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16 Aug 2006 12:38:51 PM |
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Re: Disturbing event at my daughter's school |
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Yesterday my daughter came home disturbed by her American History
teacher. Apparently he took it on himself to try and put down evolution
in class (yes, it had nothing to do with the subject being taught).
Among other things he did was to compare evolution unfavorably with
creationism (with liberal use of "God" comments), but he also stated
that "Lucy" was named while the discoverers were listening to a Beatles
song about drugs (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds) and "smoking
something". He managed to take a truth (named for the song) and turn it
into some kind of a fundamentalist diatribe against Johansen and Gray.
This is not the first time the local school system has gone way beyond
legal regarding religious practices in the classroom. Any one who
thinks we are winning the war against fundamentalists and evangelicals
should come down to south Alabama. It will open your eyes!
It is a lost WAR. Yet I am not s fundie or an evangelical
HB
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16 Aug 2006 01:15:18 PM |
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hbarwood@troy.edu wrote:
Yesterday my daughter came home disturbed by her American History
teacher. Apparently he took it on himself to try and put down evolution
in class (yes, it had nothing to do with the subject being taught).
Among other things he did was to compare evolution unfavorably with
creationism (with liberal use of "God" comments), but he also stated
that "Lucy" was named while the discoverers were listening to a Beatles
song about drugs (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds) and "smoking
something". He managed to take a truth (named for the song) and turn it
into some kind of a fundamentalist diatribe against Johansen and Gray.
This is not the first time the local school system has gone way beyond
legal regarding religious practices in the classroom. Any one who
thinks we are winning the war against fundamentalists and evangelicals
should come down to south Alabama. It will open your eyes!
It is a lost WAR. Yet I am not s fundie or an evangelical
HB
I would be shocked as all get out if the Jesus people *didn't* pull the kind
of stuff you describe. They've infiltrated every nook and cranny imaginable.
The irony is that they present themselves as noble, moral, virtuous, and
honorable people when in fact, many of them are as morally reprehensible as
they come. The use lies, deceit, and despicable to spread the 'Good News'.
And that's *besides* the normal brainwashing they do in church and Sunday
school. Anything goes, it seems with them. They can tell a flat out-and-out
lie in regards to the 'faith' and justify it in their heads by taking the
position that it was said for the 'Greater glory of God'! The swine.
I agree with you. We atheists have lost the war. But when we get a
'free-thinking' President (who may, in fact, be religious himself) we can
start a new one and just pummel the Jesus people in a way heretofore unseen
in this nation. A war where the scientists and the intellectuals
(*especially* bible scholars) just dismantle the bible and reduce it to just
an ancient collection of books and nothing more.
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as well.
Greywolf
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17 Aug 2006 12:10:03 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
I agree with you. We atheists have lost the war.
It is not a war between atheists and Christians, it is a war between
Fundamentalists and everybody else.
But when we get a
'free-thinking' President (who may, in fact, be religious himself) we can
start a new one and just pummel the Jesus people in a way heretofore unseen
in this nation. A war where the scientists and the intellectuals
(*especially* bible scholars) just dismantle the bible and reduce it to just
an ancient collection of books and nothing more.
That would be just as much in violation of the Establishment clause as
anything the Religious Right are trying to pull.
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The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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16 Aug 2006 01:42:16 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
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The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not. Of course parents can opt-out their kids but few do. Even the
very few immigrant muslim kids stay in the room though not take part.
Good for integrating to their new home,,,
Mike
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16 Aug 2006 03:35:14 PM |
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"Mika" <ace3559@sci.fi.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as
well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not
What the hell does "good manners" have to do with religion? Why should
"grace" be taught in any school that's not a religious one?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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17 Aug 2006 08:24:12 PM |
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In article <4khdl8Fc92r1U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff said...
What the hell does "good manners" have to do with religion?
A while ago I read about an Inquisitor who always smiled at his
victims, apparently with utmost sincerity, as he tortured them.
Service with a smile, I suppose...
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Brian E. Clark
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18 Aug 2006 12:04:36 PM |
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"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
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In article <4khdl8Fc92r1U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff said...
