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Religions > Atheism |
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"Yuri Kuchinsky" |
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21 Jan 2004 12:15:34 PM |
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Re: did Jesus tell a lie? (John 7:8) |
In soc.history.ancient Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@clio.trends.ca> wrote:
: DID JESUS TELL A LIE? (Jn 7:8)
: This is a most peculiar case. If we follow the traditional KJV, based
: on Byzantine Greek text, this passage presents no interpretative
: problems whatsoever.
: But if we examine the modern translations, such as the RSV, NRSV, NASB
: (the Gideons Bible), ASV, and ESV, it looks like they all make
: Jesus... speak a lie! Indeed, all these versions have Jesus saying he
: was not going up to the feast of Tabernacles, and then he does go up
: to the feast, in any case.
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: So what is going on here? It sure looks like our modern biblical
: scholars, who came up with this "updated" rendering, want to accuse
: the Lord of lying!
Hello, all,
Here's yet another Rationalist who's trying to use this passage to his
own advantage...
[quote]
The Rationalist -- "What a Difference a Word Makes!", by A. J.
Mattill, Jr.,
http://www.therationalist.eu.org/kk.php/s,2623
While textual critics discuss the correct reading, the impression has
spread far and wide that Jesus did lie. It may not be surprising that
an atheist philosopher, Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860), remarked,
Jesus Christ did of set purpose utter a falsehood. To use a modern
expression, Jesus lied right through his teeth. But it is shocking to
discover that some of Jesus' most loyal followers hold that Jesus lied
to his brothers. Some years ago a prominent evangelical theologian
told me that he had perjured himself in a certain situation, using
Jesus' lie as his justification.
If Jesus was indeed a liar, as many hold, then the consequences for
basic Christian beliefs are devastating. Jesus the liar is unworthy of
our heartfelt devotion and undivided loyalty. Nor as a liar can he be
our moral leader, showing us what is right and wrong.
[unquote]
So could all this be based on a misunderstanding?
Sure looks like our modern biblical scholars really don't know what
they are doing...
All the best,
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.trends.ca/~yuku -=O=- Toronto
For every credibility gap, there is a gullibility fill.
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| User: "Yuri Kuchinsky" |
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| Title: Re: did Jesus tell a lie? (John 7:8) |
22 Jan 2004 01:16:49 PM |
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It seems like some of the usual trolls are now making themselves active in
this discussion. I've already had most of them filtered for a while, but
their responses still pop up in Google Groups.
Oh, well, let them bicker and nit-pick around the edges, that's all they
can do... The evidence that I've already presented is pretty solid, and
there's a lot more to come.
Best,
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.trends.ca/~yuku -=O=- Toronto
The distressing realization is forced upon us that the "progress" of
the past hundred years has been precisely in the wrong direction --
our modern versions and critical texts are several times farther
removed from the original than are the Authorised Version (KJV) and
TR! How could such a calamity have come upon us?! -- Wilbur Pickering
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| User: "Frederick Weller" |
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| Title: Re: did Jesus tell a lie? (John 7:8) |
22 Jan 2004 06:24:09 PM |
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Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@clio.trends.ca> wrote in message news:<BkVPb.558$U04.372317316@news.nnrp.ca>...
It seems like some of the usual trolls are now making themselves active in
this discussion. I've already had most of them filtered for a while, but
their responses still pop up in Google Groups.
Oh, well, let them bicker and nit-pick around the edges,
Showing that you don't read Greek and therefore may be incompetent to
assess the evidence is nit picking?
Showing that you don't know what the UBS comittee actually said is nit
piccking?
Showing that by your own rules for determining what is an original
reading your conclusions regarding which of the variants for Jn 7:8 is
wrong is nit picking?
... The evidence that I've already presented is pretty solid,
A fundamental misrepresentation of what the USB editorial committee
actually said about Jn 7:8 is "solid evidence"?
A conclusion that violates your own stated rules about whatconstitutes
evidence for an original reading is "solid evidence"?
and there's a lot more to come.
If it's this sort of "solid evidence", spare us.
Frederick
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