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"No such thing as the disease of addiction" |
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31 Dec 2003 10:27:51 PM |
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Re: Designer drugs |
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:59:05 -0500, Bill D.
<neveralone_neveragain@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
<cjh6vvsn7s8htpsl4tiegihur4d37dr8mq@4ax.com>:
On 31 Dec 2003 00:34:28 -0800, (Lawrence Pearce)
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I've been spending some time at alt.recovery.na just checking you all
out, and you've posted some interesting stuff. Not much on designer
drugs like ecstasy and ketamine ... wonder why.
It aint about the substance d00d. It's about the disease.
which doesn't exist. thanks fer playing.
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Adolf Hitler
Der Führer
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: Designer drugs |
31 Dec 2003 10:32:47 PM |
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"No such thing as the disease of addiction" <play@it.again.sam> wrote
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:59:05 -0500, Bill D.
<neveralone_neveragain@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
<cjh6vvsn7s8htpsl4tiegihur4d37dr8mq@4ax.com>:
On 31 Dec 2003 00:34:28 -0800, (Lawrence Pearce)
wrote:
I've been spending some time at alt.recovery.na just checking you all
out, and you've posted some interesting stuff. Not much on designer
drugs like ecstasy and ketamine ... wonder why.
It aint about the substance d00d. It's about the disease.
which doesn't exist. thanks fer playing.
You got that right. The first step to recovery is recognizing that drug
abuse is not a disease, it's just a really fun thing to do which leads to
early death, like jumping out of an airplane on a snowboard without
a parachute.
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"Pinchbacke did begin a frolick to drink out of a glass with a toad
in it that he had taken up going out to *****, he did it without harm."
- Samuel Pepys, The Diary, 19th Sept. 1666
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| User: "staamfa" |
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| Title: Re: Designer drugs |
01 Jan 2004 01:57:57 AM |
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"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote i
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| "No such thing as the disease of addiction" <play@it.again.sam> wrote
| > On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:59:05 -0500, Bill D.
| > <neveralone_neveragain@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
| > <cjh6vvsn7s8htpsl4tiegihur4d37dr8mq@4ax.com>:
| > >On 31 Dec 2003 00:34:28 -0800, (Lawrence Pearce)
| > >wrote:
| > >>I've been spending some time at alt.recovery.na just checking you all
| > >>out, and you've posted some interesting stuff. Not much on designer
| > >>drugs like ecstasy and ketamine ... wonder why.
| > >It aint about the substance d00d. It's about the disease.
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| > which doesn't exist. thanks fer playing.
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| You got that right. The first step to recovery is recognizing that drug
| abuse is not a disease, it's just a really fun thing to do which leads to
| early death, like jumping out of an airplane on a snowboard without
| a parachute.
LOL exactly so. Try telling that to a stepper though. They have a tendency
to get quite testy in defense of their non-existent diseases.
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| User: "Tex" |
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| Title: Re: Designer drugs |
01 Jan 2004 09:45:09 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 01:57:57 -0600, "staamfa" <staampfa@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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| You got that right. The first step to recovery is recognizing that drug
| abuse is not a disease, it's just a really fun thing to do which leads to
| early death, like jumping out of an airplane on a snowboard without
| a parachute.
LOL exactly so. Try telling that to a stepper though. They have a tendency
to get quite testy in defense of their non-existent diseases.
To hell with a disease concept let's take up a collection and allow
Hector to have some real fun. He can make the jump without a chute on
a snowboard at say about 50,000 ft. What the hell, what's an early
death when one's having fun!
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| User: "Ecstasy" |
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| Title: Re: Designer drugs |
01 Jan 2004 01:42:39 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 04:32:47 GMT, "Douglas D. Anderson"
<dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in message
<PpNIb.99038$JW3.78623@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:
"No such thing as the disease of addiction" <play@it.again.sam> wrote
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:59:05 -0500, Bill D.
On 31 Dec 2003 00:34:28 -0800, (Lawrence Pearce)
I've been spending some time at alt.recovery.na just checking you all
out, and you've posted some interesting stuff. Not much on designer
drugs like ecstasy and ketamine ... wonder why.
It aint about the substance d00d. It's about the disease.
which doesn't exist. thanks fer playing.
You got that right. The first step to recovery is recognizing that drug
abuse is not a disease, it's just a really fun thing to do which leads to
early death, like jumping out of an airplane on a snowboard without
a parachute.
doug, you need to do some field research first.
i suggest you pop an ecstasy tab. it's an anti-diuretic. only drink enough
fluid to replace the sweat you are losing. if you are not sweating, don't
drink. if you are sweating, drink to replace that and no more.
once the tab wears off, you will be able to ***** again. a tab will last you
about 2 - 4 hours. when you come off, you will feel shitty, depressed. YMMV.
E is non addictive. and maybe you will get in the mood for some love.
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Adolf Hitler
Der Führer
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| User: "the cure" |
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| Title: Re: Designer drugs |
02 Jan 2004 10:45:26 AM |
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On 1 Jan 2004 15:53:37 -0800, (John H.) wrote in message
<d7be3be4.0401011553.419e1c2e@posting.google.com>:
"No such thing as the disease of addiction" <play@it.again.sam> wrote
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:59:05 -0500, Bill D.
It aint about the substance d00d. It's about the disease.
which doesn't exist. thanks fer playing.
You're correct. Bill Wilson, author of AA's "Big Book," in 1960
admitted that alcoholism is not a "disease" in the technical sense,
which is why he did not use the word in AA's basic text.
(http://www.a-1associates.com/AA/wilsons_talk_to_the_clergy.htm)
Likewise, NA's Board of Trustees in 1988 admitted that addiction may
be a disease only in a metaphorical sense, rather than in the medical
sense. (http://web.archive.org/web/20020803032245/www.na.org/bull17.htm)
"Substance dependence" listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV).
(http://www.tcnj.edu/~adep/factsheets/dsm2.htm) Thus, it may be more
appropriate to call "addiction" or "alcoholism" a "disorder," rather
than a "disease."
Semantics aside, whether or not we call the problem a "disease" is
probably not very important. The real issue is how to treat it,
whatever it's called.
John H.
well that is the million dollar question, isn't it?
--
Adolf Hitler
Der Führer
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