What the hell does "good manners" have to do with religion?
A while ago I read about an Inquisitor who always smiled at his
victims, apparently with utmost sincerity, as he tortured them.
Service with a smile, I suppose...
Yikes! :(
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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17 Aug 2006 08:29:31 PM |
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Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <4khdl8Fc92r1U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff said...
What the hell does "good manners" have to do with religion?
A while ago I read about an Inquisitor who always smiled at his
victims, apparently with utmost sincerity, as he tortured them.
Service with a smile, I suppose...
"I can smile, and murder while I smile"...
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John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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17 Aug 2006 08:37:13 PM |
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In article <1hk9jwq.18cbsc873ruxgN%j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au>, John
Wilkins said...
A while ago I read about an Inquisitor who always smiled at his
victims, apparently with utmost sincerity, as he tortured them.
Service with a smile, I suppose...
"I can smile, and murder while I smile"...
Ah yes. :)
There are many such clever sayings from that source...
"Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under it."
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| User: "Larry Moran" |
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18 Aug 2006 08:21:16 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:37:13 -0400,
Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <1hk9jwq.18cbsc873ruxgN%j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au>, John
Wilkins said...
A while ago I read about an Inquisitor who always smiled at his
victims, apparently with utmost sincerity, as he tortured them.
Service with a smile, I suppose...
"I can smile, and murder while I smile"...
Ah yes. :)
There are many such clever sayings from that source...
"Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under it."
"In religion what damned error but some sober brow will
bless it and approve it with a text, hiding the grossness
with fair ornament?"
Larry Moran
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| User: "Joe S." |
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16 Aug 2006 02:37:51 PM |
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"Mika" <ace3559@sci.fi.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as
well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not. Of course parents can opt-out their kids but few do. Even the
very few immigrant muslim kids stay in the room though not take part.
Good for integrating to their new home,,,
Mike
Why should schools teach children to pray before meals?? I thought that was
the parents' responsiblity??
So you are telling us that parents should turn over every aspect of their
children's upbringing to the public schools.
Thank you for clearing up that point.
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| User: "morticide" |
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16 Aug 2006 02:44:49 PM |
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Joe S. wrote:
"Mika" <ace3559@sci.fi.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as
well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not. Of course parents can opt-out their kids but few do. Even the
very few immigrant muslim kids stay in the room though not take part.
Good for integrating to their new home,,,
Mike
Why should schools teach children to pray before meals?? I thought that was
the parents' responsiblity??
So you are telling us that parents should turn over every aspect of their
children's upbringing to the public schools.
Thank you for clearing up that point.
Does "It Takes A Village" ring a bell?
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| User: "Perplexed in Peoria" |
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16 Aug 2006 03:13:33 PM |
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"morticide" <grvan@netzero.net> wrote in message news:1155757489.910542.241370@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Joe S. wrote:
"Mika" <ace3559@sci.fi.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as
well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not. Of course parents can opt-out their kids but few do. Even the
very few immigrant muslim kids stay in the room though not take part.
Good for integrating to their new home,,,
Mike
Why should schools teach children to pray before meals?? I thought that was
the parents' responsiblity??
So you are telling us that parents should turn over every aspect of their
children's upbringing to the public schools.
Thank you for clearing up that point.
Does "It Takes A Village" ring a bell?
Ok, I'll buy into that slogan. But that still leaves open
several questions. For example, should the village impose
and enforce uniform doctrinal guidelines on any villager
who comes into contact with impressionable children.
Or is it the case that one of the benefits of having a village
involved in child-rearing is that the children come in
contact with a variety of viewpoints - thus preparing them
for the thinking and tolerating they will have to do out
in the 'real world'. Even village idiots (such as the
history teacher) have a role to play in this process.
Personally, I think that this thread has revealed that
many people seem to have a view of child-rearing that
involves far too much guiding, protecting, and
indoctrinating, even if they call themselves 'liberals'.
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16 Aug 2006 05:08:14 PM |
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Mika wrote:
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school.
