" <boss@hell.org> wrote in message

news:3F7219CF.D64AF206@hell.org...

Jonathan Jennings wrote:

"Ulrich Topf" <utopf@web.de> wrote

Which some call raw sensation, non-mentation.

Well, only 'wrong' people e.g. Tang (whose 'non-mentation'

stuff is just

a

load of hogwash he has fabricated to fit with his

physicalism at the

expense

of having to distort the dhamma when he goes through the

motions of

trying

to square it with that).

Jonathan

...and all these other <'wrong' people>:

"Q: A little while ago you spoke of refraining from thinking

(nien), but

you did

not
finish your explanation.

A: It means not fixing your mind upon anything, anywhere, but

totally

withdrawing
it from the phenomena surrounding you, so that even the

thought (szu) of

seeking

for something does not remain; it means that your mind,

confronted by all

the

forms composing your environment, remains placid and

motionless. This

abstaining from all thought whatever is called REAL

thought.... If you do

not

employ the method of Sudden Illumination, you will be like a

jackal

following

and
imitating a lion but unable to become a lion even after

hundreds and

thousands

of
aeons."
-- Unremembered Chan source

"It's not like that. When the mind is in a state of

tranquility,

investigation occurs on its own. It's not thinking, 'This is
like this, that is like that'...But when the mind is

concentrated,

there is no thinking; contemplation arises within

tranquility."

-- Ajahn Chah

"Stop, stop. Do not speak. The ultimate truth is not even to

think.".

-- Amban - Mumonkan 49

"Learned Audience, those who understand the way of
thoughtlessness will know everything, will have all
the experience all Buddhas have had, and attain Buddhahood."
-- Hui Neng

"When our mind works freely without any hindrance
and is at liberty to come and go, we attain samadhi of
prajna, or liberation. Such a state is called the function
of 'thoughtlessness'. But to refrain from thinking of
anything, so that all thoughts are suppressed, is to
be Dharma-ridden* and this is an erroneous view."
-- Hui Neng

* "stuck in the void" or attachment to jhana -
not really a view, but incomplete dharma.

"So thought breeds fear. I think about my losing a job or I

might lose a

job,

and
thought creates the fear. So thought always projects itself in

time,

because

thought is time. I think about the illness I have had and I do

not like

the

pain, and I
am frightened that the pain might return again. I have had an

experience

of

pain;
thinking about it and not wanting it create fear. Fear is very

closely

related

to
pleasure. Most of us are guided by pleasure. To us, like the

animals,

pleasure

is of
the highest importance, and pleasure is part of thought. By

thinking about

something that has given me pleasure, that pleasure is

increased. Isn't

it? Have

you not noticed all this? You have had an experience of

pleasure - of a

beautiful
sunset or of sex - and you think about it. The thinking about

it increases

pleasure,
as thinking about what you have had as pain brings fear. So

thought

creates

pleasure and fear. Doesn't it? So thought is responsible for

the demand

for, and

the
continuation of, pleasure; and thought is also responsible for

engendering

fear,

bringing about fear. One sees this; this is an actual

experimental fact.

Then

one
asks oneself, "Is it possible not to think about pleasure or

pain? Is it

possible to
think only when thought is demanded, but not otherwise?" Sir,

when you

function

in an office, when you are working at a job, thought is

necessary;

otherwise,

you
could not do anything. When you speak, when you write, when

you talk, when

you

go to the office, thought is necessary. There, it must

function precisely,

impersonally. There, thought must not be guided by

inclination, a

tendency.

There,
thought is necessary. But is thought necessary in any other

field of

action?

Please
follow this. For us thought is very important; that is the

only

instrument we

have.
Thought is the response of memory which has been accumulated

through

experience, through knowledge, through tradition; and memory

is the result

of

time, inherited from the animal. And with this background we

react. This

reaction is
thinking. Thought is essential at certain levels. But when

thought

projects

itself as
the future and the past psychologically, then thought creates

fear as well

as

pleasure; and in this process the mind is made dull and,

therefore,

inaction is

inevitable. Sir, fear, as we said, is brought about by

thought - thinking

about

losing
my job, thinking my wife might run away with somebody,

thinking about

death,

thinking about what has been, and so on. Can thought stop

thinking about

the

past
psychologically, self-protectively, or about the future?"
-- J.Krishnamurti

"Now, to go beyond, to transcend all that, requires tremendous

attention.

This

total
attention, in which there is no choice, no sense of becoming,

of changing,

altering,
wholly frees the mind from the process of self-consciousness;

there is

then no

experiencer who is accumulating, and it is only then that the

mind can be

truly

said to be free from sorrow. It is accumulation that is the

cause of

sorrow. We

do
not die to everything from day to day; we do not die to the

innumerable

traditions,
to the family, to our own experiences, to our own desire to

hurt another.

One

has
to die to all that from moment to moment, to that vast

accumulative

memory, and

only then the mind is free from the self, which is the entity

of

accumulation."

--J.Krishnamurti

Nirvana (cessation of suffering) =3D "being before thought",
"just being, empty (of self and what belongs to self)". That's
all there is to buddhist "enlightenment", "awakening",
"understanding", etc, etc.

All the rest of "Buddhism" is nothing but mounds of
cake-icing that children like to lick off their fingers or
use to decorate their own "spiritual" mud-pies.