I'm hoping you are kidding. That sort of thing wasn't allowed even
when I went to pre-school in the early 70's. If they try that sort of
nonsense with my son, they'll be signing the deeds to their houses over
to me and giving me half of their salaries for the rest of their lives.
I won't tolerate my son being brainwashed by one religious group or
another (even my own). In fact, I married outside of my own religion
specifically so there'd be no family pressure or expectations regarding
the execution of any religious rituals or education.
Lee Jay
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16 Aug 2006 05:57:34 PM |
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Lee Jay wrote:
Mika wrote:
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school.
I'm hoping you are kidding. That sort of thing wasn't allowed even
when I went to pre-school in the early 70's.
I think Mika is obtusely referring to Finnish schools. There are even
"religious education" classes, but they are usually extremely dull and
serve only to inoculate most students against excessive religiousity.
--w.
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17 Aug 2006 01:00:50 AM |
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Windy kirjoitti:
Lee Jay wrote:
Mika wrote:
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school.
I'm hoping you are kidding. That sort of thing wasn't allowed even
when I went to pre-school in the early 70's.
I think Mika is obtusely referring to Finnish schools. There are even
"religious education" classes, but they are usually extremely dull and
serve only to inoculate most students against excessive religiousity.
Which, IMO, is a good reason to maintain them. Along with the state
church, it keeps the fundamentalists in the margins where they belong.
-- Wakboth
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| User: "Mika" |
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17 Aug 2006 02:50:12 PM |
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On 16 Aug 2006 23:00:50 -0700, "Wakboth" <Wakboth2001@yahoo.com>
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Windy kirjoitti:
Lee Jay wrote:
Mika wrote:
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school.
I'm hoping you are kidding. That sort of thing wasn't allowed even
when I went to pre-school in the early 70's.
I think Mika is obtusely referring to Finnish schools. There are even
"religious education" classes, but they are usually extremely dull and
serve only to inoculate most students against excessive religiousity.
Which, IMO, is a good reason to maintain them. Along with the state
church, it keeps the fundamentalists in the margins where they belong.
Would think all sorts of extreme fundamentalists will be kept in the
margins as older children get more or less balanced educaton when they
go to school. "Religious education" classes over here are more like
history lessons in junior and senior high. Lots of stuff about major
religions and history. Should actually help to appreciate and
understand other civilizations.
Must admit I was trying my best to write provocative post for fun,
knowing most US readers possibly like to seperate state and church.
something only far-left politican would suggest here.
Mike
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16 Aug 2006 06:35:22 PM |
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Mika wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not. Of course parents can opt-out their kids but few do. Even the
very few immigrant muslim kids stay in the room though not take part.
Good for integrating to their new home,,,
Mike
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I would like to show you an example of the good manners and courage
taught by the Christian religion. No registration required to read this
article:
http://www.startribune.com/462/story/616807.html
Don't give me that ***** about religion and moral values. The guy
didn't even have the courage to face his day in court.
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The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence
from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum.
Thomas Paine
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18 Aug 2006 12:12:55 PM |
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Pithecanthropus Erectus wrote:
Mika wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not. Of course parents can opt-out their kids but few do. Even the
very few immigrant muslim kids stay in the room though not take part.
Good for integrating to their new home,,,
Mike
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Haluatko lähettää postia? Vaihda osoitteen
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I would like to show you an example of the good manners and courage
taught by the Christian religion. No registration required to read this
article:
http://www.startribune.com/462/story/616807.html
Don't give me that ***** about religion and moral values. The guy
didn't even have the courage to face his day in court.
--
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence
from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum.
Thomas Paine
And to think Jesus was executed by people claiming to represent God.
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18 Aug 2006 08:40:38 PM |
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On 18 Aug 2006 10:12:55 -0700, "morticide" <grvan@netzero.net> wrote:
- Refer: <1155921175.737578.27110@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
Pithecanthropus Erectus wrote:
Mika wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not. Of course parents can opt-out their kids but few do. Even the
very few immigrant muslim kids stay in the room though not take part.
Good for integrating to their new home,,,
Mike
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Haluatko lähettää postia? Vaihda osoitteen
eka (vai oliko se toka?) numero vitonen numeroksi
kahdeksan...
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I would like to show you an example of the good manners and courage
taught by the Christian religion. No registration required to read this
article:
http://www.startribune.com/462/story/616807.html
Don't give me that ***** about religion and moral values. The guy
didn't even have the courage to face his day in court.
--
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence
from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum.
Thomas Paine
And to think Jesus was executed by people claiming to represent God.
There is zero extra-biblical evidence of any such event.
(Or person)
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16 Aug 2006 04:57:06 PM |
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Mika wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so.
Right. Forcing your beliefs on other is good manners. I suppose you'd
approve if the teacher lead a prayer to the Goddess or Allah?
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16 Aug 2006 03:05:17 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:42:16 +0300, Mika <ace3559@sci.fi.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not. Of course parents can opt-out their kids but few do. Even the
very few immigrant muslim kids stay in the room though not take part.
Good for integrating to their new home,,,
Any teacher (or anyone else) who tries to force his religion onto my
kids will be making a trip to the emergency room to have his Bible
surgically removed from his arse.
Mike
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16 Aug 2006 09:18:19 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:42:16 +0300, Mika <ace3559@sci.fi.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as
well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not. Of course parents can opt-out their kids but few do. Even the
very few immigrant muslim kids stay in the room though not take part.
Good for integrating to their new home,,,
Any teacher (or anyone else) who tries to force his religion onto my
kids will be making a trip to the emergency room to have his Bible
surgically removed from his arse.
Ouch! That hurts just reading about it. Talk about someone being 'filled'
with the word of 'God'.
Greywolf
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17 Aug 2006 01:25:21 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:12e7mevrts3g3a0@corp.supernews.com:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
Any teacher (or anyone else) who tries to force his religion onto my
kids will be making a trip to the emergency room to have his Bible
surgically removed from his arse.
Ouch! That hurts just reading about it. Talk about someone being
'filled' with the word of 'God'.
Could be worse. He could have taught from the Torah.
-JAH
And lo, the scrolls were lubricated with K-Y....
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Disturbing event at my daughter's school |
16 Aug 2006 02:19:20 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:42:16 +0300, Mika <ace3559@sci.fi.invalid>
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:15:18 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
The incident you described is pretty bad and revolting. I just wonder how
many public school teachers lead their classes in Christian prayer as well.
Greywolf
Good for them if they do so. That was the norm here in 1970s before
all PC talk Glad to learn that kids still learn to say grace in
kindergaten/pre-school. Good maners and part of our culture, like it
or not. Of course parents can opt-out their kids but few do. Even the
very few immigrant muslim kids stay in the room though not take part.
Good for integrating to their new home,,,
Good manners means not imposing your religion where it is
inappropriate.
The teacher in question should be disciplined so he doesn't do it
again, because what he did was unconstitutional.
I suggest you look up the Philadelphia Bible riots where there was
fighting in the streets after Catholic kids had been punished for not
puttingp with bullying imposition of the Protestant Bible.
Mike
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Disturbing event at my daughter's school |
16 Aug 2006 03:12:28 PM |
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On 16 Aug 2006 10:38:51 -0700, wrote:
hbarwood@troy.edu wrote:
Yesterday my daughter came home disturbed by her American History
teacher. Apparently he took it on himself to try and put down evolution
in class (yes, it had nothing to do with the subject being taught).
Among other things he did was to compare evolution unfavorably with
creationism (with liberal use of "God" comments), but he also stated
that "Lucy" was named while the discoverers were listening to a Beatles
song about drugs (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds) and "smoking
something". He managed to take a truth (named for the song) and turn it
into some kind of a fundamentalist diatribe against Johansen and Gray.
This is not the first time the local school system has gone way beyond
legal regarding religious practices in the classroom. Any one who
thinks we are winning the war against fundamentalists and evangelicals
should come down to south Alabama. It will open your eyes!
It is a lost WAR.
Anywhere other than the God-soaked South, that teacher would be out of
a job.
Yet I am not s fundie or an evangelical
I suppost you're not a nut job either.
HB
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